Bronny James Suffers Cardiac Event

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WillisWG said:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/26/sport/bronny-james-cardiac-arrest-screening/index.html

Bronny James, who on Monday suffered a cardiac arrest and was hospitalized, had a cardiac screening several months ago as part of a program for prospective NBA players, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The screening included a transthoracic echocardiogram – which looks at blood flow through the heart and heart valves – and an EKG, which is a recording of the heart’s electrical activity, the source said. Both screenings came back with normal results.

The normal results of those tests are a good sign and likely mean the episode wasn’t caused by an anatomical preexisting problem.
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That’s slightly encouraging, but at the same time concerning. Does this mean discovering the cause of his cardiac arrest will be more difficult?
 
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Volnanza said:
It was those exact same genius level scientists that convicted me to stay far away from the jab. The one's that had morals, and convictions and came out and said "DON"T" very loud and clear. They knew the science (even developed the science) on the vaccines and quit before pushing this on others. And it is funny that you DIDN"T listen to those who were pushing the jab and telling you at the same time (this is untested...you are the test). Untested means they...didn't...know.
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Voices in the wilderness...only very few at that. I guess Trump could have waited for the vaccine to go through the normal 10 to 15 year vaccine development approval process but where would we be? Instead he chose after some hesitation to use the NSC's Pandemic Playbook, that some the smartest people in our country helped develop.

SARS types of viruses were not unknown to us, researchers had been working for years to develop faster, safer vaccination methods when we encountered the next SARS related virus. The framework was there for 20 years or more. Your concerns are without merit.

A Timeline of COVID-19 Vaccine Development | BioSpace


By mid-summer, Moderna and Pfizer had established themselves as the leaders in the race of vaccine development by developing a COVID-19 vaccine.

Both companies were also the only to take the mRNA vaccine approach, publishing initial Phase I/II clinical trial data on July 14th for Moderna, and on August 12th for Pfizer. Although sample sizes were small—as they typically are in early phase clinical trials—the results demonstrated promising safety measures and antibody production against the spike protein from those who got the vaccine.

During this timeframe, both companies also published promising efficacy data in non-human primate models. Both the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccines proved to be effective against infection in the vaccinated animals, allowing them to mount substantial CD4+ T-cell responses against the virus and preventing viral replication in the nose.

Given these promising results during vaccine development, Phase III trials immediately began enrollment, with Moderna focusing their efforts within the U.S. and Pfizer taking a more global approach. Between the two trials, more than 70,000 people were enrolled to receive either a placebo or a real vaccine and were subsequently sent out into the real world where their COVID-19 status was monitored for approximately 10 weeks, with the hope the results would be available before the year’s end.
 
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TennesseeRhett said:
Pretty sure Hank Gathers hadn’t gotten the shot when he collapsed and died on the court in 1990. This just happens sometimes, no conspiracy necessary
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So this is just limited to basketball players? Ignore all the other highly conditioned athletes in other sports we're hearing about on a regular basis? Sorry, but something is wrong when well conditioned folks in their teens and 20's/30's are having cardiac events. And, unless you've been living in a cave for the last few years, it's not just athletes. You see younger individuals who aren't obese, smokers who live lousy lifestyles having issues as well.
 
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Volnanza said:
It was those exact same genius level scientists that convicted me to stay far away from the jab. The one's that had morals, and convictions and came out and said "DON"T" very loud and clear. They knew the science (even developed the science) on the vaccines and quit before pushing this on others. And it is funny that you DIDN"T listen to those who were pushing the jab and telling you at the same time (this is untested...you are the test). Untested means they...didn't...know.
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We're both wasting time and energy on this. This is just another arena where Americans are totally divided. It's not an argument that can be won on a message board. I'll say this tho...after being in the medical field for over 40 years prior to retiring, I've lost faith in the healthcare system and pharmaceutical industry. Good luck to those who took the vaccine and all those boosters. I'll put my faith in God and the immune system he gave me.
 
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NCAA-focused research led to an analysis of SCD in NCAA athletes over a 10-year period (2003 to 2013) (15,17). The analysis was conducted using cases identified in the NCAA Memorial Resolutions list, media reports, and NCAA catastrophic insurance data. . .

The exertion-related risk of SCD in a male athlete is 1 in 38,000 (0.0026%), which is higher than the 1 in 122,000 (0.00082%) risk for a female athlete, although SCD in female athletes still accounts for 20% of all cases. African-American athlete SCD risk is 1 in 22,000 (0.0045%), which is 3× higher than the 1 in 68,000 (0.0015%) risk in a Caucasian athlete (17).

