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Behr said:
Thats fine with me, for you. I don't need the bible or religion to be a "morally sound" individual, but I know by reading the bible on a regular basis, I become a better person daily. If that translates to you thinking Im weak, that's okay too. I ain't perfect and everyone around me benefits from it.
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Hey man, I'm glad you become a better person a daily and your beliefs help that. I respect that, and that's not weak. In the end its all about what kind of a person you are. I'm an open minded individual
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Hey man, I'm glad you become a better person a daily and your beliefs help that. I respect that, and that's not weak. In the end its all about what kind of a person you are. I'm an open minded individual
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Yea, I'm not even sure where that came from, it just typed itself. Haha.
 
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OneVolNation said:
A book written and thought up by a man?

For all the prophecies hundreds of years apart to be fulfilled in Christ, that must have been some man, right?

Hardly.

Holy prophets and apostles called by God were under the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit's words to be recorded as scripture, words spoken to and through them by God Himself. They were only human vessels obediently surrendered to the will and purposes of God as the Spirit of Truth used their bodies as instruments of God to record His word for man.

That's not just my opinion because it's not up for opinion or private interpretation. That's the authoritative word of God on the matter as He wrote very plainly about it in the scriptures Himself so that there could be no confusion:


2 Peter 1:20-21

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

And more on it here:

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


The Lord has provided the answers in His word. Forming one's "own opinion" about the origin of scripture when the author Himself already clearly explained the process and that it's not open to private interpretation or opinions would be a grave error.
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Yipes. Your all in. What are your thoughts on Nostradamus? So God said that if I don't agree with the Bible jargon he or He will be threatening to me? Scary. Oh well. That's the chance I will take. Lol.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
And prayer at ball games doesn't bother me. Doesn't mean praying to another religion wouldn't irritate a good amount of Christians. It would, just like some atheists are annoyed by prayer at games in general. Me personally it has no effect on me I just stand there with my eyes open etc doesn't hurt me in any way. Not everyone is like me and you though
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The reaction to a Imam leading a prayer before a game in Neyland would not be pretty.
 
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bray2milton said:
Yipes. Your all in. What are your thoughts on Nostradamus? So God said that if I don't agree with the Bible jargon he or He will be threatening to me? Scary. Oh well. That's the chance I will take. Lol.
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I don't think jargon is necessary, just a sincere heart that seeks the Lord. I don't think God will be threatening to you for not knowing or understanding the bible. More than anything He loves you like his only son and is patient and merciful. I believe He would love to reveal His truth to your spirit through the Holy Spirit's illumination of scripture as you read and study your bible.

I'm not all that familiar with Nostradamus except for what I've read and heard about some of his predictions.
I'd have to study him more before I'd be ready for a meaningful discussion about him.
 
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jakez4ut said:
literal interpretations of the bible (or any holy text for that matter) have been getting people in trouble for a very, very long time.

it's an assumption, and a poor one, that people that have faith, or that christians in general, take each verse literally, and act accordingly.

someone said it earlier in the thread....there's a reason there's an old testament and a new testament, and something that shouldn't be lost on anyone, believer or not, is that all of it was written by man, no matter how "divinely inspired" it may be. at best it's still man's interpretation of God's word.

it's still a choice as to what you get out of it. not everyone chooses wisely. those same extreme religious right that take it literally as THE word of the Lord, and act on it as literally described (yes, there are people out there that use ultra right christian beliefs as a basis for all kinds of very un christian things--racial genocide, polygamy, sexism, slavery etc...)..., are no different than muslim extremists that believe killing all the infidels is THE literal word of Allah.

these people are basically the same, as far as their "wiring" goes, and if you want to categorize those type of people as weak minded, you'll find agreement here.

past that.....that i pray, that i may go to church, that i raise my kids that way....my choice because i can decide on my own what to believe, and what not to.

it is, has been, and will always be short sighted to manage any of these groups by exception, when by far, the majority of people that believe in God, Allah, Buddah, or whatever, do it for the right reasons.

you can cherry pick verses from any religious text and find the same things, ie, baby slaying. doesn't mean there's not any merit to the religion as a whole, and doesn't mean that everyone that believes in it is going to slay said babies or kill "infidels".

not allowing for "times a changin'" is really the same issue when people use, say, 2nd amendment to justify why they need an arsenal at home. factoring in the time the amendment was written, the right to bear arms meant something completely different 200 years ago than it does today.

i think the same can be said of a text written 2000 years ago.

and just for the record, i'm a gun owner, and i'd prefer to keep them. i'm not trying to start a tangent discussion, just using it as an example of why literal meaning of text written by human beings can, and usually should, actually change over time.
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Very well said, sir :hi:
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Atheism isn't a religion we don't worship anything nor do we attend any services to worship.
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Straw argument. Religion is not primarily a form of worship. Religion is primarily a set of beliefs. If you disagree, you disagree with every accredited dictionary in the world.
 
