Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Let me ask you this, since it's likely happening.

Is UT without ethics for trying to get guys who are already at other teams or committed elsewhere to flip or hit the portal? If Heupel and Co are working on getting someone into the portal, say another CB at Ohio State, to come to UT and it works, will you be okay with it?
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No, hopefully they won’t approach or pay a guy that has just signed an agreement for this next season, but it will still be on the player UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

Now, if we found a better deal and pulled the recent deal to apply to an unsigned guy elsewhere in the absence of serious character issues, THEN we would be due the grief.

Don’t see a tough line to draw in these situations. Honor completed agreements. No agreement, no harm.
 
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FranklinVFL said:
Sorry, I likely want clear. What I meant by that is he should not be participating in spring camp, team meetings, etc until this is relived or he leaves.

Wasn’t trying to say just drop him without trying to work on a new deal if needed.
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Yeah, I wasn’t clear either.

I think it depends on his attitude. If he is showing up to team meetings, workouts and practices with the right attitude, I think that goes a long way to getting a deal done. This is not Heup’s fault or Gibson’s fault. This is a problem with the system. It allows for something like this to happen.

I’m old school. You make a deal you stick to it. Sometimes it works out better for one or the other. I also can’t blame Gibson for using the system to his advantage. That doesn’t make him a bad person. Just not cut from the same cloth. How would he feel if his NIL quit paying him if he gets beat out.

UT needs to be careful with how they handle this so it doesn’t become a problem in the future. We need cornerbacks so we can’t afford not to try and make it work unless we have a plan to replace him. Sometimes it will work out for the players, sometimes it won’t. e.g. Awaka and Aidoo.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
No, hopefully they won’t approach or pay a guy that has just signed an agreement for this next season, but it will still be on the player UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

Now, if we found a better deal and pulled the recent deal to apply to an unsigned guy elsewhere in the absence of serious character issues, THEN we would be due the grief.

Don’t see a tough line to draw in these situations. Honor completed agreements. No agreement, no harm.
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Unfortunately, that is the system. I don’t like it. But I’m afraid it may be sink or swim.

I flew from Baltimore to Nashville with the ODU baseball team. I was talking to one of the kids that played for them. He was supposed to play at Oregon, but his deal got pulled for a kid that decided not to go into the league. He said it sucked, but he understood that that is how it is these days. I love his attitude and I’m wishing him success in his future that’s for sure.
 
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lukeneyland said:
Just pay him it’s a joke we pay for women’s sports but not top dollar for football
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Well...Women HAVE Expensive Taste...

but they SURE look Cute in their uniforms!!!
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CDB said:
Unfortunately, that is the system. I don’t like it. But I’m afraid it may be sink or swim.

I flew from Baltimore to Nashville with the ODU baseball team. I was talking to one of the kids that played for them. He was supposed to play at Oregon, but his deal got pulled for a kid that decided not to go into the league. He said it sucked, but he understood that that is how it is these days. I love his attitude and I’m wishing him success in his future that’s for sure.
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Bad stuff is out there. We do not have to stoop to bad acts. I hope we are aggressive in ABOVE BOARD interactions with players. Right is still right. Why would I want to trust a guy who is trashing an earlier agreement with a competitor? Sounds like a really bad risk/reward situation. I know our squad is not made up of only Eagle Scouts, but there should be a character/integrity line. This would be below that for me with my limited fact base. Staff????
 
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They need to bring some structure to NIL. This idea that anyone can be a free agent whenever, and however often, they choose undermines the product on the field, which will ultimately dictate how much money these guys can make. Of course, you’d likely need a player’s union to work with to set terms, and I don’t think the unis want to encourage that
 
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I'm just not seeing how he's worth more due to someone being injured. Gibson is gonna play the same amount of plays as he would have without the injury. He can't play both CB positions at once. IMHO, the replacement CB would be worth more because now he's a starter.....🤷
 
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ATCVolinmn said:
I'm just not seeing how he's worth more due to someone being injured. Gibson is gonna play the same amount of plays as he would have without the injury. He can't play both CB positions at once. IMHO, the replacement CB would be worth more because now he's a starter.....🤷
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Because he knows he’s the next best guy up and can screw the team by leaving for another school. That’s the very simple and truthful answer .
 