Some athlete groups are at higher risk than others. A male basketball student-athlete has an exertion-related SCD risk of 1 in 9,000 (0.011%), which is higher than any other athlete group (17).

The risk of SCD in Division I men’s basketball or in an African-American male basketball player from any division is as high as 1 in 5,200 (0.019%). Other athlete groups with higher risk than average include men’s soccer (1 in 24,000 or 0.0042%), football (1 in 36,000 or 0.0028%), and women’s cross-country (1 in 47,000 or 0.0021%) (17). Men’s basketball accounts for only 4% of male NCAA athletes, but nearly 20% of all SCD cases.

Men’s basketball and football together represent 23% of all male NCAA athletes, but those 2 sports alone account for 50% of all SCD cases. These values should be interpreted with some caution, given the low absolute number of annual SCD occurrences, which makes accurate assessment of the rate of SCD in subgroups subject to large yearly variations.

https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2016.03.527?articleid=2513587#bib15

Interesting review
 
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“The risk of SCD in Division I men’s basketball or in an African-American male basketball player from any division is as high as 1 in 5,200 (0.019%).”

so from 2003-2013 the risk was 1 in 5200 but from 2022-2023 at an institution that required vax and booster to be on campus the number is 2 in what 24-30 players?
 
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volglass said:
The risk of SCD in Division I men’s basketball or in an African-American male basketball player from any division is as high as 1 in 5,200 (0.019%).
so from 2003-2013 the risk was 1 in 5200 but from 2022-2023 at an institution that required vax and booster to be on campus the number is 2 in what 24-30 players?
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And after four days of tests and recovering in the hospital, there were no answers as to why this happened to the college freshman...

so you think you know? vaccine, covid related, took hcq or random event

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/26/sport/usc-vince-iwuchukwu-cardiac-arrest/index.html
 
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WillisWG said:
And after four days of tests and recovering in the hospital, there were no answers as to why this happened to the college freshman...

so you think you know? vaccine, covid related, took hcq or random event

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/26/sport/usc-vince-iwuchukwu-cardiac-arrest/index.html
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There were no answers made public which is much different than no answers.

If it's viral myocarditis, whether COVID or COVID vax related, I believe it'll be months before he's cleared to play or practice intensely. That'll speak for itself.

I'm certain Bronny wants badly to continue playing ball. If he chooses to risk his life (and that may not be the case at all with this event,) it's his choice though I'm unsure USC wants to be linked to that.

In keeping with this thread of wild, bizarre speculation and conspiracy, what if this was a ploy to get Bronny some kind of "hardship exemption" to get drafted to the NBA without doing the "one and done" college and avoid the NBA age issues. Wreckless, bizarre, borderline insane speculation, of course, but I've read most of this thread and it seems to fit in.
 
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ENGRVOL said:
Here is a good review paper from the American Heart Association from 2012 reporting on 100-150 cases of sudden cardiac death during just competitive sports.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.111.023861
Really stresses importance of having an AED at sporting events.
What is also interesting is that actually cardiac deaths in young people (under 35) went down last year per person
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Nope. Nope. Nope. We're going to guess that he got the vaccine and also that it is the cause because that's what we want to believe. Get outta here with all that responsible thought.
 
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VAVol85 said:
Seems like the 2021 peak could be attributed to vax, COVID, or some combination of the two effects.
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Yeah, if you want to attribute it to the vax, you still have to recognize we're talking about 50m (or whatever) vaccinations only causing a very slight blip in that age group. Is it even a statistically significant difference? Is it big enough that we can conclude it's anything other than random variance? Then you gotta consider it might be COVID itself causing that. Then you also have to consider it might relate to indirect effects from the pandemic (like shifting habits away from healthy lifestyles).
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nope. Nope. Nope. We're going to guess that he got the vaccine and also that it is the cause because that's what we want to believe. Get outta here with all that responsible thought.
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I don’t care what the cause is but it needs to be figured out. If 2 UT players in 2 freaking years had heart attacks on the court, I would want to know wtf is going on? Were they random? Is there a particular energy drink/pre workout supplement in our strength and conditioning program? Or is it that we require medication/shots that other programs don’t?
 
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I don’t care what the cause is but it needs to be figured out. If 2 UT players in 2 freaking years had heart attacks on the court, I would want to know wtf is going on? Were they random? Is there a particular energy drink/pre workout supplement in our strength and conditioning program? Or is it that we require medication/shots that other programs don’t?
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It's OK to want to know. That's not a problem
 
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WillisWG said:
Terrible assumption since you don't know him. I guess since I didn't have covid that I am in better physical condition than both of you.

