Butch Jones embraces team chaplain Tim Miller

[Behr]

The theory of evolution would take 10 pages of text to explain my understanding of that theory. But I'm guessing you're not actually asking me to provide that lol.
*If that theory were correct, the monkeys to humans thing is no different than why some primates are monkeys.. and some primates are apes.. and some primates are humans.

My understanding of the theory is that Darwin made the realization that any animal separated by geographical location or independent need, will develop its own skills and traits to cope with said environment. Over an extended period of time, those traits continue to develop into a new species. Even under creationism, the evolution of human traits and minds is accepted, except by groups such as young earthers. As in human fossils we have found, have shown distinct differences in build and muscular tone according to their needs at the time.
Even today, longtime residents of places like Alaska or Siberia, show a much slower rate of heat loss on a thermal camera when taken from a warm environment to a cool environment, compared to those of us who live in a modern conditioned environment. I.e. their bodies have evolved or adapted (whichever term you prefer) but changed from ours, according to their environment.
That has happened in an extremely short amount of time. So I could see the possibility of a complete transformation over a much longer period of time. We shouldn't see that now given our communication and interactions with these isolated groups.

Or, that could be nothing more than simple adaptation with no relation to evolution.

Once again, I am in no way promoting creationism or evolution. Not because I'm afraid of taking a stance, but because I am completely humbled by the question. Some pick a side and go with it, I listen to and read both sides equally and just don't know the answer. You have to have a certain amount of faith in either one. I'm just in awe personally. If I ever feel certain I have the answer, I will state as much. That day is not today

:good!:

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

You are right about different faiths exist. But their is only 1 truth of how life happened. And the rest of the faiths are false.

Who made God you ask. That's a logical question. God spoke through many prophets and apostles and told them that He is the eternal God. He is the beginning and the end. So to answer the question....no one created God according to the prophets....whom God spoke to or through.

Other religions say the exact same thing about your religion too. Also none of that explanation is logical at all he's the beginning and the end? None of it makes sense

 

[Kristy*]

The theory of evolution would take 10 pages of text to explain my understanding of that theory. But I'm guessing you're not actually asking me to provide that lol.
*If that theory were correct, the monkeys to humans thing is no different than why some primates are monkeys.. and some primates are apes.. and some primates are humans.

My understanding of the theory is that Darwin made the realization that any animal separated by geographical location or independent need, will develop its own skills and traits to cope with said environment. Over an extended period of time, those traits continue to develop into a new species. Even under creationism, the evolution of human traits and minds is accepted, except by groups such as young earthers. As in human fossils we have found, have shown distinct differences in build and muscular tone according to their needs at the time.
Even today, longtime residents of places like Alaska or Siberia, show a much slower rate of heat loss on a thermal camera when taken from a warm environment to a cool environment, compared to those of us who live in a modern conditioned environment. I.e. their bodies have evolved or adapted (whichever term you prefer) but changed from ours, according to their environment.
That has happened in an extremely short amount of time. So I could see the possibility of a complete transformation over a much longer period of time. We shouldn't see that now given our communication and interactions with these isolated groups.

Or, that could be nothing more than simple adaptation with no relation to evolution.

Once again, I am in no way promoting creationism or evolution. Not because I'm afraid of taking a stance, but because I am completely humbled by the question. Some pick a side and go with it, I listen to and read both sides equally and just don't know the answer. You have to have a certain amount of faith in either one. I'm just in awe personally. If I ever feel certain I have the answer, I will state as much. That day is not today

I actually was, lol. I wasn't trying to be a smart ass in any way. I agree that people adapt. No qualms there. Are there explanations from evolutionists on how advanced life was formed?

I agree that either belief requires a certain amount of faith. Good assessment. I certainly don't have all the answers either, but I hope to have the answers to some of my questions one day.

 

[kayakonthefly]

The theory of evolution would take 10 pages of text to explain my understanding of that theory. But I'm guessing you're not actually asking me to provide that lol.
*If that theory were correct, the monkeys to humans thing is no different than why some primates are monkeys.. and some primates are apes.. and some primates are humans.

