Bump Infraction

#52
#52
utvolpj said:
which still won't lessen the blow from the rest of the letter. It's like thinking the smoke machine incident is what caused Kiffin's downfall
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I don't doubt it. I would think/hope UT is working with the NCAA currently to get a form of a "plea agreement" done before they have to go before the committee of appeals.
 
#53
#53
Orange Blazer said:
I don't doubt it. I would think/hope UT is working with the NCAA currently to get a form of a "plea agreement" done before they have to go before the committee of appeals.
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Do they allow such? If so will there be a 1,000 lb gorilla in the room?
 
#55
#55
Orange Blazer said:
They do allow it, I can't remember what it is called though.
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If thats the case. i see somebody having to fall on a sword at some point. i still say Bruce's best option is to resign and maybe lessen he sting for all those involved and I think that option helps his cause down the road.
 
#56
#56
cd12 said:
If thats the case. i see somebody having to fall on a sword at some point. i still say Bruce's best option is to resign and maybe lessen he sting for all those involved and I think that option helps his cause down the road.
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It very well may be best for Bruce to resign. He definitely doesn't deserve to be at UT anymore.
 
#57
#57
Compliance dept investigated and didn't report because they didn't deem it a violation. That's why they will appeal.
 
#58
#58
That seems to be a big discrepancy, the school doesn't think it's a violation and the NCAA views it a major.
 
#59
#59
Pearl and Jones told compliance right after it happened that Adams initiated the conversation and they only exchanged pleasantries, which wouldn't be a violation. That's why it wasn't self reported. Either way it shouldn't be major.
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#60
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volwarrior33 said:
Pearl and Jones told compliance right after it happened that Adams initiated the conversation and they only exchanged pleasantries, which wouldn't be a violation. That's why it wasn't self reported. Either way it shouldn't be major.
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From what i got from the article is that UT doesn't think the charge will stick. Seems like it happens all the time. Equate it to going over the speed limit for a minute before realizing you're going to fast and slow it down on your own. This type of violation is vastly uncontrolled, unenforced and therefore, not a big deal.
 
#61
#61
volwarrior33 said:
Pearl and Jones told compliance right after it happened that Adams initiated the conversation and they only exchanged pleasantries, Posted via VolNation Mobile
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If that is a fact, it is great. The bump is what worries me the most about supporting BP. If he cried and turned around and broke the rules 4 days later it would be hard to accept.
 
#62
#62
volwarrior33 said:
Pearl and Jones told compliance right after it happened that Adams initiated the conversation and they only exchanged pleasantries, which wouldn't be a violation. That's why it wasn't self reported. Either way it shouldn't be major.
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Why am I not surprised? It was actually the kid's fault. It would have been impossible to say I can only say Hi due to NCAA rules. Since Pearl has no credibility issues, I'm sure the NCAA will accept his version and agree that no violation occurred.
 
#63
#63
IIRC, UT has to answer the letter. They can plead no contest to each charge/violation, or give their interpretation of the incident. For them to ignore the letter, or not answer would be unthinkable.
 
#64
#64
BasketvolsFan said:
Why am I not surprised? It was actually the kid's fault. It would have been impossible to say I can only say Hi due to NCAA rules. Since Pearl has no credibility issues, I'm sure the NCAA will accept his version and agree that no violation occurred.
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How can the NCAA prove it? And it's certainly not unrealistic to think that the kid started the conversation.
 
#65
#65
volwarrior33 said:
Pearl and Jones told compliance right after it happened that Adams initiated the conversation and they only exchanged pleasantries, which wouldn't be a violation. That's why it wasn't self reported. Either way it shouldn't be major.
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My worry is that Pearl and Jones' version of events are not actually what happened. I fail to see if that's all that there was to it why the NCAA would allege a major violation had occurred. There has to be more to it than that.
 
#66
#66
Sudeepvol said:
How can the NCAA prove it? And it's certainly not unrealistic to think that the kid started the conversation.
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They don't have to conclusively prove it. I believe it's a preponderance of the evidence standard, which means they only have to prove that it is more likely that Pearl and Jones committed a violation than not. My opinion is that there is some strong circumstantial evidence that tends to show Pearl orchestrated "the bump."
 
#67
#67
Bruce probably is telling the NCAA that he was at his house with a couple of recruits...oh wait that can't be right
 
#68
#68
Sudeepvol said:
How can the NCAA prove it? And it's certainly not unrealistic to think that the kid started the conversation.
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It would not be in the letter of allegations as a major violation unless the NCAA had a different version of what took place. Pearl's problem after lying is that his version of any event will be taken with a grain of salt. Even if the kid did start the conversation, Pearl should have ended it without committing a violation. He was the adult. I really don't think the NCAA will want to hear that it was really the kid's fault.
 
#69
#69
volwarrior33 said:
Pearl and Jones told compliance right after it happened that Adams initiated the conversation and they only exchanged pleasantries, which wouldn't be a violation. That's why it wasn't self reported. Either way it shouldn't be major.
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Well Pearl has certainly earned our trust, I totally believe him.
 
#71
#71
Good grief, it isn't that hard to believe that Pearl's version is the story. Hell, the NCAA version has it timed at 2-3 minutes as it is. I would think it to be entirely within the realm of possibility to consider such a short "meeting" an exchange of pleasantries. Is there some kind of stopwatch to determine the length? When does exchanging pleasantries become an actual violation? Are there key words?

I find it hard to believe that Pearl would commit a blatant violation knowing the NCAA is checking closely, go back to UT and then self-report a violation so soon after the press conference.
 
#73
#73
Unimane said:
Good grief, it isn't that hard to believe that Pearl's version is the story.
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Sure it is. Look at the other things Pearl has lied about. If it was as innocent as Pearl said, I find it very, very hard to believe that they'd be slapped with a Major Violation.
 
#75
#75
LawVol13 said:
Sure it is. Look at the other things Pearl has lied about. If it was as innocent as Pearl said, I find it very, very hard to believe that they'd be slapped with a Major Violation.
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He lied about one specific incident. He hasn't been a habitual liar in his time here. Plus, it's not like this thing wasn't easily verifiable by the NCAA on top of which he knew he was being closely monitored and two-three minutes being pretty a subjective timeframe, anyway. I find it hard to believe he would lie about this compounded by the fact that the evidence shown by all parties shows his story is completely plausible, if not likely.
 
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