Bret Beliema - WISCONSIN

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This would be the best hire we can get at this point. I'd be excited if this happened.
 
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Offer him $4m+ a year and a generous allowance for assistants. He's a proven winner and his style would mesh well in the run dominant SEC.
 
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I live in Madison, WI and when somebody mentioned that Wisconsin fans are getting sick of him, he's right. Last night was the first game that Wisconsin put together a full 4 Quarters this season. He's won 3 consecutive B1G Championships, thanks to a flop by their punter last season, but hasn't been able to win the big games outside of that. His recruiting has been suspect in recent years. His record also gets a nice boost because they annually play a very weak Non-Conference schedule and then gets away with playing most of the weaker B1G teams every year. A lot of people are getting sick of his lack of big game success as he's 2-4 in bowl games and chokes in some of the important conference games.

I would prefer to have him over some other coaches that have been mentioned, but at this point he'd be 4th or 5th on my list.
 
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Would absolutely love this. The guy recruits stud RB's and OL every year. Would love to see what he could do with SEC resources. The lost 3 OT games this year. Wisconsin is the best 5 loss team I've seen in a while as demonstrated by last night's performance.
 
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BSG30 said:
I live in Madison, WI and when somebody mentioned that Wisconsin fans are getting sick of him, he's right. Last night was the first game that Wisconsin put together a full 4 Quarters this season. He's won 3 consecutive B1G Championships, thanks to a flop by their punter last season, but hasn't been able to win the big games outside of that. His recruiting has been suspect in recent years. His record also gets a nice boost because they annually play a very weak Non-Conference schedule and then gets away with playing most of the weaker B1G teams every year. A lot of people are getting sick of his lack of big game success as he's 2-4 in bowl games and chokes in some of the important conference games.

I would prefer to have him over some other coaches that have been mentioned, but at this point he'd be 4th or 5th on my list.
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What do they expect then? They're in a talent starved state so recruiting is going to be less than ideal, therefore they'll struggle more times than not against the O$U's and UM's of the conference. However he's proven he can beat teams with more talent at least occasionally. He was beat earlier in the year by UN and found away to make adjustments and stomp them the second time around, same thing happened with MSU last year.

He beat a SEC champ participant in
Arkansas his first year and had a chance to beat us in 2007, when his team should have never even hung with us based on the rosters on paper.

They're experiencing unprecedented success under him and yet they're not happy. I'd gladly take 3 straight BCS bowls even if they resulted in losses. Not to mention they're in a conference with 4 of the top 10 winningest programs of all time, now that Nebraska is in the B10.
 
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BSG30 said:
I live in Madison, WI and when somebody mentioned that Wisconsin fans are getting sick of him, he's right. Last night was the first game that Wisconsin put together a full 4 Quarters this season. He's won 3 consecutive B1G Championships, thanks to a flop by their punter last season, but hasn't been able to win the big games outside of that. His recruiting has been suspect in recent years. His record also gets a nice boost because they annually play a very weak Non-Conference schedule and then gets away with playing most of the weaker B1G teams every year. A lot of people are getting sick of his lack of big game success as he's 2-4 in bowl games and chokes in some of the important conference games.

I would prefer to have him over some other coaches that have been mentioned, but at this point he'd be 4th or 5th on my list.
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Just proves that Vols fans aren't the only stupid fans in college football.
 
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A lot of the Badger fans are getting disappointed with him, because they are used to seeing the Packers being successful recently, so they get their hopes up on the Badgers and expect them to be competing for Titles also, so whenever he chokes in a big game they want his head. A lot of the football fans here in Wisconsin have tunnel vision and don't know much about college football if it doesn't concern the Badgers and anything that gets talked about a lot on ESPN. Most people I talk to think that the Badgers have put out better NFL talent than the Vols have, just an example of their tunnel vision.

I like that Bielema is a Defensive-minded coach, which is what we need. I think he would be a Boom-or-Bust coach, with no previous SEC experience but a good record so far. I would worry about his recruiting, as he is already complaining about CUM's tactics at tOSU, and his adjustment into coaching big games on a weekly basis.

I like that he always seems to get good Lineman (Off/Def) and RB's though. Watch out for Melvin Gordon (rFR), he could be another monster at RB for them, I watched him play in High School.
 
