Bruce Pearl is a better basketball coach than Kevin O'Neill

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HendersonVol said:
Bruce is idiotic and may deserve to be fired over lying to the NCAA depending on the penalties. There is really no way to argue that. That hasn't been your stance on NCAA problems in the past.

He is a better coach than your friend. He had been excellent for this basketball program. You are the one who wanted him fired from day 1. That would have bypassed all the great things he's done with this program. Could someone else have accomplished them? Maybe. O'Neil didn't.

It's not the university of hatvol.
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It's damn not the University of Bodypaint. I'm just going to be glad to see fans the ilk of yourself calling around Knoxville to find a t shirt of whatever jerkwater program decides to soil themselves by bringing Pearl back in a few years.
 
#103
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SamRebel35 said:
I said he "may" be. I don't really know. That was my attempt to rationalize why someone could possibly think O'Neil is a better coach. I tend to base my opinion on overall wins, wins at the same school, and tourney wins/appearances, not the opinions of a few Pearl hating message board zombies.
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why not base it on watching the games? I'm by no means an expert but IMO there is a huge difference in intensity and discipline between the teams coached by the 2 coaches.

And by saying that I'm not a Pearl hater as many try to claim. Seriously, you can discuss things without going to extremes
 
#104
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99gator said:
O'Neill is 84-124 against conference competition in his career.

I can't believe this is even an argument
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Its unreal isn't it. It's simply because one person on this board is a personal friend of O'Neill and he sings his praises constanly, as he should with personal friends.

It's the other people that are unbelievable.
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#105
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SamRebel35 said:
You must be new to Volnation if this level of idiocy surprises you.
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are you serious? We're discussing a topic while the OP of the thread goes around quoting himself and answering his own questions. You're pointing the wrong direction
 
#106
#106
99gator said:
O'Neill is 84-124 against conference competition in his career.

I can't believe this is even an argument
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if you had a clue as to what kind of basketball team he took over at UT then you might not be jumping in so fast
 
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hatvol96 said:
It's damn not the University of Bodypaint. I'm just going to be glad to see fans the ilk of yourself calling around Knoxville to find a t shirt of whatever jerkwater program decides to soil themselves by bringing Pearl back in a few years.
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This is an absurd created straw argument by you. I am a UT fan and was before Pearl. When he leaves UT I will follow his career as an interested observer in college basketball but not root for him at all.
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allvol said:
I disagree, O'Neill's teams work hard, but they don't win much. Green brought in the bulk of his own talent (Yarbrough and Slay) so I don't think O'Neill gets credit for wins when he wasn't even the coach.
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Yeah, getting Yarbrough and Slay had nothing to do with KO signing Del Baker and creating a pipeline from The Tennessee Travelers to UT. Stick to posting empty, out of context numbers. It's your strength. I'm sure Green would have loved to have played out his tenure without Tony Harris, Isiah Victor, and C.J. Black. That would have worked out well. He could have brought in some more Terrence Woods and Andy Ikeakor types in their place.
 
#109
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utvolpj said:
are you serious? We're discussing a topic while the OP of the thread goes around quoting himself and answering his own questions. You're pointing the wrong direction
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That was a joke. Just having a little fun.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, getting Yarbrough and Slay had nothing to do with KO signing Del Baker and creating a pipeline from The Tennessee Travelers to UT. Stick to posting empty, out of context numbers. It's your strength. I'm sure Green would have loved to have played out his tenure without Tony Harris, Isiah Victor, and C.J. Black. That would have worked out well. He could have brought in some more Terrence Woods and Andy Ikeakor types in their place.
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Too bad O'Neill wasn't smart enough to stick around for all of that. His career might have taken another path than .500 lane.
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HendersonVol said:
Too bad O'Neill wasn't smart enough to stick around for all of that.
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Yeah, he could have traded over a decade in the NBA for a bunch of years putting up with Doug Dickey. That would have been a great trade.
 
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utvolpj said:
why not base it on watching the games? I'm by no means an expert but IMO there is a huge difference in intensity and discipline between the teams coached by the 2 coaches.

And by saying that I'm not a Pearl hater as many try to claim. Seriously, you can discuss things without going to extremes
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This is probably an accurate statement as far as this season is concerned, but I tend to think that this season would have gone much different had the basketball program's fate not been in question due to an investigation. I tend to look at Pearl's first 5 seasons as the norm and this season as an outlier. As far as O'Neil's career is concerned, this season (one of the best in his career) is an outlier for him as well.
 
#119
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utvolpj said:
you do know who UT's AD was at the time right?
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Why would you interject relevant information into the conversation? Let the Pearlophiles have their fun. The piece of grabage they were naive and stupid enough to buy into doesn't have much time left. Let them scream into the whirlwind. It's all they have left.
 
#120
#120
HendersonVol said:
I like you. Pearl v O'Neill is a ridiculous argument. Would you rather win or lose? It's that simple.
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I'd rather go on probation. Wait, that's not an option?

this might be more interesting- if Bruce is gone after this season (as many are predicting), is UT basketball in better shape than when KO left?
 
#122
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, he could have traded over a decade in the NBA for a bunch of years putting up with Doug Dickey. That would have been a great trade.
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Clearly he doesn't desire to be a successful head coach rather than a career assistant.

I don't have a problem with you defending him. He's your friend. You like him as a person. Ive never met him. He seems like an odd character from what I hear. That doesn't necessarily mean I have a good picture of the guy though.

Either way he's a career .500 head coach. Maybe he is better suited as an assistant. Some coaches are.
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#123
#123
HendersonVol said:
Its unreal isn't it. It's simply because one person on this board is a personal friend of O'Neill and he sings his praises constanly, as he should with personal friends.

It's the other people that are unbelievable.
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Two things. My goal is to be a college coach, I reached out to KO and he reciprocated by allowing me to watch them practice and speaking with me after practice.

I've been down to UT and watched UT practice. Enjoyed and learned some things and Coach Pearl was pretty nice.

The amount of notes I took and what I learned watching KO teach far and away exceeds what I've learned watching UT.

That's what I'm basing my opinion on.
 
#124
#124
utvolpj said:
I'd rather go on probation. Wait, that's not an option?

this might be more interesting- if Bruce is gone after this season (as many are predicting), is UT basketball in better shape than when KO left?
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KO left behind a team that a guy who couldn't get an interview at St. Bonaventure took to four straight NCAA Tournaments.

Pearl will be leaving behind a roster where Cam Tatum is the leading returning scorer.

We report, you decide.
 
#125
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Based on the eyeball test as well as the various opportunities given to coach at college and NBA levels, it appears that KO is superior. Based on results, with a pretty substantial sample size available for both, it appears that BP is the better coach. I don't really think either side can definitively win this argument, but it is interesting to look at the different ways people evaluate coaches.
 
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