Black jerseys to be auctioned (merged)

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VolDaddy61 said:
Only if you don't think all lives matter.

Hang on a sec while I pull up my white on white crime statistics.
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No, not all lives matter. I have no issues stating that I believe some lives don't matter for example child molesters, mass murderers, terrorists, etc.

FYI, 90% of blacks murdered are killed by other blacks.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
No, not all lives matter. I have no issues stating that I believe some lives don't matter for example child molesters, mass murderers, terrorists, etc.

FYI, 90% of blacks murdered are killed by other blacks.
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Well if we were going to make donations to the child molesters/mass murderers/terrorists of America, I could better understand the criticism
 
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I think the issue with this thread is that people are having a hard time distinguishing between BLM as a group vs BLM too. Seems to me that's causing confusion for some. I'll move along now.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I would argue that this is a fair point if the school was donating tax payer dollars or funds received from concessions, ticket sales, merchandise, etc. to the charitable organizations since that would then be directly repurposing customers money. However, this money will be raised voluntarily. Don't buy a jersey if you don't want to support the cause. It's that simple.

And since you want to phrase it so aggressively, as I have said, multiple times, it's one thing to question whether or not the Black Lives Matter organization is a reputable or worthy organization, but I see little reason to get upset about non-BLM charities that just so happen to support African Americans. Would you be getting this upset if they auctioned off the game-worn jerseys to support Type 1 Diabetics and donated to JDRF? How about if the jerseys were auctioned off and the funds went to breast cancer?
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I'm not upset. I don't want the team doing any of this crap. What makes JDRF more important than a juvenile leukemia research fund, or St. Jude? What makes breast cancer more of an issue than testicular cancer? Why is an organization geared towards black people more valuable than one geared towards supporting poor kids in places like Grainger County, or Claiborne County, or any other 'white' county where I'd argue there are issues just as bad as in black communities (i.e., meth)? Picking and choosing 'issues' to support puts the organization in a stance, period. It's just not necessary.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'm not upset. I don't want the team doing any of this crap. What makes JDRF more important than a juvenile leukemia research fund, or St. Jude? What makes breast cancer more of an issue than testicular cancer? Why is an organization geared towards black people more valuable than one geared towards supporting poor kids in places like Grainger County, or Claiborne County, or any other 'white' county where I'd argue there are issues just as bad as in black communities (i.e., meth)? Picking and choosing 'issues' to support puts the organization in a stance, period. It's just not necessary.
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If you make a donation to say cancer research, you’re not saying you don’t care about AIDS research, or even that you care about cancer research more. Just that cancer research needs donations and you’re obliging. The school helping a group that most of its athletes are a part of isn’t them saying “Screw every other group”
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'm not upset. I don't want the team doing any of this crap. What makes JDRF more important than a juvenile leukemia research fund, or St. Jude? What makes breast cancer more of an issue than testicular cancer? Why is an organization geared towards black people more valuable than one geared towards supporting poor kids in places like Grainger County, or Claiborne County, or any other 'white' county where I'd argue there are issues just as bad as in black communities (i.e., meth)? Picking and choosing 'issues' to support puts the organization in a stance, period. It's just not necessary.
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Literally no one is saying one charity is more valuable than another charity. I would be all for doing this more often. Sports can be an escapism, but it can also be a force for change. Both can exist. I say auction off more student-athlete gear and donate to all of those exact charities you just listed. It's for charity! You can never donate too much money to charity. They're all worthy causes.
 
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k-town_king said:
There is goes. The thread has now went full tin hat crazy.
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Have you ever researched this guy ? I've been researching him and others for over 10 years ..At least look him up ..Of course don't listen to one source look different places. Albert Pike ,take a look at him too..Alice Bailey and the list goes on.
 
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If this is such a heroic thing to do then why not change the uniforms for the entire season and auction the jerseys after every game and give the money to radical causes? That would produce a lot more money, not just one game. Is this just a token effort on Pruitt’s part?
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'm not upset. I don't want the team doing any of this crap. What makes JDRF more important than a juvenile leukemia research fund, or St. Jude? What makes breast cancer more of an issue than testicular cancer? Why is an organization geared towards black people more valuable than one geared towards supporting poor kids in places like Grainger County, or Claiborne County, or any other 'white' county where I'd argue there are issues just as bad as in black communities (i.e., meth)? Picking and choosing 'issues' to support puts the organization in a stance, period. It's just not necessary.
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Oh I’m sure you were so riled up and posting about how you wish UT didn’t do any of this or “WHAT ABOUT OTHER DISEASES” when they started the “We Back Pat” campaign.
 
