Bracketology Update, 3/2

#102
#102
man im scared we wont get out of the first weekend if prince keeps shooting all kinds of shots he dont need to be shooting! he scares me! but hopson is hot!
 
#107
#107
BigPapaVol said:
you wanna see some badass interior D, check out Ogilvy and the boys at Vandy.
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I get that you think it's funny and all, but I mean why? They are awful as a whole on D because they cannot for the life of them guard the 3 ball. But I mean teams shoot a horrific inside percentage against them, how does that not translate into a good interior D?

That's a serious question, because, as you often say, my evaluations are wrong. If a team prevents an opponent from an even average shooting % inside, and are STILL not considered a good interior D, what else must they do to reach that status?
 
#109
#109
tidwell said:
Not really. I seem to recall the game being in doubt in the second half after UL made a furious comeback before Hansbrough started knocking down several jumpers.

How's this, they hung with UNC better than UT hung with them last year?

The point was that what the Cardinals would do to the Vols this year wouldn't be much, if at all, worse than what any of the ones would do.
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I agree with that. To me, Louisville is a 1 seed. They probably won't get it, but they're better than OK and Pitt in my humble opinion. They're peaking at the right time.
 
#110
#110
emainvol said:
As much as I hate to say it, Prince's shooting is the least of UTs worries.
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Prince does take some bad shots, but it's hard for me to fault someone who has 56% FG shooting. I think the bigger worries about Prince are the excessive fouls and the late game boneheaded moves. Interesting to note that he is shooting 63% in our wins and 45% in our losses.
 
#112
#112
Prince has been taking a more "active roll" the last few games. I wonder if its Bruce's call or he is trying to put the team on his shoulders. Either way, I like how he's been playing as of late.
 
#113
#113
Oldblood said:
Prince does take some bad shots, but it's hard for me to fault someone who has 56% FG shooting. I think the bigger worries about Prince are the excessive fouls and the late game boneheaded moves. Interesting to note that he is shooting 63% in our wins and 45% in our losses.
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Ya, exactly.

He's only shot 3 3pters since conference play began, so he's sticking to where he's strong: 2 pt fg%.

Here is, no lie, his 2pt fg% on the year: 61.5%

The fouling is worrisome, but I find it hard to parse out that from the steals he gets in similar situations.
 
#114
#114
lidderer said:
I get that you think it's funny and all, but I mean why? They are awful as a whole on D because they cannot for the life of them guard the 3 ball. But I mean teams shoot a horrific inside percentage against them, how does that not translate into a good interior D?

That's a serious question, because, as you often say, my evaluations are wrong. If a team prevents an opponent from an even average shooting % inside, and are STILL not considered a good interior D, what else must they do to reach that status?
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you miss the why in all of your statistical analysis and that is the weakness in all of it. Chism dropped a hammer on Vandy and he is as mediocre of an interior scorer (especially from a shooting % standpoint) as I can imagine.
 
#115
#115
lidderer said:
Ya, exactly.

He's only shot 3 3pters since conference play began, so he's sticking to where he's strong: 2 pt fg%.

Here is, no lie, his 2pt fg% on the year: 61.5%
The fouling is worrisome, but I find it hard to parse out that from the steals he gets in similar situations.
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who freaking cares. 90% of his shot diet consists of cherry picking dunks and crip putbacks. He should be in the Shaq realm from the floor.
 
#116
#116
kidbourbon said:
I agree with that. To me, Louisville is a 1 seed. They probably won't get it, but they're better than OK and Pitt in my humble opinion. They're peaking at the right time.
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We'd lose to any of them, probably, so ya in that sense it doesn't really matter. Each is entitled to their opinion, and I just happen to like, however minimal, our chances vs a louisville over a UCONN/UNC
 
#117
#117
or how sometimes W Chism plays like a little girl and dont even post up! he will have a good post up game and have great moves then some games he looks scared to go to the block?
 
#118
#118
BigPapaVol said:
you miss the why in all of your statistical analysis and that is the weakness in all of it. Chism dropped a hammer on Vandy and he is as mediocre of an interior scorer (especially from a shooting % standpoint) as I can imagine.
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Exception, meet rule. Chism shoots 56% on the season, and in the vandy games he shot...57%. That doesnt sound like much of a hammer. Still, a pair of games can't tell you much(see: arkansas's two wins over texas and oklahoma)

Are you trying to suggest that other teams in the ncaa purposefully ignore vandy's 'weak' interior D and instead try to beat them through other means? Or that perhaps other teams have just been unlucky hitting inside shots against vandy...over the course of an entire year?

The whys should be obvious and who needs another post spouting off on arm-length, boxing-out, 2-1-2 shifting, and extended zones? I think it's safe to say that we all know the Xs and Os of defense and offense, and tossing out terms like 'grit' and 'presence' aren't really advancing anything.

It's a good interior D, vandy's is. Is it exceptional? No. Is it better than most? Definitely.
 
#119
#119
BigPapaVol said:
who freaking cares. 90% of his shot diet consists of cherry picking dunks and crip putbacks. He should be in the Shaq realm from the floor.
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Apparently oldblood. Are you really insulting a 'putback'? I'll gladly take a putback of any quality over watching a rebound tossed back to the key so I can watch that drab O set again.
 
#120
#120
BigPapaVol said:
who freaking cares. 90% of his shot diet consists of cherry picking dunks and crip putbacks. He should be in the Shaq realm from the floor.
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You're just flat wrong on this one. I'd say the majority of his shots come on drives and putbacks, both of which are valuable. He does get quite a few easy dunks as well, but those also come down to athletic ability and running the floor. JP definitely has some negative qualities, but he has still helped this team quite a bit this year.

And what is a crip putback? Is that where you are in good position for an offensive board and execute? I guess those are luck too.
 
#121
#121
Oldblood said:
You're just flat wrong on this one. I'd say the majority of his shots come on drives and putbacks, both of which are valuable. He does get quite a few easy dunks as well, but those also come down to athletic ability and running the floor. JP definitely has some negative qualities, but he has still helped this team quite a bit this year.

And what is a crip putback? Is that where you are in good position for an offensive board and execute? I guess those are luck too.
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A "crip putback" is where the quarterback throws the ball in the corner and drains the 3.
 
#122
#122
lidderer said:
Are you trying to suggest that other teams in the ncaa purposefully ignore vandy's 'weak' interior D and instead try to beat them through other means? Or that perhaps other teams have just been unlucky hitting inside shots against vandy...over the course of an entire year?

It's a good interior D, vandy's is. Is it exceptional? No. Is it better than most? Definitely.
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Aaaaand LSU, top 30 nationally in 2pt%, shoots a pathetic below 40% vs vandy.

I guess they were just as unlucky inside as nearly every other team that's played vandy this year.
 
#124
#124
PPPpartsp3 said:
I think it has a lot more to do with letting a slug like Ogilvie (sp) score 33 points.
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Well ya, I agree that is part of the reason they lost, I was just commenting on how that dude who tried to call me out was wrong(still) about vandy not having a good interior D.

It's funny because they'll finish the season top 15 out of 344 teams in interior fg% allowed, and yet still, miraculously, that guy won't consider that to be any good.

By funny I mean certifiably insane.
 
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