BTO’s Ole Miss Postgame Report

#126
#126
bleedingTNorange said:
My point by that is that Phillips is very much natural 4 imo, in todays game…if majority of 4’s in P5 are around that size doesn’t that mean that’s just what it is and not that it’s undersized or out of position? James is 6’6” and does very well rebounding the ball…
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Phillips does very well rebounding the ball, too. He leads the team in rebounding. The original argument wasn't about what Phillips is doing. It's about what Nkamhoua isn't doing, or at least doing consistently well.
 
#127
#127
cncchris33 said:
Phillips does very well rebounding the ball, too. He leads the team in rebounding. The original argument wasn't about what Phillips is doing. It's about what Nkamhoua isn't doing, or at least doing consistently well.
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And I’ve stated my opinion, as a 4 I think he’s fine as a rebounder, could be better, could be worse, guess I would say average. I brought up Phillips because their rebounding numbers are very similar and both are playing most of their minutes as a 4, so in the system the opportunities for rebounds should be very similar…yet nobody really seemed to be mentioning Phillips as needing to rebound better as most are Nkamhoua, that’s all.

In this post you just described Phillips as rebounding “very well” while seemingly knocking Nkamhoua rebounding yet they are playing similar positional minutes and rebounding similarly, that was my point.
 
#128
#128
bleedingTNorange said:
And I’ve stated my opinion, as a 4 I think he’s fine as a rebounder, could be better, could be worse, guess I would say average. I brought up Phillips because their rebounding numbers are very similar and both are playing most of their minutes as a 4, so in the system the opportunities for rebounds should be very similar…yet nobody really seemed to be mentioning Phillips as needing to rebound better as most are Nkamhoua, that’s all.







In this post you just described Phillips as rebounding “very well” while seemingly knocking Nkamhoua rebounding yet they are playing similar positional minutes and rebounding similarly, that was my point.
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Phillips is an inch shorter, 40 pounds lighter, and 3.5 years younger than Nkamhoua. Given his physical limitations, freshman Julian Phillips is doing just fine on the boards. Senior Olivier Nkamhoua should be doing more with his experience and advanced physical profile playing his natural spot on the floor. It really is that simple

Your shilling for Nkamhoua is not all that different from Thunder's shilling for Plavsic that you've argued all day over.
 
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#129
#129
cncchris33 said:
Phillips is an inch shorter, 40 pounds lighter, and 3.5 years younger than Nkamhoua. Given his physical limitations, freshman Julian Phillips is doing just fine on the boards. Senior Olivier Nkamhoua should be doing more with his experience and advanced physical profile playing his natural spot on the floor. It really is that simple

Your shilling for Nkamhoua is not all that different from Thunder's shilling for Plavsic that you've argued all day over.
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Lmao at taking anything I’ve said about Nkamhoua as a shilling, literally just called him average, what a reach.
 
#132
#132
There was a period in last night's game in the second half maybe between the 15 and 5 minute mark, that I said to myself ... ZZ and JA are just taking this game over defensively and on the boards. They both just had a phenomenal stretch right in there.
 
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#133
rdk4121 said:
He's our second leading rebounder on the year, given the minutes he plays I'd certainly like to see that number climb a little more per game, but he's certainly not a poor rebounder. Rebounding in general for our team is just not a weakness (particularly with guys like Aidoo and Awaka around).
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My issue with ON is his disappearance on the boards in too many games.

Tn Tech 2 rebounds
FGCU 1 rebound
Butler 1 rebound
Ole Miss 1 rebound

Never know what you might get game-to-game.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm talking about your historical affection for him manifesting itself in this discussion. Not a reach, at all.
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I could go into his low motor, his bad decision making with the ball, among other things. I think Barnes is disappointed because of his extreme inconsistencies. Barnes knows what he’s capable of, so the fact he’s not performing up to his capabilities hurts.
 
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#137
cncchris33 said:
I'm talking about your historical affection for him manifesting itself in this discussion. Not a reach, at all.
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I agree with Chris. You defend ON more than anybody. Santi gives twice the effort as ON, when it comes to rebounding and only averages half a rebound per game less, while being out of position because he leads the team in 3 attempts. Plus, ON's basketball IQ sometimes seems non-existent. We need ON to getta clue, especially when it comes to all the stupid fouls he makes. Everybody bitches about Plavsic not attacking the rim, but it seems like every shot Olivier takes, is a fall-a-way jumper
 
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#138
The Dog said:
I agree with Chris. You defend ON more than anybody. Santi gives twice the effort as ON, when it comes to rebounding and only averages half a rebound per game less, while being out of position because he leads the team in 3 attempts. Plus, ON's basketball IQ sometimes seems non-existent. We need ON to getta clue, especially when it comes to all the stupid fouls he makes. Everybody bitches about Plavsic not attacking the rim, but it seems like every shot Olivier takes, is a fall-a-way jumper
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Still funny to me that calling him average is seen as some ridiculous defense of him lol. Again, more 4 than 5, more finesse than power…unlike Uros he can hit those fadeaway or 3’s. He’s not perfect by any means, or close to it, but he’s very likely our best offensive post option.
 
