Brad Nessler replacing Verne at CBS

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UTK said:
and yeah sometimes Gary talks out of his ass though. Not believing in momentum but yet the last two minutes of the first half in the UGA game it sure sounded like he thought we had the momentum. lol
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Did you think UF would score on 4th and 14, based on the result of the previous three plays? UT had all the momentum up until the next play.

Flip it around...UF has all the momentum following a miraculous 4th down TD, yet UT marches down the field for a game-winning FG attempt.

Momentum is overrated...anyone who's ever played football will tell you it's all about the next play.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Did you think UF would score on 4th and 14, based on the result of the previous three plays? UT had all the momentum up until the next play.

Flip it around...UF has all the momentum following a miraculous 4th down TD, yet UT marches down the field for a game-winning FG attempt.

Momentum is overrated...anyone who's ever played football will tell you it's all about the next play.
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Lawrence, that doesn't prove momentum doesn't exist or that it's not powerful. You're merely underscoring how capricious momentum can be.

Momentum is mental, it is 100% in the minds and collective imaginations of the young men playing the game and their coaches and the fans cheering them on.

That doesn't mean it's not tangible. You can certainly feel it, both when it's on your side and when it pushes against you. It is very, very real, and makes a difference.

And then it flips over faster than a penny in the hands of a shyster.

Gary's wrong to say there's no such thing as momentum. He would be far closer to right if he acknowledged its existence and then pointed out that you can't count on it to last.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Lawrence, that doesn't prove momentum doesn't exist or that it's not powerful. You're merely underscoring how capricious momentum can be.

Momentum is mental, it is 100% in the minds and collective imaginations of the young men playing the game and their coaches and the fans cheering them on.

That doesn't mean it's not tangible. You can certainly feel it, both when it's on your side and when it pushes against you. It is very, very real, and makes a difference.

And then it flips over faster than a penny in the hands of a shyster.

Gary's wrong to say there's no such thing as momentum. He would be far closer to right if he acknowledged its existence and then pointed out that you can't count on it to last.
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Thank you for your comments. Momentum is definitely real.
 
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tonybologna said:
Thank you for your comments. Momentum is definitely real.
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Sure thing, Tony. My daughter is studying psychology; maybe one day when she's deep enough into it, I'll ask her to pull together all the research on momentum and its effects on people. I know I've read some studies over the years leading troops in the military, but I don't recall any of them well enough to look them up.

I do know this. When you have confidence (which is what momentum feels like when it's in your favor), you perform better. You have more energy, and you perform tasks more adroitly. I remember one study in particular that proved a person who already knows they can perform a task well, does perform it better than a person who isn't sure of himself in that task. Success breeds success.

So you get more energy, and you perform better. Powerful advantages.

The exact opposite is true of a person who feels like they're beating their head against a wall, rolling Sisyphus' rock uphill constantly. That person gets tired more easily, and is more likely to give up or not try his hardest.

It's all very real. Gary should know this; heck, all of us who have played sports to any extent should know this.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Sure thing, Tony. My daughter is studying psychology; maybe one day when she's deep enough into it, I'll ask her to pull together all the research on momentum and its effects on people. I know I've read some studies over the years leading troops in the military, but I don't recall any of them well enough to look them up.

I do know this. When you have confidence (which is what momentum feels like when it's in your favor), you perform better. You have more energy, and you perform tasks more adroitly. I remember one study in particular that proved a person who already knows they can perform a task well, does perform it better than a person who isn't sure of himself in that task. Success breed success.

So you get more energy, and you perform better. Powerful advantages.

The exact opposite is true of a person who feels like they're beating their head against a wall, rolling Sisyphus' rock uphill constantly. That person gets tired more easily, and is more likely to give up or not try his hardest.

It's all very real. Gary should know this; heck, all of us who have played sports to any extent should know this.
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Another excellent post & more information to prove a point. It's like Danielson hasn't ever played football or any other sport but we all know he has played football. I like his announcing overall though. He has a lot knowledge about the game itself but this momentum thing has really bothered me about him for a long time. .
 
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tonybologna said:
Another excellent post & more information to prove a point. It's like Danielson hasn't ever played football or any other sport but we all know he has played football. I like his announcing overall though. He has a lot knowledge about the game itself but this momentum thing has really bothered me about him for a long time. .
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Well, maybe he's one of a fairly rare group of people who aren't affected as much as the rest of us by the swings of momentum.

