Bronny James Suffers Cardiac Event

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JohnWardForever said:
Neighbor was obviously not in good physical condition. And after doing my research and adapting some of the "Idiotic prevention & treatment methods" I haven't even had a head cold. (2yrs) Every best wish. BTW, the cdc forced Doctors to push it, OR lose their license. You weren't privy to that info.
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Terrible assumption since you don't know him. I guess since I didn't have covid that I am in better physical condition than both of you.

I doubt you were privy to anything more than anyone else was. It is simply not true that Doctors were forced to push it OR lose their license. You should know that disciplinary action comes from state medical boards not the CDC.

That ivermectin probably helped you, or was it the hydroxychloroquine?
 
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05_never_again said:
Given the coyness of LeBron's comments about the vaccine a couple of years ago, and the fact that Bronny is young, I'd say the odds are that he actually didn't take the vaccine.

This stuff unfortunately happens from time to time. It happened before COVID and the vaccine. It's happened to several professional soccer players over the years.
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Even if Bronny is vaccinated, it’s highly unlikely he’s still getting boosters as recently as a month ago for this to have any correlation.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Neighbor was obviously not in good physical condition. And after doing my research and adapting some of the "Idiotic prevention & treatment methods" I haven't even had a head cold. (2yrs) Every best wish. BTW, the cdc forced Doctors to push it, OR lose their license. You weren't privy to that info.
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LOL
 
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woodpusher said:
It may be unwise for any of them to play again. My sister was on the swim team many years ago -- doctor heard a heart murmur and suggested she give up competitive swimming.
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Bronny's family can afford the very finest cardiac imaging to detect any defects and it's worth it for him because of his earnings potential. If it's a congenital defect it's similar to the Cooper Manning situation, Bronny can still have a very successful career just not on the court.

As for relating it to the vax, 70% of Americans are fully vaxxed. If the vax were the issue, we'd all know someone who has had a cardiac event. That's BS just like the "guns are the problem" argument. 40%+ of households have a weapon. If guns were the issue, we'd see a lot more issues than we do. It's not politics, it's math.
 
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WillisWG said:
DALLAS, August 22, 2022 — In a detailed analysis of nearly 43 million people, the risk of myocarditis in unvaccinated individuals after COVID-19 infection was at least 11 times higher compared to people who developed myocarditis after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine or booster dose, according to new research published today in the American Heart Association’s flagship, peer-reviewed journal Circulation. This analysis included data from England’s National Immunization database for people ages 13 and older who received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine between December 1, 2020 and December 15, 2021 in England.

Myocarditis risk significantly higher after COVID-19 infection vs. after a COVID-19 vaccine
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The other thing is myocarditis appears right after you get the vaccine or have COVID. So if Bronny was vaxxed in 2021/2022 like most people, it’s not from myocarditis.
 
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VAVol85 said:
Seems like the 2021 peak could be attributed to vax, COVID, or some combination of the two effects.
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Correct. Because usually myocarditis appeared in one month after the vaccine was administered on the second shot.

What people also seem to conveniently forget is people with COVID also got myocarditis after the first month of getting the disease as well.
 
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zjcvols said:
Correct. Because usually myocarditis appeared in one month after the vaccine was administered on the second shot.

What people also seem to conveniently forget is people with COVID also got myocarditis after the first month of getting the disease as well.
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I feel bad for medical researchers. In the physical sciences, we can usually design experiments to isolate specific factors for study. In medical science, everything is convoluted and all the test subjects are unique.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Cardiac deaths going down last year would be consistent with the idea that the vax caused some of these. I'd expect deaths to peak in 2021 and that's what your chart shows
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If the vaccine was the cause you would expect not only a peak in 2021 but a significant increase still in 2022 compared to previous years as we continued to vaccinate. We didn’t ever start to vaccinate under 12 until end of 2021.
Regardless vaccine safety reporting hasn’t show any increase cardiovascular death post vaccine. For vaccine safety we utilize tools like the vaccine safety database and the global vaccine database which takes any passive reporting such as what is in VAERS and looks for increase in cases in the general population in vaccinated individuals. These systems are pretty darn good. They were able to warn about a handful of VITT cases back in 2021 establishing link to the J&J vaccine within several months of that vaccine roll-out. Myocarditis with mrna vaccines was also discovered this way by summer 2021. There are several other databases that give us safety signals if they pop up. We also have big picture data from countries like Israel and UK showing in the months after vaccination there are lower rates of cardiac death and strokes following vaccination compared to unvaccinated cohorts (though statistically not significant). We have data from the UK Health Security Agency showing much lower rates of all-cause mortality (not just covid) in the vaccinated compared to unvaccinated in 2021 and 2022. This doesn’t prove that the vaccine is the reason for lower death rate in those vaccinated as there are likely many confounders but it definitely demonstrates there is not a major safety signal with the vaccine that is not being reported.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If the vax were the issue, we'd all know someone who has had a cardiac event.
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I doubt anyone's done a study on this, but I'd be very interested to see what correlation exists, if any, between those who opposed the covid vaccines (and other covid-mitigation measures) and those who believe they know one or more people who have suffered a covid-vaccine injury. I know several people who lost loved ones to covid, but no one of my acquaintance has reported being injured by a covid vaccine, nor has anyone I know reported knowing anyone who has been injured by a covid vaccine.
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/26/sport/bronny-james-cardiac-arrest-screening/index.html