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BSG30 said:
A lot of the Badger fans are getting disappointed with him, because they are used to seeing the Packers being successful recently, so they get their hopes up on the Badgers and expect them to be competing for Titles also, so whenever he chokes in a big game they want his head. A lot of the football fans here in Wisconsin have tunnel vision and don't know much about college football if it doesn't concern the Badgers and anything that gets talked about a lot on ESPN. Most people I talk to think that the Badgers have put out better NFL talent than the Vols have, just an example of their tunnel vision.

I like that Bielema is a Defensive-minded coach, which is what we need. I think he would be a Boom-or-Bust coach, with no previous SEC experience but a good record so far. I would worry about his recruiting, as he is already complaining about CUM's tactics at tOSU, and his adjustment into coaching big games on a weekly basis.

I like that he always seems to get good Lineman (Off/Def) and RB's though. Watch out for Melvin Gordon (rFR), he could be another monster at RB for them, I watched him play in High School.
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The recruiting deal is the only reservation I would have with BB. That ordeal with CUM last year was weak. I would hope that anyone who comes in would be cut throat in recruiting and know that people are always going to be after some of your guys. He would definitely have to adapt.
 
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This is a guy that could be just what the doctor ordered.

young
several years HC experience at a larger program.
defensive minded.
team scored 70 vs. Nebraska...not bad!
hugely successful
Worked previously at Iowa, Kansas State and then under Barry Alvarez.
Probably can give him a good raise from where he is at.
 
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That Badgers wouldn't even have sniffed a conference championship if OSU and Penn St weren't on probation this year. Really he only has 2 meaningful seasons as a coach. Even those two seasons should be called into question because once his OC Paul Chrystal left for Pitt and his OLine coach Bostad left, not to mention the 1 year rental of Russell Wilson, his team was average at best. He's a defensive minded coach and while his defenses have enjoyed solid rankings, they come up short more often than not. As I've said, and I don't understand how some of you don't get it, Alvarez laid out the road map on how to win at Wisconsin and BB is just smart enough not to screw it up. If any you think he's a better coach than Alvarez, you clearly have ZERO clue what you're talking about.

Also they play a ridiculous non-con schedule. It's embarrassing.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I disagree. Wisconsin looks about as close to an SEC team IMO as you can get. Power running and mashing people. I so miss a power run game here at UT. Bama yesterday looked like a machine running the ball. 8-10-12 yards a pop. Yes, I could deal with that here at UT.
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They really do.
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
That Badgers wouldn't even have sniffed a conference championship if OSU and Penn St weren't on probation this year. Really he only has 2 meaningful seasons as a coach. Even those two seasons should be called into question because once his OC Paul Chrystal left for Pitt and his OLine coach Bostad left, not to mention the 1 year rental of Russell Wilson, his team was average at best. He's a defensive minded coach and while his defenses have enjoyed solid rankings, they come up short more often than not. As I've said, and I don't understand how some of you don't get it, Alvarez laid out the road map on how to win at Wisconsin and BB is just smart enough not to screw it up. If any you think he's a better coach than Alvarez, you clearly have ZERO clue what you're talking about.

Also they play a ridiculous non-con schedule. It's embarrassing.
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So you're discounting his year with Russell because it was only one year? Thats retarded, he was responsible for re-recruiting the guy and convincing him Wisconsin was the best place for him.

This year is an exception making it to the title but he took full advantage of the opportunity and adjusted his game plan to beat a team that beat him him 3 months earlier.

Again I ask you, when does his coaching career and success become his own and not that of Alvarez? It's easy to say that about a guy a year or two after a successful coach (i.e. Butch Jones following Kelley) but seven years in, with a far better winning percentage than Alavarez and its still all attributed to him?

I don't doubt he's followed a successful model/system that he learned along the way, most coaches do, that's what mentors mean, but he's managed to take it and have better results in the win-loss column than his predecessor.
 
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You watch a lot of Wisconsin? Here's an experiment for you, go be a Badger fan for a season and come away from that season with the same hardon for Bielema. Won't happen. Squawk all you want about some of the guys he's recruited and his winning %, but he's a barely above average coach...and every Badger fan will say the same thing.
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
You watch a lot of Wisconsin? Here's an experiment for you, go be a Badger fan for a season and come away from that season with the same hardon for Bielema. Won't happen. Squawk all you want about some of the guys he's recruited and his winning %, but he's a barely above average coach...and every Badger fan will say the same thing.
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Every passionate fan base has people complaining about their coach, but I highly doubt EVERY BADGER FAN is upset with 3 straight Rose Bowls.
 
