Boycott Organic Food?

[n_huffhines]

I feel like copying those pretentious a-holes who say "we only eat organic" and adopting a "I don't eat organic" policy. See how "moral" high-ground feels.

1. I don't want to fatten the pockets of these big businesses that lobby congress for subsidies
2. They use natural pesticides which might be more harmful than synthetic pesticides. There is no scientific support that organic food is safer.
3. Half of our organic food comes from China and we have no way of knowing which items come from China, and if they meet our standards (also this defeats the "support your local farmer" argument).
4. Organic fertilizer is more likely to give you E Coli
5. Organic growing requires more land, therefore it's less environmentally friendly.
6. It's much more expensive
7. If the world went "organic" it's estimated that 2 billion people would starve
8. Non-organic food tastes better.

I knew this stuff was a scam, but I had to find out more because a friend recently sent a letter to the editor demanding that we tax "bad" food and subsidize "good" food (specifically organic). It's an incredibly backwards policy, and that's ignoring how harmful it would be economically. I think I am going to boycott.

 

[KiffinKiller]

I was under the impression much of our food came from mexico.

 

[n_huffhines]

I was under the impression much of our food came from mexico.

It's possible. Did I say something contrary?

 

[KiffinKiller]

I didn't know we got most of it from China - if that's indeed the case.

 

[arTfuldodger]

It's not a status-issue, it's a health issue. Keep eating genetically modified food if you wish......There is good EColi, and bad EColi.......an example of a natural pesticide is a Cayenne/water solution, real harmful.......we eat by far the most processed food, here in America, do you think its a coincidence that we raise the bar for heart-disease/ obesity/ diabetes/ hBP and so on?
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[n_huffhines]

I didn't know we got most of it from China - if that's indeed the case.

20% of our organic food.

 

[n_huffhines]

It's not a status-issue, it's a health issue. Keep eating genetically modified food if you wish......There is good EColi, and bad EColi.......an example of a natural pesticide is a Cayenne/water solution, real harmful.......we eat by far the most processed food, here in America, do you think its a coincidence that we raise the bar for heart-disease/ obesity/ diabetes/ hBP and so on?
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You can get all that from organic food. Organic eggs have just as much cholesterol.

I'll say again...there is no scientific support that organic food is safer or more nutritional.

 

[KiffinKiller]

You can get all that from organic food. Organic eggs have just as much cholesterol.

I'll say again...there is no scientific support that organic food is safer or more nutritional.

I'm very interested to see the counter-argument. If true - I guess I was brainwashed into thinking preservatives were terrible for you.

 

[tri_vol]

I feel like copying those pretentious a-holes who say "we only eat organic" and adopting a "I don't eat organic" policy. See how "moral" high-ground feels.

1. I don't want to fatten the pockets of these big businesses that lobby congress for subsidies
2. They use natural pesticides which might be more harmful than synthetic pesticides. There is no scientific support that organic food is safer.
3. Half of our organic food comes from China and we have no way of knowing which items come from China, and if they meet our standards (also this defeats the "support your local farmer" argument).
4. Organic fertilizer is more likely to give you E Coli
5. Organic growing requires more land, therefore it's less environmentally friendly.
6. It's much more expensive
7. If the world went "organic" it's estimated that 2 billion people would starve
8. Non-organic food tastes better.

I knew this stuff was a scam, but I had to find out more because a friend recently sent a letter to the editor demanding that we tax "bad" food and subsidize "good" food (specifically organic). It's an incredibly backwards policy, and that's ignoring how harmful it would be economically. I think I am going to boycott.

1. I'm sure only organic farmers lobby congress

2. I will take my chances with something natural versus synthetic anyday.

3. Buy from your local farmers market.

4. Link for the proof on that.

5. Good point. We could use that land for another walmart.

6. Anything that is better quality is going to cost more.

7. People having adequate food has nothing to do with food production. It is more of a result of political and economic climates

8. simply not true. Anybody who had lived on a farm can tell you that fresh eggs and vegetables from grandmas garden are the best.
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[BigPapaVol]

tri,

I don't understand the Farmers Market or the better quality arguments. Farmers Market is full of guys who don't grow organic foods and the quality debate is exactly the point of the OP.

 

[Muschump]

Is there a source for any/all of the OP?

tri,

I don't understand the Farmers Market or the better quality arguments. Farmers Market is full of guys who don't grow organic foods and the quality debate is exactly the point of the OP.

Don't know/care about organic, but quality at the Farmers Market is much better when put up against Kroger or WalMart, etc.

 

[arTfuldodger]

tri,

I don't understand the Farmers Market or the better quality arguments. Farmers Market is full of guys who don't grow organic foods and the quality debate is exactly the point of the OP.

That depends on what farmers market your talking about. Franklin TN has 2 organic guys for every 1 traditional.
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[KiffinKiller]

Is part of the organic argument treatment of animals? My cousin is vegan and talks about the chicken farms all the time.

 

[tri_vol]

tri,

I don't understand the Farmers Market or the better quality arguments. Farmers Market is full of guys who don't grow organic foods and the quality debate is exactly the point of the OP.

the Organic label is a bit of a crock sometimes. Its the governments attempt at categorizing everything. So like everything the govt does there is good and bad. Anything can be labeled "all natural" at least the Organic tag means it met certain criteria.

