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IPorange said:
SOS isn't a component anymore. In the end, that's all your argument is: opinion. There isn't a fair way to exclude Boise State from contention, and if a sport isn't fair then then it isn't a sport.
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This is my argument in a nutshell.
 
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rjd970 said:
So why not let Bama or whoever earn it from BSU? Why should they get out of having to play what could be the second best team in the country?

...hmm, let me guess, they can't control who the BCS picks?
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Even if they go undefeated, who's to say they are the second best team? Just because they beat a team ranked 11 doesnt make them the second best team when they dont play anybody else the rest of the year!
 
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IPorange said:
SOS isn't a component anymore. In the end, that's all your argument is: opinion. There isn't a fair way to exclude Boise State from contention, and if a sport isn't fair then then it isn't a sport.
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Again, you're all on your high horse about fairness, but how is it fair to bump a team who won the best conference in the nation, by winning a conference championship game no less, even if they lost once, in favor of a team who faced only one challenge in the first week of the season?
 
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IPorange said:
How many?
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I'm not so sure about Boise, but if Ohio State took their place in the WAC, they'd have to play abysmal football to lose to Fresno State, and they would have to play their worst game under Tressel to lose to any of the other teams.
 
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Bryan1 said:
Even if they go undefeated, who's to say they are the second best team? Just because they beat a team ranked 11 doesnt make them the second best team when they dont play anybody else the rest of the year!
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See, two can play at this game....

Who's to say a one loss bama or florida team is one of the best two teams in the country?

Here's the thing, in all reality, if BSU goes up against a Bama or OSU type team I would bet money they lose.

I am arguing the merits of this baseless contention that BSU isn't any good and it is a given they will lose. Such a position is based purely on opinion with no basis in fact. The FACT remains, given the rules, there is no fair way to exclude BSU from the NCG if they run the table this year. They deserve the shot, period.
 
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IPorange said:
SOS isn't a component anymore. In the end, that's all your argument is: opinion. There isn't a fair way to exclude Boise State from contention, and if a sport isn't fair then then it isn't a sport.
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Here's a totally fair way. Make the rules such that the criteria for participating in the BCSNCG include playing in a BCS AQ conference. At that point it's either join a BCS conference or too bad. Again, this isn't a charity.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Here's a totally fair way. Make the rules such that the criteria for participating in the BCSNCG include playing in a BCS AQ conference. At that point it's either join a BCS conference or too bad. Again, this isn't a charity.
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Ok, explain the criteria for being a AQ conference.
 
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rjd970 said:
See, two can play at this game....

Who's to say a one loss bama or florida team is one of the best two teams in the country?

Here's the thing, in all reality, if BSU goes up against a Bama or OSU type team I would bet money they lose.

I am arguing the merits of this baseless contention that BSU isn't any good and it is a given they will lose. Such a position is based purely on opinion with no basis in fact. The FACT remains, given the rules, there is no fair way to exclude BSU from the NCG if they run the table this year. They deserve the shot, period.
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Thats your opinion, and one I dont agree with. I guarantee you a one loss Bama or Florida team would have had to play more than one big game in the year to get there.
 
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rjd970 said:
Ok, explain the criteria for being a AQ conference.
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Simple.

SEC, Big XII, Pac 10, ACC, Big 10, Big East. That's the list, if you didn't play in one of those conferences, your schedule speaks for itself. You didn't play enough quality competition to deserve a shot at a NC.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Simple.

SEC, Big XII, Pac 10, ACC, Big 10, Big East. That's the list, if you didn't play in one of those conferences, your schedule speaks for itself. You didn't play enough quality competition to deserve a shot at a NC.
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:lolabove:

You call that a "totally fair way"? Just declare which conferences are eligible? I guess ND is SOL even if they go undefeated.
 
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rjd970 said:
:lolabove:

You call that a "totally fair way"? Just declare which conferences are eligible? I guess ND is SOL even if they go undefeated.
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They've been given opportunites to join a conference on multiple occasions. Even still, at least their history dictates that they play some actual competition, even as an independent.

Also, that way is as fair as saying, "everyone is eligible, no matter no pathetic your schedule is, teams that take on a challenge can all just go to hell".
 
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Hell, why even play the games. Let's just "declare" whoever is #1 in the preseason the NC.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
They've been given opportunites to join a conference on multiple occasions. Even still, at least their history dictates that they play some actual competition, even as an independent.

Also, that way is as fair as saying, "everyone is eligible, no matter no pathetic your schedule is".
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The problem with your logic is... saying 'If you win every game, you're ELIGIBLE' is completely fair.

Saying "You can win every game and not be eligible.." isn't.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
They've been given opportunites to join a conference on multiple occasions. Even still, at least their history dictates that they play some actual competition, even as an independent.

Also, that way is as fair as saying, "everyone is eligible, no matter no pathetic your schedule is, teams that take on a challenge can all just go to hell".
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I see, so now history has some sort of bearing on how good a team is.

This is an absurd argument.
 
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rjd970 said:
I see...so the rules are only valid when they work in your favor. When they actually work like they should the system needs to be scrapped. Beautiful.

I, on the other hand, have a feeling it will be the catalyst for an even more unfair system.
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I have thought (and said) for years a playoff will lead to a much more unfair (can you say teevee ratings, boys and girls?) system than anything the BCS can devise.
 
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rjd970 said:
Hell, why even play the games. Let's just "declare" whoever is #1 in the preseason the NC.
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With Boise that's a good idea. The rest of their games are mere formalities, and it would likely keep several kids from getting hurt. They've already won every real game they'll play all year.
 
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rjd970 said:
I see, so now history has some sort of bearing on how good a team is.

This is an absurd argument.
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I'm not saying their history makes them better or worse. All I meant was that at least their traditional rivalries keep some semblence of real competition on the schedule year after year.
 
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The BCS system was set up with TV ratings and money in mind. Implying that it is fair is beyond silly.
 
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Boise has not been given the opportunity to join a BCS conference; I'm sure they'd have gone to an AQ conference over the MWC if it were at all possible.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
They've been given opportunites to join a conference on multiple occasions. Even still, at least their history dictates that they play some actual competition, even as an independent.

Also, that way is as fair as saying, "everyone is eligible, no matter no pathetic your schedule is, teams that take on a challenge can all just go to hell".
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Your argument makes no sense. There are plenty of programs out there that could beat a BCS conference champ every season for eternity and never get invited. Boise is one of them.

What's the point of even having FBS division when half the teams in it could never win the championship?

The point of the BCS is to put the two best teams together to determine the best.

At the seasons end, the voters may very well decide that Boise is one of the two best teams in the country, and that does not necessarily have anything to do with the schedule they played.

Likewise, if Alabama were to play in C-USA and win every game by 50, they'd still be one of the two best teams because they are still Alabama.
 
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