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It's not important and I'm sure he'll say he did it on purpose, but I see/hear it happen all the time and I just have to laugh......

"It's not 1850, it's 2017, and the United States--thank god!--is not the Philippines."

Quoted from self proclaimed atheist.
 
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volmoon said:
Straw argument. Religion is not primarily a form of worship. Religion is primarily a set of beliefs. If you disagree, you disagree with every accredited dictionary in the world.
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I guess politics are religious beliefs too then. Liberalism republicanism democratism. Religion is defined as the belief in a superhuman such as a god. Last time I checked atheism doesn't have a God. It's not a religion it's a label on a person who doesn't have a religion
 
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bray2milton said:
None of that does a thing for me. No offense but in my opinion the Bible is a book written and thought up by a man. Like you and me. No different than a fairytale. If it helps you sleep at night to abide to what that book says I am happy for you. I sleep well knowing that I live my life in a beneficial way for my friends, family and myself. I don't need a book to tell me how to do that.
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Which one of the 40? Moses, David, Jeremiah, Peter, Paul? During which of the 1600 cumulative years?
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
I guess politics are religious beliefs too then. Liberalism republicanism democratism. Religion is defined as the belief in a superhuman such as a god. Last time I checked atheism doesn't have a God. It's not a religion it's a label on a person who doesn't have a religion
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No offense intended. Just was giving the standard dictionary definition of "religion." As for "atheism," "The doctrine or belief that there is no God. Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." Again, a belief system.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
As you seriously saying you need religion to be moral? If you are being good to others for some eternal reward or fear of some eternal punishment then your moral compass doesn't exist.

People can believe whatever they want and if faith gives you strength then by all means have at it Hoss but guess what you don't have to believe in some all powerful being to be a good person.

Doing good things and helping others is it's own reward.
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Religion certainly is a foundation for morality. But it is not the only source. So, no, I didn't say you need religion to be moral. Sorry if you can't comprehend that.

So "Hoss", where do you set your moral foundation? The nut cakes on the Hill pushing for gender neutral pronouns and removing Christ from Christmas probably believe they are "doing good things and helping others".
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Religion certainly is a foundation for morality. But it is not the only source. So, no, I didn't say you need religion to be moral. Sorry if you can't comprehend that.

So "Hoss", where do you set your moral foundation? The nut cakes on the Hill pushing for gender neutral pronouns and removing Christ from Christmas probably believe they are "doing good things and helping others".
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The sassy is strong with this one. Nut cakes? You mean a person who doesn't share your opinion?
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
I guess politics are religious beliefs too then. Liberalism republicanism democratism. Religion is defined as the belief in a superhuman such as a god. Last time I checked atheism doesn't have a God. It's not a religion it's a label on a person who doesn't have a religion
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Depends. Naturalism is certainly a worldview.
 
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People who kill, rape, cheat, lie, steal that say "god is my judge" or "god has forgiven me". Are people who lack the intestinal fortitude to take responsibility for their actions. Hence my crutch statement at the beginning of this thread. Sad really.
 
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volmoon said:
No offense intended. Just was giving the standard dictionary definition of "religion." As for "atheism," "The doctrine or belief that there is no God. Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." Again, a belief system.
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No offense taken buddy. I don't mind a little debate. We will just have to agree to disagree although I do see whay you're saying. It's just to me in order for it to be a religion you have to be able to practice it, worship it, etc
 
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bray2milton said:
People who kill, rape, cheat, lie, steal that say "god is my judge" or "god has forgiven me". Are people who lack the intestinal fortitude to take responsibility for their actions. Hence my crutch statement at the beginning of this thread. Sad really.
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Those are my favorite. Oh I just murdered my family but it's alright I'll ask for forgiveness haha
 
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