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No matter what he does now by putting out he's going in the portal everybody knows what's up.. He could've did this behind closed doors... Good business?? Maybe, but many Vol fans just lost allot of love for him... If he stays he'll be that guy that wanted to leave for money... If he goes he'll be loathed by all vol fans
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Bad stuff is out there. We do not have to stoop to bad acts. I hope we are aggressive in ABOVE BOARD interactions with players. Right is still right. Why would I want to trust a guy who is trashing an earlier agreement with a competitor? Sounds like a really bad risk/reward situation. I know our squad is not made up of only Eagle Scouts, but there should be a character/integrity line. This would be below that for me with my limited fact base. Staff????
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I agree with all that. Not saying it’s right, but I understand. They definitely need to fix the system.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Because he knows he’s the next best guy up and can screw the team by leaving for another school. That’s the very simple and truthful answer .
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Yet somehow pointing this out means you're attacking him. I swear, we could have half our starters go to the coaches at halftime of the national title game and say "give us all big bonuses or we aren't going to compete in the second half" and there'd be people out there that would say "that's fair, that's just business."

Even in a world where one could say "that's just business," the idea fans should remain stoic about all this sort of stuff is, as I said back at the start of this thread, fascinating.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He didn't break a contract if there legal consequences for doing so. He has the right to walk away at any time. You might think this is unfair but that's what the rules are right now. Rickey Gibson is doing nothing wrong by the letter of the law.
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😂 how is he going to fulfill the NIL contract he signed two months ago if he transfers? He can’t. He’s not going to prison or anything but that doesn’t mean he didn’t violate the contract he signed. He absolutely negotiated in bad faith.
 
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Voltopia said:
Yet somehow pointing this out means you're attacking him. I swear, we could have half our starters go to the coaches at halftime of the national title game and say "give us all big bonuses or we aren't going to compete in the second half" and there'd be people out there that would say "that's fair, that's just business."

Even in a world where one could say "that's just business," the idea fans should remain stoic about all this sort of stuff is, as I said back at the start of this thread, fascinating.
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What this shows is how broken the system is. What I've pointed out is that UT has been heavily involved in creating this chaotic system.

They wanted multi-no penalty transfers and got the state to join the lawsuit.

They wanted the NCAA to have almost no power to regulate NIL and joined lawsuits to help that happen.

You sow, you reap. UT has benefitted greatly from the portal, NIL deals, etc and there's a downside to that and this kind of thing is it.

Whether Gibson is right or wrong, he didn't help create this system. UT did. UT is getting bit in the butt by what it helped create.
 
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The NCAA is too blame here, they drug their heels on issues forever. Cherry picked enforcement, looked the other way with others. Uneven rulings, and went after UT with binders on. Folks blaming UT for going after the NCAA can go kick rocks. Put the blame squarely on where this belongs, it’s a large four letter NCAA! GBO
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
The NCAA is too blame here, they drug their heels on issues forever. Cherry picked enforcement, looked the other way with others. Uneven rulings, and went after UT with binders on. Folks blaming UT for going after the NCAA can go kick rocks. Put the blame squarely on where this belongs, it’s a large four letter NCAA! GBO
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Yeah, the NCAA KNEW any NIL would be exploited like it is being exploited by the teams to buy rosters.

They couldn't give an inch because OBVIOUSLY the schools would sue to take a mile.

You can't "just barely pay" players or work a deal when the schools sue you with every regulation.

Place the blame where it is. The schools wanted every bit of this free for all and as soon as the NCAA gave ANY opening, they sued to make the dam collapse....... EVERY SINGLE TIME.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yeah, the NCAA KNEW any NIL would be exploited like it is being exploited by the teams to buy rosters.

They couldn't give an inch because OBVIOUSLY the schools would sue to take a mile.

You can't "just barely pay" players or work a deal when the schools sue you with every regulation.

Place the blame where it is. The schools wanted every bit of this free for all and as soon as the NCAA gave ANY opening, they sued to make the dam collapse....... EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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The NCAA could have told the truth along time ago. They could have said we do not have the man power or resources to accurately or fairly monitor boosters giving players money. They should have kept monitoring things they could control. If your going to be the NCAA water carrier in all this have at it. I have followed college football forever, the NCAA is not equipped to handle it’s own massive rule book. The NCAA could have nipped this long ago if they hadn’t started chasing boosters. GBO
 
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