You know the guy at work who doesn't seem to be bothered when the boss says six months of work is useless and the team has to start all over, the guy who doesn't get very excited, either, when things are going well? He just keeps his head down and continues to pull the plow?

There are folks like that, we've all met some of them. They're not the norm, but they're not super-rare, either.

Maybe Gary is one of those folks. Since he doesn't really sense momentum, he doesn't believe it exists for others, either.

That doesn't excuse him...just because I can't see as far into the ultraviolet as a bee or smell scents 1/20th as well as my dog, that doesn't mean I don't believe they can do those things. Gary can learn about things beyond his personal experience just like the rest of us. :)
 
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I guess I'm in the minority, and I've played football and basketball.

Momentum is real, but it's fleeting.

Forgetting what happened in the past and focusing on what you can control going forward is a better precursor of future success.

For example, in 1998 Jesse Palmer completes a pass to Robert Gillespie, who takes it down to the 1. UF had all the momentum at that point. Next play Al Wilson knocks Terry Jackson into next week, causing a fumble that UT recovered.

It's all about the next play.
 
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Sean McDonough and Terry Donahue will always be my favorite announcers for CBS. I really miss those guys.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I guess I'm in the minority, and I've played football and basketball.

Momentum is real, but it's fleeting.

Forgetting what happened in the past and focusing on what you can control going forward is a better precursor of future success.

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It's all about the next play.
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Lawrence, I do believe some coaches try to make their players less vulnerable to the emotional swings of momentum, because they KNOW how big a difference it can make on the bad side. They'd like to reap the benefits of the up side, but realize there's little way to do that without opening their team up to the payback as well.

So they emphasize "snap and clear" ... "the next play" ... "one at a time". They are, in effect, trying to make their high-emotion players more like the mulish guy who never experiences those big swings up and down.

Of course, they would much rather find a way to keep the highs, the energy and confidence, without giving up the opposite...but if the choice is "both" or "neither," a lot of them will take "neither" because it's easier to coach around and keep under control.

In short, I know what you're saying, what you've experienced. I've had coaches like that, too. Maybe not as often as you.

Gary would undoubtedly be a coach like that, if only because he can't understand it any other way.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I guess I'm in the minority, and I've played football and basketball.

Momentum is real, but it's fleeting.

Forgetting what happened in the past and focusing on what you can control going forward is a better precursor of future success.

For example, in 1998 Jesse Palmer completes a pass to Robert Gillespie, who takes it down to the 1. UF had all the momentum at that point. Next play Al Wilson knocks Terry Jackson into next week, causing a fumble that UT recovered.

It's all about the next play.
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College Football has the biggest emotional swings in the players. The most of any American sport imo
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Lawrence, I do believe a lot of coaches (at all levels) try to make their players less vulnerable to momentum, because they KNOW how big a difference it can make on the bad side. They'd like to reap the benefits of the up side, but realize there's little way to do that without opening your team up to the payback as well.

So they emphasize "snap and clear" ... "the next play" ... "one at a time". They are, in effect, trying to make all us highly emotional humans more like the mulish guy in the office who never experiences those big swings up and down.

Of course, they would much rather find a way to keep the highs, the energy and confidence, without giving up the opposite...but if the choice is "both" or "neither," a lot of them will take "neither" because it's easier to coach around and keep under control.

In short, I know what you're saying, what you've experienced yourself. I've had coaches like that, too. Maybe not as often as you.

Gary would be a coach like that, if only because he can't understand it any other way.
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Not sure what there is to understand...the only way to negate "momentum" is to focus on what you can control. Having momentum is not a guarantee of future success.

This is how I interpret Danielson's comments, and he's right.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Not sure what there is to understand...the only way to negate "momentum" is to focus on what you can control. Having momentum is not a guarantee of future success.

This is how I interpret Danielson's comments, and he's right.
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Well, I take him at face value. I believe he is not using his words frivolously, but that he actually means what he says.

And I've heard him say, many times over the years, that momentum is a fiction, that it doesn't exist, that it is a chimera (I think he actually used that word once, iirc), that is is a made-up thing that coaches and monday-morning QBs use when trying to describe or explain the flow of a game.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Well, I take him at face value. I believe he is not using his words frivolously, but that he actually means what he says.

