Bonehead play call

#76
#76
Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 10, 2004 8:50 AM
I think it's just a matter of keeping everyone focused. Of course you play for a Nat'l title every year, but a lot of times due to the sheer number of teams, inequity of the polls, luck, etc., getting into the BCS championship game involves things that are beyond your control. (See USC last year.)

The SEC on the other hand is right in front of you every year and you always know exactly what you need to do to win it. It makes sense to play for the SEC and let the chips fall where they may for everything else.
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As long as we agree, as Tennessee fans, we play for the top prize every year, the NC. When we start playing for 2nd or 3rd our program will be in a downward spiral, as some say. Keep the bar high.
 
#77
#77
Originally posted by Z06Vol+Nov 10, 2004 9:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Z06Vol @ Nov 10, 2004 9:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-GAVol@Nov 10, 2004 8:50 AM
I think it&#39;s just a matter of keeping everyone focused.  Of course you play for a Nat&#39;l title every year, but a lot of times due to the sheer number of teams, inequity of the polls, luck, etc., getting into the BCS championship game involves things that are beyond your control.  (See USC last year.) 

The SEC on the other hand is right in front of you every year and you always know exactly what you need to do to win it.  It makes sense to play for the SEC and let the chips fall where they may for everything else.
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As long as we agree, as Tennessee fans, we play for the top prize every year, the NC. When we start playing for 2nd or 3rd our program will be in a downward spiral, as some say. Keep the bar high. [/quote]
I think we were competing this year until last weekend. We were in a good position, and were on our way, with many freshmen contributing... don&#39;t count us out of the picture for at least the next 3 years.
 
#78
#78
Originally posted by Z06Vol@Nov 10, 2004 8:42 AM
OrangeCrush18 you ok with average? I&#39;m not&#33;
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Average is playing .500 football, finishing in the middle of the pack in your conference and occasionally having a losing season.

THE VOLS ARE NOT AVERAGE&#33;

The Vols are in contention for the SEC Championship EVERY YEAR&#33; The Vols have finished in the top 10 in the BCS 4 of its 6 years of existance. Late season losses in 1999 (Arkansas) and 2001 (LSU) kept the Vols out of the BCSCG.

Fulmer&#39;s .800+ winning pct is awesome&#33;

If you want perfection.... you ain&#39;t gonna find it... IN ANY PROGRAM&#33;

I&#39;m tired of all the complaining.

The Vols are 7-2 with a freshman quarterback... 4 of 5 starting offensive linemen on the injury list... 2 freshman cornerbacks.... Antwan Stewart out... James Banks out... Shaeffer out... Ainge out.... Tinsley out.... AND STILL IN CONTENTION FOR AN SEC CHAMPIONSHIP.

If the freakin&#39; NCAA would have PLAYOFF, then the Vols would still be in contention for the national championship... just as they would have for 4 of the last 6 seasons in a playoff format.

 
#79
#79
When people call us average, someone should compile a list of wins/losses/championships over the last 5 and 10 year periods that compare Tennessee to the other programs in the nation. There aren&#39;t many other programs that are much ahead of us.

Admirable programs would be:

Oklahoma who has been dominant the last 5 years but not the last 10.
Miami also has been dominant the last 5 years but not the last 10.
FSU is decent in the last 10 years with the last 5 being not as good.
Georgia has really only come around the last couple of years.
LSU had a good run when Saban first started but now they see what it&#39;s like to try and defend a National Championship.
Florida- Zook (enough said)
USC - has had a good run for the last 3 years, but can they sustain it.

Tennessee also has a lot of young talent. So tell me this..How many teams would you have rather been in the last 10 years? The last 5? How about moving forward?

Or if you are one who doesn&#39;t like Fulmer...give me the names of your top three replacements. I guarantee you can&#39;t give one name with Fulmer&#39;s record that also has the ability to recruit outside the state.
 
#80
#80
You guys aren&#39;t getting my point. Our offense has been average since Sanders has been running the show and this guy has all the talent in the world&#33; How many schools would like to have the talent we get each year? How do you think Utah&#39;s coach would run our offense? And winning the SEC is great but the national title game is the one that counts. If you&#39;re content with SECC, that&#39;s fine. I&#39;m not. If we don&#39;t get the NC, we&#39;ll contend the following year. Not many schools can say this but I never say at the beginning of the year all I want is a SECC title.

I live in SC and all I hear from Clemson and USC fans is getting a good bowl. As a Tennessee fan, "a good bowl" isn&#39;t enough....we play for the NC. That&#39;s what separates us from most of the other programs in the nation and why we are a Big Time college football program.