My understanding of the theory is that Darwin made the realization that any animal separated by geographical location or independent need, will develop its own skills and traits to cope with said environment. Over an extended period of time, those traits continue to develop into a new species. Even under creationism, the evolution of human traits and minds is accepted, except by groups such as young earthers. As in human fossils we have found, have shown distinct differences in build and muscular tone according to their needs at the time.
Even today, longtime residents of places like Alaska or Siberia, show a much slower rate of heat loss on a thermal camera when taken from a warm environment to a cool environment, compared to those of us who live in a modern conditioned environment. I.e. their bodies have evolved or adapted (whichever term you prefer) but changed from ours, according to their environment.
That has happened in an extremely short amount of time. So I could see the possibility of a complete transformation over a much longer period of time. We shouldn't see that now given our communication and interactions with these isolated groups.

Or, that could be nothing more than simple adaptation with no relation to evolution.

Once again, I am in no way promoting creationism or evolution. Not because I'm afraid of taking a stance, but because I am completely humbled by the question. Some pick a side and go with it, I listen to and read both sides equally and just don't know the answer. You have to have a certain amount of faith in either one. I'm just in awe personally. If I ever feel certain I have the answer, I will state as much. That day is not today

Combination. Long enough adaptation leads to evolution. Just my uneducated opinion. There was a study done on mice where they associated a smell with electric shock and a couple of generations down, the odor still triggered a fear response. So if outside environmental factors can affect DNA small scale that rapidly, I can imagine how it would be affected with exposures over long periods of time and multiple generations.

 

[chargervol]

:good!:

Awe, you make this place so much more Behrable.



Now excuse me while I peel the cheese off my fingers for the next 30 minutes for actually typing that pow.

 

[chargervol]

I actually was, lol. I wasn't trying to be a smart ass in any way. I agree that people adapt. No qualms there. Are there explanations from evolutionists on how advanced life was formed?

I agree that either belief requires a certain amount of faith. Good assessment. I certainly don't have all the answers either, but I hope to have the answers to some of my questions one day.

I know you weren't, it's all good.
It's just the trail from microorganisms to advanced life would be almost as long and require as much context as the King James VOB. The short version is just that things adapt, they memorize that adaptation, and build off of it. Eventually culminating in where we are when the question is asked.
Not much different than early humans in creationism learning the use of tools versus us being on the internet at this current moment. Just a building process but over a much longer expanse of time.

But once again, I am only explaining the theory, not my personal beliefs.

 

[TBALLVOL]

Check out the "Atheist Delusion" by Ray Comfort on You-tube. Very interesting and entertaining.

 

[jakez4ut]

Other religions say the exact same thing about your religion too. Also none of that explanation is logical at all he's the beginning and the end? None of it makes sense

not related to the post you were responding to, but, that's why the call it faith. :thumbsup:

cliche to say, but it is a pretty good leap to go from what you can't explain, nor being able to have it explained to you in a tangible, logical manner, to accepting it.

that's the gap.

 

[chargervol]

Combination. Long enough adaptation leads to evolution. Just my uneducated opinion. There was a study done on mice where they associated a smell with electric shock and a couple of generations down, the odor still triggered a fear response. So if outside environmental factors can affect DNA small scale that rapidly, I can imagine how it would be affected with exposures over long periods of time and multiple generations.

And that is why I love science.
For some, it may always be linked to to this kind of debate.
My fascination with science is less focused on our origins and more on how amazing everything in our universe is.

Regardless of how it came to be.

 

[Kristy*]

I know you weren't, it's all good.
It's just the trail from microorganisms to advanced life would be almost as long and require as much context as the King James VOB. The short version is just that things adapt, they memorize that adaptation, and build off of it. Eventually culminating in where we are when the question is asked.
Not much different than early humans in creationism learning the use of tools versus us being on the internet at this current moment. Just a building process but over a much longer expanse of time.

But once again, I am only explaining the theory, not my personal beliefs.

That's an interesting theory. So, microorganisms evolved into the species we have today. Some went in the more advanced human form while others became mice, sloths, etc. Why are there not an infinite number of species, if everything was evolving at it's own pace? And how did each species survive? - How did two of the same species (one of each sex) know to evolve at the same time and in the same way (other than sex) to allow for reproduction and species continuation?