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#139
#139
With JJJ out, I see Key as being the player that really needs to step up. He has the ability but appears to be pressing a little. Another shooter would help SV and ZZ immensely - as well as keeping his defender from dropping down and helping on the inside.
 
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#140
bleedingTNorange said:
Still funny to me that calling him average is seen as some ridiculous defense of him lol. Again, more 4 than 5, more finesse than power…unlike Uros he can hit those fadeaway or 3’s. He’s not perfect by any means, or close to it, but he’s very likely our best offensive post option.
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It isn't you calling him average that is in question. That's simply stating the obvious. It's your propensity for generating a defense that excuses him to be average based on the premise that the other guys...younger, inexperienced guys playing outside of their natural position...aren't outproducing him, so him being average is somehow acceptable.

I mean, explicit or not, that's essentially what you've said.
 
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#141
VOLED said:
With JJJ out, I see Key as being the player that really needs to step up. He has the ability but appears to be pressing a little. Another shooter would help SV and ZZ immensely - as well as keeping his defender from dropping down and helping on the inside.
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I was hoping Key would be that guy who would take the heat off our other shooters, but yes, I agree he is pressing.
 
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#142
At this point, I'm not sure what to expect from our offense. I know last year we looked awful on offense during this time as well.

Just really needed JJJ to get better m, that will help matters.

Key and Phillips need to be bigger factors
 
#143
#143
cncchris33 said:
It isn't you calling him average that is in question. That's simply stating the obvious. It's your propensity for generating a defense that excuses him to be average based on the premise that the other guys...younger, inexperienced guys playing outside of their natural position...aren't outproducing him, so him being average is somehow acceptable.

I mean, explicit or not, that's essentially what you've said.
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He’s a decent rebounder for a 4, and if we are going to criticize his rebounding as a 4 then Phillips should also be mentioned in that discussion as room for improvement as well, that’s literally all I was saying. Good lord.
 
#144
#144
bleedingTNorange said:
On the year:
Nkamhoua 330mins 141pts 63rbds 26to 12blk
Aidoo 183mins 51pts 57rbds 8to 11blk
Plavsic 158mins 56pts 47rbds 12to 3blk
Awaka 76mins 25pts 41rbds 4to 3blk

It seems pretty clear that at best Plavsic is the 3rd best big of the group, and very likely especially of late the 4th best as Awaka has played better. Add in the fact that Awaka has 3.5 years of eligibility left and is a true freshman as compared to Plavsic having 1 year left and is already a 5th year senior and I think it’s fair for folks to want to see Plavsic slide to the back end of that group and take that role. Nobody is saying they want him off the team or never to step foot on the floor again, but there’s quite a bit of evidence to suggest that he is our 4th best post option right now and typically teams don’t start both halves with a 4th best guy at a position starting on purpose.



And yet all of the guys you mentioned have still played better than Plavsic…Phillips has absolutely struggled but the lightbulb coming on for a true freshman with his talent level seems much more likely than a 24 year old in his 5th year of college basketball, don’t you think?
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From my perspective, comparing player’s total game and then declaring them as 1,2,3,etc isn’t what makes a team. Finding what each player does well and highlighting that trait while they’re in the game is what makes a good coach. Aidoo has an exceptional long reach that allows him to challenge shots in the paint best on the team. Uros is the biggest body on the team and was the only guy who could not be bullied by Arizona’s center. Awaka is an impressive rebounder but the rest of his game still has to catch up. ON has good skills but is wildly inconsistent. We don’t have a team full of all Americans - not sure if we have anybody who will play in the NBA. But, when Barnes gets the best out of them and has them playing as a team then they are a tough out.

I don’t enjoy folks dogging on our players and the only reason I pointed out the short comings of others besides Uros was to bring attention to the fact that Uros gets an unwarranted amount of criticism on this forum. JMO, TIFWIW, AARP
 
#145
#145
Arnes just needs to get a physical center. He has struggled to get a big man that is a beat under the rim.

I'm talking like Kofi Cockburn types.
 
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