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VFL49er said:
If you make a donation to say cancer research, you’re not saying you don’t care about AIDS research, or even that you care about cancer research more. Just that cancer research needs donations and you’re obliging. The school helping a group that most of its athletes are a part of isn’t them saying “Screw every other group”
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I'm not arguing that if I- me, ButchPlz- make a donation that I don't care about those other groups. I have concerns that arguably the most visible part of a state school- a diverse collection of people supported by taxpayers- has decided to, in high profile, support a cause when the record of it doing so is nearly nonexistent. I care that the football team is taking a side in a charged issue that requires nuance and discussion and instead of providing an outlet for people to get away and make peace with each other, they're very visibly undertaking a cheesy gimmick probably for recruits.
 
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zjcvols said:
Oh I’m sure you were so riled up and posting about how you wish UT didn’t do any of this or “WHAT ABOUT OTHER DISEASES” when they started the “We Back Pat” campaign.
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I'm not riled up about it, and I don't even think I posted about 'We Back Pat!' before. I'm fairly strong in not being a huge fan of any of these things because it's usually silly pandering. Same as camo uniforms for 'military appreciation', same as the NFL's pink crap. It's inauthentic, non-genuine sales that accomplishes about nothing.
 
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onevol74 said:
If this is such a heroic thing to do then why not change the uniforms for the entire season and auction the jerseys after every game and give the money to radical causes? That would produce a lot more money, not just one game. Is this just a token effort on Pruitt’s part?
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I am actually trying to understand your logic here. You disagree with the decision in general because it sends the wrong message. Yet at the same time you disagree with it because it does not do enough to send the correct message. Ingenious!
 
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Pruitt: Vols could wear black jerseys to support BLM via Sports News

Here's the full article. It is part of the player's idea. He is allowing them to voice the change they want to see happen and then following up based on their feedback. I'm sure that no rules will be broken.

However, I do see it as positive that they're teaching these young men to think, express ideas, and then enact change in appropriate ways. I think it says a lot about Pruitt that he isnt just showing up at a rally to gain points, but really wants to hear their voice and do things to promote change that his players want to see.

Personally, i think it will be awesome. Hopefully some great ideas come from these young men so that they can use this awesome platform they have to promote change in an area that is much needed.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'm not arguing that if I- me, ButchPlz- make a donation that I don't care about those other groups. I have concerns that arguably the most visible part of a state school- a diverse collection of people supported by taxpayers- has decided to, in high profile, support a cause when the record of it doing so is nearly nonexistent. I care that the football team is taking a side in a charged issue that requires nuance and discussion and instead of providing an outlet for people to get away and make peace with each other, they're very visibly undertaking a cheesy gimmick probably for recruits.
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I'll humor you. If this is just a "cheesy gimmick probably for recruits" and you just want to watch Tennessee play football and win games, then hey everyone wins. The student athletes gets to support a cause they feel passionate about and you get to watch a better product on the field that leads to SEC championships.
 
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RobertPellitt said:
I am actually trying to understand your logic here. You disagree with the decision in general because it sends the wrong message. Yet at the same time you disagree with it because it does not do enough to send the correct message. Ingenious!
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No, I can easily see why you might not understand. The point is pretty consistent.
If he believes in something then go big with it not just some token action
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'm not riled up about it, and I don't even think I posted about 'We Back Pat!' before. I'm fairly strong in not being a huge fan of any of these things because it's usually silly pandering. Same as camo uniforms for 'military appreciation', same as the NFL's pink crap. It's inauthentic, non-genuine sales that accomplishes about nothing.
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And that’s the point. You weren’t making these posts talking about “inauthentic, non-genuine silly pandering” when Tennessee started “We Back Pat” or when they wore pink jerseys to support Kay Yow’s foundation or when Tennessee sold shirts to support cancer foundation or Cuonzo wearing that same shirt during the game. But now Tennessee is wanting to do something for the black community and bring awareness and now it’s a problem. Now it’s all silly pandering 🧐🧐
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'm not arguing that if I- me, ButchPlz- make a donation that I don't care about those other groups. I have concerns that arguably the most visible part of a state school- a diverse collection of people supported by taxpayers- has decided to, in high profile, support a cause when the record of it doing so is nearly nonexistent. I care that the football team is taking a side in a charged issue that requires nuance and discussion and instead of providing an outlet for people to get away and make peace with each other, they're very visibly undertaking a cheesy gimmick probably for recruits.
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But I disagree with the premise that the school has a nonexistent record of supporting other causes. Look through this very thread for examples of other causes the school has supported
 
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