Also when I say average, I guess I look at it differently. Not in the numbers but how we finish the season. Yeah, we are always in the top 20. That&#39;s success...yes. But we finish in the top 20 every year. So, I look at the competition amongst our piers (which would be the top 20). We have finished in middle to lower middle of the top 20 poll in the past few yeas, which would be average. :thumbsup:

PS IF any of you are tired of the complaining ( you know who you are) then skip the thread titled Bonehead Play Call. You&#39;re gonna get some complaining&#33; Nothing says you have read it, especially if your complaining about the complaining&#33; :bash:
 
#81
#81
Originally posted by TitanVol@Nov 10, 2004 12:38 PM
Or if you are one who doesn&#39;t like Fulmer...give me the names of your top three replacements. I guarantee you can&#39;t give one name with Fulmer&#39;s record that also has the ability to recruit outside the state.
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No problem with CPF except his decision to keep RS. Shall I name a few offensive coordinators that I think could do a better job?
 
#82
#82
Originally posted by Z06Vol+Nov 10, 2004 2:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Z06Vol @ Nov 10, 2004 2:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TitanVol@Nov 10, 2004 12:38 PM
Or if you are one who doesn&#39;t like Fulmer...give me the names of your top three replacements. I guarantee you can&#39;t give one name with Fulmer&#39;s record that also has the ability to recruit outside the state.
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No problem with CPF except his decision to keep RS. Shall I name a few offensive coordinators that I think could do a better job? [/quote]
No I am sure we all could name a few offensive coordinators who we think will do a good job. The problem is that Fulmer makes those decisions and he will never hire a high profile coordinator. He still likes to have too much of a hand in the offense. Not to mention he would feel his job was threatened if he hired someone who came in here and put up huge offensive numbers for a couple of years. Remember Majors?

I will give you this: of the handful (5-10) of top programs in the nation we are about average. Probably not the top 1 or 2 but somewhere in the middle.
 
#83
#83
Originally posted by Z06Vol@Nov 10, 2004 2:16 PM
PS IF any of you are tired of the complaining ( you know who you are) then skip the thread titled Bonehead Play Call. You&#39;re gonna get some complaining&#33; Nothing says you have read it, especially if your complaining about the complaining&#33; :bash:
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:blink: You didn&#39;t know that I&#39;m required to read every word in every post? :yikes:

Even if I don&#39;t read the posts.... there will still be complaining.... and I will still be weary of the complaints.

I don&#39;t recall me complaining, just stating my feelings that these baseless complaints are growing old.

I believe my facts speak louder than the baseless complaints. 4 of 6 years in the BCS top 10 is not "average".

And if all you care about is national championships... then you don&#39;t watch the "other" bowl games... which means that you don&#39;t care about losses in the Peach Bowl... which in turn drops a top 10 team into "your" average category.

I like competing for National Championships... I really do.... however, I&#39;m grounded in reality... which means that the Vols will not be playing IN the national championship game EVERY year. What I look for a season to be successful, is to be in the National Title hunt as late into the season as possible.

A November loss to Arkansas kept the Vols from being BCS #2 in 1999. A December loss to LSU in the SECCG kept the Vols from being BCS #2 in 2001. Early season losses to Auburn and Georgia in 2003 kept the Vols from climbing higher than 8th in the BCS. The tie-breaker kept them out of the SECCG. Michigan finished 4th in the BCS with the same record. A November loss to Notre Dame this season knocked the Vols from any scenario that might have put them in the NC game.
 
#84
#84
Since the inception of the BCS, here are the number of times each team has finished in the top 10 of the standings:

Kansas State 5
Tennessee 4
Florida St 4
Miami 4
Florida 4
Ohio State 3
Texas 3
Nebraska 3
Oklahoma 3
Southern Cal 2
Oregon 2
Wisconsin 2
Michigan 2
Virginia Tech 2
Iowa 1
Colorado 1
Alabama 1
Michigan State 1
Arizona 1
Illinois 1
LSU 1
Maryland 1
Georgia 1
UCLA 1
Tulane 1
Notre Dame 1
Oregon State 1
Stanford 1
Washington 1
Washington State 1
Texas A&M 1
 
#85
#85
Originally posted by allvol@Nov 10, 2004 3:07 PM
Since the inception of the BCS, here are the number of times each team has finished in the top 10 of the standings:

Kansas State 5
Tennessee 4
Florida St 4
Miami 4
Florida 4
Ohio State 3
Texas 3
Nebraska 3
Oklahoma 3
Southern Cal 2
Oregon 2
Wisconsin 2
Michigan 2
Virginia Tech 2
Iowa 1
Colorado 1
Kansas St 1
Michigan State 1
Arizona 1
Illinois 1
LSU 1
Maryland 1
Georgia 1
UCLA 1
Tulane 1
Notre Dame 1
Oregon State 1
Stanford 1
Washington 1
Washington State 1
Texas A&M 1
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Wow, and what does KState have to show for those 5 top 10&#39;s?
 
