Bill Introduced To Abolish Electoral College

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BisonVol said:
Of course it would be weird if they had less. They don't, yet you still complain.

Again, if the number of elecorates in each state were directly proportional to the population of that state, every election would be decided by five or six major metropolitan areas. Same as if there were no EC at all. That's what the system is designed to prevent, and that is how it should be.
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A metropolitan area doesn’t vote, individuals do.
 
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newyorkvol said:
It’s mind blowing because that’s a mis-interpretation. Wyoming has 1 elector for their 532000 citizens. It has two others for being a state in the union.
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So again, I ask, why should an arbitrary line on a map drawn by land speculators decide whose vote means more?
 
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OHvol40 said:
So if the system is infallible and just, why wouldn’t the states adopt it. Surely you know there are different populations within each state. Some rural, some urban, some suburban... why would they not do the same?
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That isn’t the point and you keep ignoring my point back to you. Your whole argument revolves around the premise that each citizen’s vote was to count on the national level. That has never been the case and cannot ever occur if the states are equal peers with regards to choosing the two national office positions. What you are pining so badly for has clearly never been intended. And you’re not making a convincing case that it should be adopted now 🤷‍♂️
 
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OHvol40 said:
A metropolitan area doesn’t vote, individuals do.
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Stop being obtuse. You know those cities have vastly more individuals than most cities do. The individuals in those cities would control the rest of the country's individuals in a true popular vote.
 
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OHvol40 said:
So if it’s the best system, why hasn’t it been adopted everywhere in the country where it is utilized?
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I dont think the states are called the "united counties of Georgia" or were formed with their own consitution that way. As hog said they can, but they weren't.

The best option isnt always done. Unless you really think Trump, Biden, and Hilary were actually the best options....omg, do you?
 
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OHvol40 said:
California isn’t a person. The people of California or Idaho or South Carolina should have the right to have their votes count equally. To ignore the inequality in this system of a country that was largely founded on the ideals of equality is thoughtless.
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Well obviously you know more than the founding fathers
 
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BisonVol said:
Stop being obtuse. You know those cities have vastly more individuals than most cities do. The individuals in those cities would control the rest of the country's individuals in a true popular vote.
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I’m not being obtuse, I’m advocating for fairness. It’s fair for a citizen’s vote to count the same as another. That could actually be part of the definition for fairness.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I’m not being obtuse, I’m advocating for fairness. It’s fair for a citizen’s vote to count the same as another. That could actually be part of the definition for fairness.
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So how would you determine a state’s number of representatives or would they all be the same?
 
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newyorkvol said:
It doesn’t. What non-arbitrarily decides where a vote is counted, is where the individual chooses to live.
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So it’s practical to choose where to reside based on an election that happens every 4 years? This should make somebody more of a US citizen?
 
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LouderVol said:
I dont think the states are called the "united counties of Georgia" or were formed with their own consitution that way. As hog said they can, but they weren't.

The best option isnt always done. Unless you really think Trump, Biden, and Hilary were actually the best options....omg, do you?
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If it were the best option don’t you think at least some of the people who advocated for it on a national level would implement it in their own states? I mean, 1 or 2 of the 50 states? If the concept is correct and states can experience the same majority rule problems, why not utilize the same concept?
 
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OHvol40 said:
California isn’t a person. The people of California or Idaho or South Carolina should have the right to have their votes count equally. To ignore the inequality in this system of a country that was largely founded on the ideals of equality is thoughtless.
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And how many times is the word "equality" in the Constitution?

I think maybe you're confusing our founding with de Tocqueville's observations or something. Hurry and Google him.
 
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OHvol40 said:
So it’s practical to choose where to reside based on an election that happens every 4 years? This should make somebody more of a US citizen?
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Should a person who’s voting has ruined their local government be able to move and immediately be able to vote and ruin other local governments?
 
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OHvol40 said:
The problem is we do have a system where people’s choices are handed over to the people they elect, we don’t have any national popular vote referendums on anything... and we all recognize how rife for corruption this system has become. It thrives on it now. That is why it was necessary for a few brave, just people to break up monopolies during the height of the industrial revolution.

Not to mention we are currently in a system where it’s entirely possible that 70% of the senate represents 30% of the population. I would say any objective person can see the flaw in that.
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Only if the Senate was the only branch of the government. It's not even the only house in it's own branch. Senate cant do anything without the house. Various other checks and balances exist to make sure the 30/70 isnt the only consideration.

It's not a fractal argument. One small piece is not representative of the entire system.

And how is a system where the people can vote themselves more privileges not asking to be rife with corruption too? Especially when the two parties run their whole campaign based on promises of the new or better privileges. The corruption has nothing to do with how they are elected. The corruption stems from them having too much power. President, senate, representatives, governors, mayors, politicians in general.

You give a rat two buttons, one stimulates the pleasure center of its brain the other gives it food. The rat will kill itself pressing the pleasure button ignoring the food it needs. Our population isnt any better. Just look at us. We are a divided bunch of fat arses addicted to our phones. And yes I say that as I sit on my fat arse arguing with someone over my phone.

Do you really think average American Joe Blow knows what's good for him, yet alone the nation? Are you really saying the best option is to give over power to the walmart crowd?
 
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GordonC said:
And how many times is the word "equality" in the Constitution?

I think maybe you're confusing our founding with de Tocqueville's observations or something. Hurry and Google him.
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14th Amendment? Go ahead, google it.
 
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LouderVol said:
Only if the Senate was the only branch of the government. It's not even the only house in it's own branch. Senate cant do anything without the house. Various other checks and balances exist to make sure the 30/70 isnt the only consideration.

It's not a fractal argument. One small piece is not representative of the entire system.

And how is a system where the people can vote themselves more privileges not asking to be rife with corruption too? Especially when the two parties run their whole campaign based on promises of the new or better privileges. The corruption has nothing to do with how they are elected. The corruption stems from them having too much power. President, senate, representatives, governors, mayors, politicians in general.

You give a rat two buttons, one stimulates the pleasure center of its brain the other gives it food. The rat will kill itself pressing the pleasure button ignoring the food it needs. Our population isnt any better. Just look at us. We are a divided bunch of fat arses addicted to our phones. And yes I say that as I sit on my fat arse arguing with someone over my phone.

Do you really think average American Joe Blow knows what's good for him, yet alone the nation? Are you really saying the best option is to give over power to the walmart crowd?
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Winner
 
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C-south said:
Should a person who’s voting has ruined their local government be able to move and immediately be able to vote and ruin other local governments?
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If they are a US citizen they have as much of a right to be wrong as you.
 
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C-south said:
Each state has representatives based on population. Is it fair for less populated states to have a lesser voice than more populated states?
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Hell, just throw out the Senate, too.
Might as well, I guess, if we listen to some of these people.
 
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OHvol40 said:
So it’s practical to choose where to reside based on an election that happens every 4 years? This should make somebody more of a US citizen?
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Seriously?? You think that changing geographical boundaries or changing a system that has been in place for 250 years, is somehow more practical??
 
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