Brady Chokes!

#51
#51
strangly the pats were probably too conservative most of the game. in a dome i don't see why you don't kick the field goal.
 
#52
#52
droski said:
strangly the pats were probably too conservative most of the game. in a dome i don't see why you don't kick the field goal.
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brady wasn't himself and they were stupid not to run the ball more in the 2nd half. Maroney must have averaged about 8 per carry the entire half.
 
#53
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BigPapaVol said:
brady wasn't himself and they were stupid not to run the ball more in the 2nd half. Maroney must have averaged about 8 per carry the entire half.
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That's what was killing me last night. Run the d@mn ball more, Brady never got going.
 
#54
#54
i don't know wha his average was but in the 2nd qtr he got stuffed on more than one occaision behind the line of scrimmage.

in the 2nd half, particularly the end of hte 3rd qtr in to the 4th, i would agree. the giants D was getting gassed toward the end. i couldn't believe they didn't run him more either.
 
#55
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jakez4ut said:
i can see that, but in brady's defense, he didn't throw picks resulting in poionts, as Peyton has done in the past....
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PM gets this wrap whether he throws a pick or not. He got it after the San Diego game this year. He got it when the Pats ran for 200+ yards against the Colts D.

In the end though it is a team game and it is rarely a single player that is responsible for the outcome.
 
#56
#56
what about that fumble when the pats clearly recovered and in the pile the giants took it away. isn't that pat's ball? i wondered why that didn't get reviewed.
 
#57
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BigPapaVol said:
brady wasn't himself and they were stupid not to run the ball more in the 2nd half. Maroney must have averaged about 8 per carry the entire half.
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i didn't understand why they didn't do max protect like they did the last game. particurally in the second half.
 
#58
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droski said:
what about that fumble when the pats clearly recovered and in the pile the giants took it away. isn't that pat's ball? i wondered why that didn't get reviewed.
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there was also an obvious offensive pass interference on the Giants in the first half that barely even got mentioned. It was quite a push off right in front of the ref. That one baffled me. The only question was whether he got both feet in. I know receivers get away with more, but that one was atrocious to me.
 
#59
#59
has there ever been an offensive pass interference call in the super bowl? and i agree it was blatent.
 
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droski said:
has there ever been an offensive pass interference call in the super bowl? and i agree it was blatent.
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true. but it was awful. just awful. I called it as the play happened live. Joe Buck merely referred to it as creating separation.
 
#62
#62
GoVols817 said:
Peyton never got that benefit of the doubt, so Brady doesn't get it from me.
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i don't see the connection. very few people said peyton choked this year. when he threw 2 or 3 ints there was a legit argument to be made he choked.
 
#63
#63
Brady choked, Belichick choked the Pats choked and that's 3 years in a row. Bottom line, Tom Brady is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL, and maybe all of professional sports. He is simply a product of Belichick's system and always has been. This year he had by far the best offense he's ever had and couldn't win it all. If you put Brady on the Giants he's probably not even starting and if he was they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. You put Eli on the Patriots and they'd won that game last night and blown out who ever they had played. Any quarterback that had been Drew Bledsoe's backup in 2001 would have done the same thing. Brady was just in the right place at the right time. If he hadn't been then he'd probably be playing in Canada right now. If you put Peyton on the Patriots they wouldd probably have gone 19-0 in '03 and '04. Those teams went 14-2. I could name 10 QB's off the top of my head that are better than Brady. Hell, Casey Clausen would probably have a ring or 2 starting for the Pats.
 
#64
#64
wow, you can't be serious. I still take Brady over Peyton all day, every day.
 
