Bobby Johnson resigning from Vandy..

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Biddle, who may be the only one worse than Hyams, was on Bham radio saying CBJ knew he was doing this months ago and only waited so long so that Caldwell could take over as coach. Its supposedly in Calwell's contract that he is to be named Interim HC if Bobby ever retired. I understand loyalty to your assistants but if true its just wrong.
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That seems to be the story that is shaping up. The timing puts Williams in the position of having to give Caldwell and the rest of the staff a shot for the 2010 season.
 
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They have no AD to coordinate a search. No big name coach is going there. Maybe coach MacIntyre's son Mike, who played at VU for a couple of years and now is an assistant at Duke, would consider the job? Otherwise, I am unaware of any alumni of thiers who might step up to bail them out. The Dores are stuck with Johnson's staff for the season and Williams knows it.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
They have no AD to coordinate a search. No big name coach is going there. Maybe coach MacIntyre's son Mike, who played at VU for a couple of years and now is an assistant at Duke, would consider the job? Otherwise, I am unaware of any alumni of thiers who might step up to bail them out. The Dores are stuck with Johnson's staff for the season and Williams knows it.
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They're definitely stuck with their salaries for another 12 months. Johnson's timing ensures that much.

And no significant upgrade will consider taking the job 3 weeks before fall practice. 2010's a throw away season for Vandy.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Compared to what? His overall record isn't any better than DiNardo's was.
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We ARE talking about Vanderbilt here! It a tough job. With their lack of a winning history, high academic standards, sub-par facilities and add in the fact that they play in the SEC. He was only the third guy to be there for eight years. The talent level is higher there than it has been in years. He is tied for fourth most wins in Vanderbilt football history. They broke a 22 game losing streak to Tennessee. They had their first winning season since 1982. They won their first bowl game since the 1955 Gator Bowl. I think he did a great job there.
 
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I generally agree... Johnson is the first Vandy coach to beat Tennessee and Georgia since Art Guepe, and Vandy's 42 points in the swamp in '05 is the most points anybody has put on the board in Gainesville in the last 40 years.

Given the fact that it's pretty much a hopeless job and the best anybody could ever hope to accomplish is the occasional season finishing a few games above .500, I'd say he did a damned good job there. They ought to consider building a statue or naming the field after him.
 
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no one with that record, no matter who he beat or where he played, should be considered a good coach. it's not as though he only lost to the SEC opponents (see below). and it's a proven fact you can attract good players to top academic schools. maybe not enough players to win the sec, but certainly enough to break .400.

Johnson has lost to the following teams:

Middle Tennesse State (twice)
Duke
Wake Forest
Army
Georgia Tech (when they sucked)
Navy (twice)
Rutgers
MSU (1-3) - yes i know they are in the sec
 
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ihateflorida said:
I missed the part where he said he gave his all and is leaving Vandy better off than they were before he got there.. Thats how it works, right?
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Not necessarily. Fulmer would say the same thing in all likelihood and that clearly wasn't the case with his regime.
 
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SycloneJoe said:
We ARE talking about Vanderbilt here! It a tough job. With their lack of a winning history, high academic standards, sub-par facilities and add in the fact that they play in the SEC. He was only the third guy to be there for eight years. The talent level is higher there than it has been in years. He is tied for fourth most wins in Vanderbilt football history. They broke a 22 game losing streak to Tennessee. They had their first winning season since 1982. They won their first bowl game since the 1955 Gator Bowl. I think he did a great job there.
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His win over Tennessee was in 2005. Everybody beat Tennessee in 2005. Big deal.

He may have been the first coach since 82 to have a winning season, but he's also the only coach in Vandy history to have 12 regular season games (an extra non-conference cupcake) per season to reach six wins.

DiNardo went 5-6. Widenhofer went 5-6. If given an extra Rice, Miami (OH), or Duke, I'm sure they could've managed a historic 6-6 season at Vandy too.

He's nothing special.
 
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droski said:
no one with that record, no matter who he beat or where he played, should be considered a good coach. it's not as though he only lost to the SEC opponents (see below). and it's a proven fact you can attract good players to top academic schools. maybe not enough players to win the sec, but certainly enough to break .400.

Johnson has lost to the following teams:

Middle Tennesse State (twice)
Duke
Wake Forest
Army
Georgia Tech (when they sucked)
Navy (twice)
Rutgers
MSU (1-3) - yes i know they are in the sec
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They also lost to Army last year as well.:mf_surrender:
 
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26 of his 66 losses were by 7 points or fewer. I know I'm grasping at straws, but for a coach at Vandy, he wasn't all that bad.



droski said:
no one with that record, no matter who he beat or where he played, should be considered a good coach. it's not as though he only lost to the SEC opponents (see below). and it's a proven fact you can attract good players to top academic schools. maybe not enough players to win the sec, but certainly enough to break .400.

Johnson has lost to the following teams:

Middle Tennesse State (twice)
Duke
Wake Forest
Army
Georgia Tech (when they sucked)
Navy (twice)
Rutgers
MSU (1-3) - yes i know they are in the sec
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They did lose some flukey games under Bobby, 06 they had Arkansas and it seemed like the wind picked up just enough to push a last second field goal short.