I doubt you were privy to anything more than anyone else was. It is simply not true that Doctors were forced to push it OR lose their license. You should know that disciplinary action comes from state medical boards not the CDC.

That ivermectin probably helped you, or was it the hydroxychloroquine?
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Well since you were tuned to the Paid off "mainstream media" you weren't privy to anything but what was dictated by Gates & Fauci. Hospitals & Doctors were given exact guidelines as to consultation & Treatments. Remdesivir would be your choice. Nurses nicknamed it (Run, death is near) No Ivermectin Or Hydroxy, for me, just Quercetin, C, D, & Zinc. Studies show that Ivermectin is effective (And Safe) in treating and curing some Cancers. And plenty of eyewitness reports of success with covid from both patients & Doctors. So your knocking proven drugs--(Hydroxychloroquine (quinine) labeled the "Safest drug ever dispensed"; --over 60million doses-- in use since the early 1900's) reeks of lack of knowledge & probable obstinence.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Well since you were tuned to the Paid off "mainstream media" you weren't privy to anything but what was mandated by Gates & Fauci. Hospitals & Doctors were given exact guidelines as to consultation & Treatments. Remdesivir would be your choice. Nurses nicknamed it (Run, death is near) No Ivermectin Or Hydroxy, for me, just Quercetin, C, D, & Zinc . Studies show that Ivermectin is effective (And Safe) in treating and curing some Cancers. And plenty of eyewitness reports of success with covid from both patients & Doctors. So your knocking proven drugs--(Hydroxychloroquine (quinine) being labeled the "Safest drug ever dispensed"; --over 60million doses-- in use since the early 1900's) reeks of lack of knowledge.
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Another jump to conclusion. You insiders with your claims to privileged info are always such hoots. What really reeks is your self delusion that others aren't as well informed as you.

Yep I knock the non-standard use of an antiparasitic and an immunosuppressant in the prevention and treatment of covid. I am familiar with both drugs having treated our horses with ivermectin and with HCQ that a friend took for lupus. Smarter people than you or I dismissed their value for covid. I will stick with the subject experts takes rather than some radio talk show guy (Phil Valentine or Dick Farrel).

No issues with what you took or are taking but then again you did have covid twice, right? Might consider something with bit more preventative.

Edit: My last words on the subject of Bronny James. Scary stuff SCA, we may never know the cause, even if they were to discover the reason. If the family decides to share great, if they don't need to respect their privacy.
 
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WillisWG said:
Another jump to conclusion. You insiders with your claims to privileged info are always such hoots. What really reeks is your self delusion that others aren't as well informed as you.

Yep I knock the non-standard use of an antiparasitic and an immunosuppressant in the prevention and treatment of covid. I am familiar with both drugs having treated our horses with ivermectin and with HCQ that a friend took for lupus. Smarter people than you or I dismissed their value for covid. I will stick with the subject experts takes rather than some radio talk show guy (Phil Valentine or Dick Farrel).

No issues with what you took or are taking but then again you did have covid twice, right? Might consider something with bit more preventative.

Edit: My last words on the subject of Bronny James. Scary stuff SCA, we may never know the cause, even if they were to discover the reason. If the family decides to share great, if they don't need to respect their privacy.
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Well let me restate something. I HAD some bug; Flu, or whatever, recovered in a week or two, NOT TESTED (as they were as reliable as the shots) so I don't really know what I caught. However, after implementing the preventatives mentioned, I've not had so much as a head cold (2+ years) and am surrounded by hundreds of people regularly. I have relatives that took the Jab, and have had covid 5-6 times AFTER the injections; and some with serious blood clots. So, you have an agenda, I have actual evidence and common sense. Also done with you. Obstinate; yes.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Way too early to answer but the big question: should he play again? Basketball was going to be this kid's life
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Even if he doesn’t play a minute of college or professional basketball, something tells me he’ll land on his feet. It’s a scary thing but now he and his family will be able to have a previously unknown heart condition diagnosed and treated.

Edit: and of course this thread has been hijacked by vaccine nut jobs.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Even if he doesn’t play a minute of college or professional basketball, something tells me he’ll land on his feet. It’s a scary thing but now he and his family will be able to have a previously unknown heart condition diagnosed and treated.

Edit: and of course this thread has been hijacked by vaccine nut jobs.
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I hope it’s not something hereditary, congenital or chronic. Hopefully it was a one time thing and he goes on to have a long career. I mean it would be historic to see him play with his dad.
 
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