And I've heard him say, many times over the years, that momentum is a fiction, that it doesn't exist, that it is a chimera (I think he actually used that word once, iirc), that is is a made-up thing that coaches and monday-morning QBs use when trying to describe or explain the flow of a game.
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And that's his opinion, which doesn't preclude him from being one of the best CFB analysts out there.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And that's his opinion, which doesn't preclude him from being one of the best CFB analysts out there.
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Oh, he's a pretty good one, no doubt. And his incomplete understanding of the psychological aspects of the game isn't even the reason I think less of him than of others. For me, it's primarily that he (and Verne) have come to show subtle favoritism over the decades...something they never did in their early years but have come to more and more.

Nothing gross, just subtle stuff, like knowing the names, backgrounds, and stats of one team's players far better than the other. Or spending twice as much time talking about one team than another between plays. I've seen them do that in favor of Tennessee, and I've seen them do it in favor of the other team. It usually seems to be in favor of the team that is favored to win.

And I'm not a fan of that at all. Plenty of other gameday duos are perfectly balanced in their approaches.

That, not his lack of belief in momentum, is my only real dig against Gary (and Verne).
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Oh, he's a pretty good one, no doubt. And his incomplete understanding of the psychological aspects of the game isn't even the reason I think less of him than of others. For me, it's primarily that he (and Verne) have come to show subtle favoritism over the decades...something they never did in their early years but have come to more and more.

Nothing gross, just subtle stuff, like knowing the names, backgrounds, and stats of one team's players far better than the other. Or spending twice as much time talking about one team than another between plays. I've seen them do that in favor of Tennessee, and I've seen them do it in favor of the other team. It usually seems to be in favor of the team that is favored to win.

And I'm not a fan of that at all. Plenty of other gameday duos are perfectly balanced in their approaches.

That, not his lack of belief in momentum, is my only real dig against Gary (and Verne).
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So since Danielson doesn't believe in momentum, he has "an incomplete understanding of the psychological aspects of the game".

Perhaps we should just agree to disagree here.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So since Danielson doesn't believe in momentum, he has "an incomplete understanding of the psychological aspects of the game".

Perhaps we should just agree to disagree here.
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If he is being truthful when he says that he doesn't think momentum exists, then by definition he has an incomplete understanding of the psychological aspects of the game.

Happy to agree to disagree with you any time, Lawrence the Gator. :hi:


p.s. I've been meaning to ask for a while now, but keep forgetting: how'd you get that "Gator Fan" banner under your avatar? It's cool, I'd like one that says Vols Fan in orange and white under mine. Did you have to twerk for Freak in your jorts to get that or something? I'm not sure how far I'm willing to go for one....
 
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p.s. I've been meaning to ask for a while now, but keep forgetting: how'd you get that "Gator Fan" banner under your avatar? It's cool, I'd like one that says Vols Fan in orange and white under mine. Did you have to twerk for Freak in your jorts to get that or something? I'm not sure how far I'm willing to go for one....
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You can do it from User CP located towards the top of each page.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I guess I'm in the minority, and I've played football and basketball.

Momentum is real, but it's fleeting.

Forgetting what happened in the past and focusing on what you can control going forward is a better precursor of future success.

For example, in 1998 Jesse Palmer completes a pass to Robert Gillespie, who takes it down to the 1. UF had all the momentum at that point. Next play Al Wilson knocks Terry Jackson into next week, causing a fumble that UT recovered.

It's all about the next play.
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Stats show momentum is fool's gold.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Thanks, but couldn't find an option in User Control Panel for banners under the avatar. You have an option like that?
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I thought there was on here but it may be from another forum in which I was thinking about being able to do that.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Did you think UF would score on 4th and 14, based on the result of the previous three plays? UT had all the momentum up until the next play.

Flip it around...UF has all the momentum following a miraculous 4th down TD, yet UT marches down the field for a game-winning FG attempt.

Momentum is overrated...anyone who's ever played football will tell you it's all about the next play.
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. All I'm saying is Gary says one thing but sure sounds like he believes in momentum sometimes. Thats what I meant.
 
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Ready for Verne to hang it up. Hopefully they announce 2016 is his final season before the year so he can go out in style.

We are about to be appearing much more on CBS going forward so this is a great move!
 
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