To be certified organic a farmer has to pay thousands. Many local farmers can't afford that so they can't sell organic food. However many of them will tell you what they use and a consumer can make an educated choice.

Organic and locally grown food is better quality than genetically modified food.
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[VolsNSkinsFan]

The maters I grow in my back yard are A) Organic and B) taste 100x better then anything at kroger

 

[n_huffhines]

1. I'm sure only organic farmers lobby congress

2. I will take my chances with something natural versus synthetic anyday.

3. Buy from your local farmers market.

4. Link for the proof on that.

5. Good point. We could use that land for another walmart.

6. Anything that is better quality is going to cost more.

7. People having adequate food has nothing to do with food production. It is more of a result of political and economic climates

8. simply not true. Anybody who had lived on a farm can tell you that fresh eggs and vegetables from grandmas garden are the best.
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It's funny that you want links for proof of statements with which you disagree. You don't have links proving that this is a good general rule of thumb.

My sources are ReasonTV, Reason Magazine, and Penn & Teller's BS. They do their homework.

Here are some excerpts from Penn & Teller.
‪Penn and Teller BS: Organic Food Myths Debunked (Excerpt)‬‏ - YouTube

 

[BigPapaVol]

the Organic label is a bit of a crock sometimes. Its the governments attempt at categorizing everything. So like everything the govt does there is good and bad. Anything can be labeled "all natural" at least the Organic tag means it met certain criteria.

To be certified organic a farmer has to pay thousands. Many local farmers can't afford that so they can't sell organic food. However many of them will tell you what they use and a consumer can make an educated choice.

Organic and locally grown food is better quality than genetically modified food.
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genetically modified is a very wide net. Most inorganic foods are unaltered, but the labeled as bad because the animals eat a particular diet or because the pesticides weren't made by farmer jed.

 

[n_huffhines]

the Organic label is a bit of a crock sometimes. Its the governments attempt at categorizing everything. So like everything the govt does there is good and bad. Anything can be labeled "all natural" at least the Organic tag means it met certain criteria.

To be certified organic a farmer has to pay thousands. Many local farmers can't afford that so they can't sell organic food. However many of them will tell you what they use and a consumer can make an educated choice.

Organic and locally grown food is better quality than genetically modified food.
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By what measure? There is no scientifically proven nutritional difference, and on Penn & Teller, 70-80% of taste-testers chose non-organic foods.

 

[KiffinKiller]

The "organic" label reminds me of that rumor that the "100% beef" label on McDonald's wrappers is the name of the company that supplies the meat.

 

[KiffinKiller]

By what measure? There is no scientifically proven nutritional difference, and on Penn & Teller, 70-80% of taste-testers chose non-organic foods.

they're also used to it I'm sure. A lot of foods that taste fantastic can often be the least nutritional choice.

Taste argument is second to nutritional differences, imo/

 

[n_huffhines]

they're also used to it I'm sure. A lot of foods that taste fantastic can often be the least nutritional choice.

Taste argument is second to nutritional differences, imo/

It was organic banana vs non-organic banana. Organic apple vs non-organic apple. Granola hippies who claimed organic tastes better continuously chose non-organic in the blind test.

 

[TennTradition]

Buying locally grown food is bigger plus for me than organic. My wife is big on organic food, I am hit or miss. Free range chickens have been found to have a better ratio of "good" fatty acids than purely corn fed chickens. The same goes for grass fed beef. So, I can see going this route. Also, I feel generally safe eating foods grown with synthetic pesticides, as there is extensive toxocological work done when bringing them to market. However, bioaccumulation and long-term effects are impossible to KNOW without lengthy, lengthy tests of the materials in action. This is the benefit that many natural pesticides have. Many have time and history on their side. They may not actually be better for you (because the synthetic pesticide may not be bad); however, history says that people have eaten or been exposed to the natural components of the natural pesticides for a long period of time without specific toxicological concerns being uncovered.
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[TennTradition]

The maters I grow in my back yard are A) Organic and B) taste 100x better then anything at kroger

That has much more to do with being local (and picked at the right time, probably not refrigerated, etc.) than being organic I would imagine.
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[n_huffhines]

lmao

There is no proof, whatsoever, that organic foods are any healthier than non-organic foods…at all. - Alex Avery (Food Policy Analyst at the Hudson Institute)

 

[n_huffhines]

Buying locally grown food is bigger plus for me than organic. My wife is big on organic food, I am hit or miss. Free range chickens have been found to have a better ratio of "good" fatty acids than purely corn fed chickens. The same goes for grass fed beef. So, I can see going this route. Also, I feel generally safe eating foods grown with synthetic pesticides, as there is extensive toxocological work done when bringing them to market. However, bioaccumulation and long-term effects are impossible to KNOW without lengthy, lengthy tests of the materials in action. This is the benefit that many natural pesticides have. Many have time and history on their side. They may not actually be better for you (because the synthetic pesticide may not be bad); however, history says that people have eaten or been exposed to the natural components of the natural pesticides for a long period of time without specific toxicological concerns being uncovered.
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I don't have any problem with that. We could get rid of that corn-fed beef surplus by ending corn subsidies.