Bronny James, who on Monday suffered a cardiac arrest and was hospitalized, had a cardiac screening several months ago as part of a program for prospective NBA players, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The screening included a transthoracic echocardiogram – which looks at blood flow through the heart and heart valves – and an EKG, which is a recording of the heart’s electrical activity, the source said. Both screenings came back with normal results.

The normal results of those tests are a good sign and likely mean the episode wasn’t caused by an anatomical preexisting problem.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
I doubt anyone's done a study on this, but I'd be very interested to see what correlation exists, if any, between those who opposed the covid vaccines (and other covid-mitigation measures) and those who believe they know one or more people who have suffered a covid-vaccine injury. I know several people who lost loved ones to covid, but no one of my acquaintance has reported being injured by a covid vaccine, nor has anyone I know reported knowing anyone who has been injured by a covid vaccine.
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I think it's easily possible that some issues with the COVID vax go under the radar. Not everyone will be symptomatic for various cardiac issues that might have developed. In that, though, does an asymptomatic person, even if they developed an issue from a drug, have a problem with the drug?

More data is always good and there's not a lot of data on the current COVID vax.

I have word from someone who should know these things that a "conventionally developed" COVID vaccine is coming, perhaps by winter. Practicing physicians or medical research workers may be able to confirm that.

I'll feel more comfortable with an old school vax but I'm fully vaxxed because I'm old and dying intubated was scarier than getting vaxxed.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Lmao at people blaming the vaccine. I imagine most major sports athletes around the entire world got the vaccine and well we rarely see this sort of thing happening to athletes. Grasping for straws
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Wow. I guess more people than I realize pay absolutely No attention to things going on. That is the case if all you ever see and hear is the network news. I know several people that have contracted cancer and developed heart problems in the last 2 years than in the previous 10. Lets pose a question. If I ask you to inject a substance into your body and I told you it had never ever been successfully tested, would you take it? If you took the vaccine, then that is exactly what you did.
 
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Volnanza said:
Wow. I guess more people than I realize pay absolutely No attention to things going on. That is the case if all you ever see and hear is the network news. I know several people that have contracted cancer and developed heart problems in the last 2 years than in the previous 10. Lets pose a question. If I ask you to inject a substance into your body and I told you it had never ever been successfully tested, would you take it? If you took the vaccine, then that is exactly what you did.
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This is the sort of sentiment I had in mind when I wrote my post above.
 
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Volnanza said:
Wow. I guess more people than I realize pay absolutely No attention to things going on. That is the case if all you ever see and hear is the network news. I know several people that have contracted cancer and developed heart problems in the last 2 years than in the previous 10. Lets pose a question. If I ask you to inject a substance into your body and I told you it had never ever been successfully tested, would you take it? If you took the vaccine, then that is exactly what you did.
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Is it your assumption that the vaccine is responsible for ALL these issues?

Complications of Coronavirus (COVID-19)
 
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Volnanza said:
Wow. I guess more people than I realize pay absolutely No attention to things going on. That is the case if all you ever see and hear is the network news. I know several people that have contracted cancer and developed heart problems in the last 2 years than in the previous 10. Lets pose a question. If I ask you to inject a substance into your body and I told you it had never ever been successfully tested, would you take it? If you took the vaccine, then that is exactly what you did.
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gotta love the conspiracy theorists. I’ll take my chances with genius level scientists and people with education before any conspiracy theories. Our country is also the least healthiest it’s been in its entire existence as far as obesity etc and I’d be willing to bet that’s to blame far more than anything Covid vaccine related
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
gotta love the conspiracy theorists. I’ll take my chances with genius level scientists and people with education before any conspiracy theories. Our country is also the least healthiest it’s been in its entire existence as far as obesity etc and I’d be willing to bet that’s to blame far more than anything Covid vaccine related
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Half the country spent the last three years sitting at home, eating twinkies and downing energy drinks, but hillbillies believe a vaccine is why America has heart problems.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
gotta love the conspiracy theorists. I’ll take my chances with genius level scientists and people with education before any conspiracy theories. Our country is also the least healthiest it’s been in its entire existence as far as obesity etc and I’d be willing to bet that’s to blame far more than anything Covid vaccine related
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It was those exact same genius level scientists that convicted me to stay far away from the jab. The one's that had morals, and convictions and came out and said "DON"T" very loud and clear. They knew the science (even developed the science) on the vaccines and quit before pushing this on others. And it is funny that you DIDN"T listen to those who were pushing the jab and telling you at the same time (this is untested...you are the test). Untested means they...didn't...know.
 
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