I will say he is the best coach they have had since i've been keeping up with CFB
 
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droski said:
no one with that record, no matter who he beat or where he played, should be considered a good coach. it's not as though he only lost to the SEC opponents (see below). and it's a proven fact you can attract good players to top academic schools. maybe not enough players to win the sec, but certainly enough to break .400.

Johnson has lost to the following teams:

Middle Tennesse State (twice)
Duke
Wake Forest
Army
Georgia Tech (when they sucked)
Navy (twice)
Rutgers
MSU (1-3) - yes i know they are in the sec
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Ditto to all this.

I just laugh at anyone who thinks he was anything special. Good for Vandy coach? Yeah I guess, that's not saying a lot and I still say DiNardo was better than Johnson was.

Sure they beat UT, in a year where pretty much everyone beat UT, and couldn't even do it in 2008 when they had their best team in forever and UT was even worse than 2005.

And these list of losses show that Johnson was no different than most of the other Vandy coaches. Vandy has always had a reputation of losing to teams that even they should beat and Johnson didn't really change that. I mean the last MTSU game they came into the game 4-0 and MTSU was 0-4 and they STILL couldn't beat them. That season they almost ended with 7 straight losses, and it was saved only by beating UT. Had Vandy not beaten UT Johnson likely would have been fired after the 2006 season.

For crying out loud their "best" season in 2008 they should have been 9-3 instead of 6-6. They lost to freakin Duke at home, a horrible Miss St. team on the road and couldn't beat UT at their house that year in a year where UT lost to Wyoming.

Johnson was nothing special, even by Vandy standards. Yeah he got to a bowl; in this day that's hardly an accomplishment.
 
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PowerT83 said:
They did lose some flukey games under Bobby, 06 they had Arkansas and it seemed like the wind picked up just enough to push a last second field goal short.
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Yeah but Vandy history is rife with I guess you'd call "bad luck". Johnson can't really blame that, as Watson Brown, Woody Woodpecker, and DiNardo all had the same things happen to them numerous times too. Plus a LOT of their "bad luck" was a result of bad decisions earlier in the game.

And another thing, Johnson proved over and over he was a horrible game day manager. Even last year he showed he had horrible clock management skills. I remember in one of his earlier seasons they actually had to take a timeout after the initial kickoff.
 
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The point is you can't pull the inherent disadvantage/academic card if you are regularly losing to the service academies
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droski said:
The point is you can't pull the inherent disadvantage/academic card if you are regularly losing to the service academies
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how about if you don't really spend money on your athletic teams at all, have no athletic director, and your athletics fall under i think it's student services?

it's not so much that they're "oh we're a smart school, we won't do well" it's more that they go "we don't care about how we do in football; we don't put money or effort into it, and that shows....but we want that SEC conference money for our institution"
 
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sjrobert said:
Dinardo upset a couple of top 25 teams while at Vandy, compared to Johnson getting one of the 100 bowl bids now available, so I guess that argument is unresolvable.
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the only argument i'd have with the whole discussion about the bowls thing now is that - while there have been alot of bowls added this decade - they've only been to 4 bowls in their entire history.

Before that one in 2008, the last bowl they made was in 1982. And the last bowl game they had won was in 1955
 
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TrueOrange said:
it's not so much that they're "oh we're a smart school, we won't do well" it's more that they go "we don't care about how we do in sports; we don't put money or effort into it, and that shows....but we want that SEC conference money for our institution"
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While this may have some merit when discussing football, the validity ends there. Vandy is consistently competitive in basketball and baseball, golf and tennis have had their moments, and their women's sports are fairly strong.
 
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cotton said:
While this may have some merit when discussing football, the validity ends there. Vandy is consistently competitive in basketball and baseball, golf and tennis have had their moments, and their women's sports are fairly strong.
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what we are discussing is football here. I didn't think my post implied anything different. I was talking about their treatment of their football program and its past history.

perhaps my generic summary quote was a bit too generalized and misworded

edit: i see; i used sports as kind of a non-serious (not quite sarcastic) referral to the football program in this case (which we are discussing) but i didn't make it as well as i thought i did. can see the different meaning it causes
 
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TrueOrange said:
what we are discussing is football here. I didn't think my post implied anything different. I was talking about their treatment of their football program and its past history.

perhaps my generic summary quote was a bit too generalized and misworded

edit: i see; i used sports as kind of a non-serious (not quite sarcastic) referral to the football program in this case (which we are discussing) but i didn't make it as well as i thought i did. can see the different meaning it causes
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No worries; I just didn't want the discussion to blossom into "Vandy sucks at sports." They don't. They suck at football. They are fairly decent at other sports.
 
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cotton said:
While this may have some merit when discussing football, the validity ends there. Vandy is consistently competitive in basketball and baseball, golf and tennis have had their moments, and their women's sports are fairly strong.
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Football is what brings the money in - not other sports. In addition to that, one can argue that Vandy is average in Bball and baseball.
 
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