#88
#88
Originally posted by TitanVol@Nov 10, 2004 3:17 PM
Wow, and what does KState have to show for those 5 top 10&#39;s?
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They finished 10 last year after beating Oklahoma and winning the Big XII Championship and getting the automatic berth in a BCS bowl. The year they did not make into the top 25 at all was 2001, when they finished 6-6. They are currently 4-5 this season and won&#39;t make the BCS top 10. However, the 7-2 Vols still have a pretty good chance of finishing in the BCS top 10 for the 5th time, tying K State. Florida State and Miami also have a chance to finish in the top 10 for the 5th time.
 
#89
#89
Allvol, in the past two years, I had about as much interest in the Peach Bowl as the players did. I never said I would not watch them, I watch every Tennessee game that I can.

Yes, I do care about our losses in the Peach Bowls. I witnessed a very average offense with a very average offensive coach. Some would even say a below average offense with a below average offensive coach. :p
 
#90
#90
Originally posted by volmanjr@Nov 10, 2004 3:25 PM
Kstate shows up twice on your list?
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Sorry, a little error in the spreadsheet, that should be Alabama&#39;s lone trip into the BCS top 10. The rest is correct.
 
#91
#91
wee all mak misteaks juste looke at evry udder wun of meye poasts&#33;

whear is LIO win u nead hier?
 
#92
#92
Rank Teams Year
4 Alabama 1999
7 Arizona 1998
3 Colorado 2001
8 Florida 1998
10 Florida 1999
7 Florida 2000
5 Florida 2001
2 Florida St 1998
1 Florida St 1999
2 Florida St 2000
7 Florida St 2003
3 Georgia 2002
8 Illinois 2001
5 Iowa 2002
3 Kansas St 1998
6 Kansas St 1999
9 Kansas St 2000
8 Kansas St 2002
10 Kansas St 2003
2 LSU 2003
10 Maryland 2001
3 Miami-Florida 2000
1 Miami-Florida 2001
1 Miami-Florida 2002
9 Miami-Florida 2003
8 Michigan 1999
4 Michigan 2003
9 Michigan St 1999
3 Nebraska 1999
8 Nebraska 2000
2 Nebraska 2001
9 Notre Dame 2002
4 Ohio State 1998
2 Ohio State 2002
5 Ohio State 2003
1 Oklahoma 2000
7 Oklahoma 2002
1 Oklahoma 2003
10 Oregon 2000
4 Oregon 2001
6 Oregon St 2000
4 Southern Cal 2002
3 Southern Cal 2003
9 Stanford 2001
1 Tennessee 1998
5 Tennessee 1999
6 Tennessee 2001
8 Tennessee 2003
7 Texas 2001
10 Texas 2002
6 Texas 2003
6 Texas A&M 1998
10 Tulane 1998
5 UCLA 1998
2 Virginia Tech 1999
5 Virginia Tech 2000
4 Washington 2000
6 Washington St 2002
9 Wisconsin 1998
7 Wisconsin 1999
 
#93
#93
NCAA (BCS) Champions:

1998 Tennessee (SEC)
1999 Florida State (ACC)
2000 Oklahoma (Big XII)
2001 Miami (Big East)
2002 Ohio State (Big Ten)
2003 LSU (SEC)

No repeats as of yet. The SEC is the only conference with 2.
 
#94
#94
Originally posted by Z06Vol@Nov 10, 2004 9:42 AM
Also, I&#39;d rather have a National Championship, SECC is just secondary. CPF always says he&#39;s playing for the SECC but we all know it the NC he&#39;s after, and it should be. It&#39;s the same with any sport. For instance.....I&#39;m a Denver Bronco fan, I expect them to contend for the SB not just the division. OrangeCrush18 you ok with average? I&#39;m not&#33;
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I know you guys already covered this but we are not average. We contend every year, even with young players all over the field. I just don&#39;t see the point of always being down on the coachs when they are doing a fine job. We are one play away from being 8-1 and maybe a top 5 team.

 
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