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As an Iowa alum I'll say this: Beliema is tough as nails. He would get the respect of the team, for sure. Played for Hayden Fry. Has played a style General Neyland would love, but has a few tricks up his sleeve for sure. Madison has to be a tough sell for recruits outside the Midwest . . . great city, but the bleak Midwestern winters are what they are. His ability to recruit SEC talent is a big risk factor.

Still, I can see this working.
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
You watch a lot of Wisconsin? Here's an experiment for you, go be a Badger fan for a season and come away from that season with the same hardon for Bielema. Won't happen. Squawk all you want about some of the guys he's recruited and his winning %, but he's a barely above average coach...and every Badger fan will say the same thing.
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We get it ORV; you're not a happy Wisconsin fan. Which makes you just as delusional as "every" Badger fan who wants a new coach. Maybe one day you'll see your program for what it is; historically average who's probably reached its ceiling given certain circumstances (i.e. little homegrown talent, harsh location for non Badgers, competition with history rich programs). If you and/or other fans think UWs has the ability to be consistent NC contenders just under another coach then that's wishful thinking. The same should be said for UT. No reason to not be a consistent 9-10 win team and every few years hop in there but there's too much going against us to be a yr in and yr out contender like Bama or LSU.
 
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I'd be shocked if Tennessee actually pursued him. Not a fit. The one redeeming quality about Bielema is his ability to develop players.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
We get it ORV; you're not a happy Wisconsin fan. Which makes you just as delusional as "every" Badger fan who wants a new coach. Maybe one day you'll see your program for what it is; historically average who's probably reached its ceiling given certain circumstances (i.e. little homegrown talent, harsh location for non Badgers, competition with history rich programs). If you and/or other fans think UWs has the ability to be consistent NC contenders just under another coach then that's wishful thinking. The same should be said for UT. No reason to not be a consistent 9-10 win team and every few years hop in there but there's too much going against us to be a yr in and yr out contender like Bama or LSU.
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Didn't say I wanted a new coach at Wisconsin, just pointing out why Bielema isn't a fit for Tennessee or the SEC. He does the bare minimum to succeed at Wisconsin and he will always keep his job because of it.
If you think that's a good fit for Tennessee then that's fine, but a better coach could do more with Wisconsin. He got a good QB in Wilson in there, he had some players on defense (JJ Watt in particular), they got some respect in the polls, and he still couldn't get his team over the hump. As I said though, his teams do the bare minimum and for some people, like yourself apparently, that's enough. I'd rather have a coach that kept his teams in the national championship hunt year in and year out. And if you think that a B1G team can't compete for a national championship, Jim Tressell disagrees.
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
Didn't say I wanted a new coach at Wisconsin, just pointing out why Bielema isn't a fit for Tennessee or the SEC. He does the bare minimum to succeed at Wisconsin and he will always keep his job because of it.
If you think that's a good fit for Tennessee then that's fine, but a better coach could do more with Wisconsin. He got a good QB in Wilson in there, he had some players on defense (JJ Watt in particular), they got some respect in the polls, and he still couldn't get his team over the hump. As I said though, his teams do the bare minimum and for some people, like yourself apparently, that's enough. I'd rather have a coach that kept his teams in the national championship hunt year in and year out. And if you think that a B1G team can't compete for a national championship, Jim Tressell disagrees.
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I said UW can't consistently compete for NC, not the B10. They don't have the homegrown talent that OSU and UM or even PSU have, nor the history and tradition. That's why I say they've probably reached their ceiling. They'll mostly be the 3rd or 4th program in that conference with an occasional "breakout" season like they had in 2010. Even in 2006 at 12-1 they were 3rd in the B10.
 
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The mark of a good head coach is a guy that can motivate and prepare his guys to go above and beyond and win games that at times they aren't expected to win.

Bielema has been great at beating the Indiana's and Minnesota's of the conference, but he's struggled against the better teams like OSU and PSU and MSU. His record in bowl games is also up and down.

All of that can be changed IMO if they can go out and finally win the Rose Bowl. They should have won it 2 years ago against TCU, and they got a bad draw against Oregon which I think should have been in the NC game. The opportunity is there for him to take the next step with the program because regardless of his overall record he hasn't won the Rose Bowl. That still matters to a lot of people and the reality is that this program should be expected to win a BCS game once in a while.
 
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