#65
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TBVols16 said:
Brady choked, Belichick choked the Pats choked and that's 3 years in a row. Bottom line, Tom Brady is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL, and maybe all of professional sports. He is simply a product of Belichick's system and always has been. This year he had by far the best offense he's ever had and couldn't win it all. If you put Brady on the Giants he's probably not even starting and if he was they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. You put Eli on the Patriots and they'd won that game last night and blown out who ever they had played. Any quarterback that had been Drew Bledsoe's backup in 2001 would have done the same thing. Brady was just in the right place at the right time. If he hadn't been then he'd probably be playing in Canada right now. If you put Peyton on the Patriots they wouldd probably have gone 19-0 in '03 and '04. Those teams went 14-2. I could name 10 QB's off the top of my head that are better than Brady. Hell, Casey Claused would probably have a ring or 2 starting for this team.
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keep 'em coming, my man. let me find a pen and a notebook so I can take some of this down (I'm interviewing for a QB coaching gig this week and I intend to blow them out of the water.)
 
#67
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volfanbill said:
wow, you can't be serious. I still take Brady over Peyton all day, every day.
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I take Manning, but don't think either over the other would make a tremendous difference.

Not that Brady doesn't check off at the line, but Manning's got him beat there, IMO.
 
#68
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droski said:
i don't see the connection. very few people said peyton choked this year. when he threw 2 or 3 ints there was a legit argument to be made he choked.
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Peyton threw 2 ints and 1 was from a Joseph Addai Drop and the other bounced off Reggie Wayne's hands. You can't put that on Peyton.
 
#69
#69
volfanbill said:
wow, you can't be serious. I still take Brady over Peyton all day, every day.
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Then you need to keep just keep watching tennis cause you obviously don't know much about football.
Peyton is the quarterback and basically the offensive coordinator of the Colts. He calls the plays he makes the decisions. He has more responsibility than Brady has ever had. He has a bigger arm and he's a better athlete. There's a reason Brady was a 6th round pick and Peyton was #1 over all. You put Peyton on the Patriots and they probably would have one the last 6 or 7 Superbowls. You put Brady on the Colts, first pick in the draft. The Colts are my favorite team, and I love Addai and Booger and Bob Sanders and Dallas, I'm not gonna name the whole team but I love all those guys. But without Peyton they don't even sniff .500. He means more to his team than any other player in the league. No player in any sport has been more valuble to their team since Michael Jordan.
 
#70
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TBVols16 said:
Then you need to keep just keep watching tennis cause you obviously don't know much about football.
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to act like Brady isn't good at all proves you have no idea about football so it's not even worth debating.
 
#71
#71
I suggest you look at peyton's record against brady and until this year i don't think you could rationally argue that brady had better offensive talent around him than peyton. Peyton's a very good qb, but brady is better.
 
#72
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droski said:
I suggest you look at peyton's record against brady and until this year i don't think you could rationally argue that brady had better offensive talent around him than peyton. Peyton's a very good qb, but brady is better.
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but you could argue blindfolded that Brady had 1.47235 million X the defensive talent. This year that changed, but injuries killed the Colts in the end. A healthy colts team this season and the Pats lose in Indy.
 
#73
#73
I don't like Brady at all but his o/l couldn't keep the heat off of him last night.It wasn't his fault they lost.I feel bad for Stallworth but happy for Wilson. Clearly, Brady , so far, is above Peyton as far as qb's go.Hate to say it but it's true.
 
#74
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utfantilidie said:
I don't like Brady at all but his o/l couldn't keep the heat off of him last night.It wasn't his fault they lost.I feel bad for Stallworth but happy for Wilson. Clearly, Brady , so far, is above Peyton as far as qb's go.Hate to say it but it's true.
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Bradshaw also won more than Kenny Stabler, but it wouldn't take me a second to take Stabler off the board over Bradshaw.
 
#75
#75
droski said:
i don't see the connection. very few people said peyton choked this year. when he threw 2 or 3 ints there was a legit argument to be made he choked.
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http://www.volnation.com/forum/nfl-football/42210-i-thought-manning-done-choking.html#post1145318

It's not just this year, it's any Peyton hasn't won. They say he chokes, he can't win the big one, but never give him the benefit of the doubt since his defense stunk for so long and his Oline didn't show up vs Pittsburgh, or that his WRs tipped two balls straight up in the air for the INTs you speak of.

I've always said it, always will. You give Brady the benefit of the doubt b/c he is the lesser player. That's what people do to try and make an argument.
 
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