 

[techdude2017]

That's one theory that tends to point to his methods more than his findings.

You know nothing about me, yet you assume that I wouldn't read something. I'm open minded and well-educated. I know God exists, yet I'm not attacking anyone here. Someone posed a question, and I guess I took the bait by answering.

Well I'm sorry, you actually seem like a pretty good person (just from reading these posts), but you are spreading misinformation without doing research. If you actually read and understood the article, your first paragraph wouldn't exist because you would know that carbon dating any fossil older than 50,000 years is a methodology that leads to incorrect results. It literally took me less than 10 seconds of searching, so I can't help but question how much time you spent on it.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

not related to the post you were responding to, but, that's why the call it faith. :thumbsup:

cliche to say, but it is a pretty good leap to go from what you can't explain, nor being able to have it explained to you in a tangible, logical manner, to accepting it.

that's the gap.

Yeah I understand that but faith just doesn't do it for me. My brain won't allow me to believe something that in my opinion doesn't make sense. I truthfully can't help it I just can't. I can't just say well I've got nothing to lose by believing I've tried that, I just can't do it man everyone's brain works differently

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Alright so if at ball games they prayed to Buddha you don't think Christians would make a huge fuss over it? Surely you don't believe that. Just don't pray Buddha with them right? It's okay then.

Can't say how many places I've been where several religions or sects were represented.
Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist.

You don't see that many Buddists caring about prayer at public functions. I have a Buddist cousin who teaches the basics of one of the Buddist schisms in Carolina. If I remember, I think I'll ask him what he thinks of public Buddist prayer before events next time we're together.

 

[jakez4ut]

That's an interesting theory. So, microorganisms evolved into the species we have today. Some went in the more advanced human form while others became mice, sloths, etc. Why are there not an infinite number of species, if everything was evolving at it's own pace? And how did each species survive? - How did two of the same species (one of each sex) know to evolve at the same time and in the same way (other than sex) to allow for reproduction and species continuation?

not sure about infinite, but they're finding new species of animals, fairly regularly. i've always found it very interesting that in all of human history, and even with today's advances in science, that there's apparently still so much out there we don't know about what's out there on this planet.

i forget where i saw it, but i believe just in the last few years they found a new species of frog living in a rain forest in South America. crazy. (sorry no link, saw it on tv a while ago)

and with the new technologies enabling scientists to go deeper and deeper to the ocean floors, there's things down there living in an environment that many thought until recently (last 30-50 years) unlivable.

stuff living off carbon dioxide, no light, super extreme heat and pressures...crazy stuff.

 

[chargervol]

That's an interesting theory. So, microorganisms evolved into the species we have today. Some went in the more advanced human form while others became mice, sloths, etc. Why are there not an infinite number of species, if everything was evolving at it's own pace? And how did each species survive? - How did two of the same species (one of each sex) know to evolve at the same time and in the same way (other than sex) to allow for reproduction and species continuation?

There has been a remarkable number of species over time, many never reached a life span worthy of discussion (natural selection).

As to your questions of sexuality, there are still many that are asexual. There are others with the ability to spontaneously switch sexes when needed. Others still , such as fish, have the desire to procreate without the physical enjoyment often used as a reward in species such as humans. They just swim by and fertilize.

All of these examples are of completely different forms of species continuation, some not even requiring sexes. To quote a movie based in both facts and fairytale "life will find a way".

Just as there are questions of "why" in evolution, as you asked, those same questions exist in creationism.
Why would God create so many species for man to rule over, that never had any interaction with man and disappeared so quickly. Seems a waste as it does in evolution.

Our questions seem to produce more questions than answers in both fields.

 

[jakez4ut]

Yeah I understand that but faith just doesn't do it for me. My brain won't allow me to believe something that in my opinion doesn't make sense. I truthfully can't help it I just can't. I can't just say well I've got nothing to lose by believing I've tried that, I just can't do it man everyone's brain works differently

oh i know. just stipulating that's the gap you have to cross.:thumbsup:

 

[jakez4ut]

There has been a remarkable number of species over time, many never reached a life span worthy of discussion (natural selection).

As to your questions of sexuality, there are still many that are asexual. There are others with the ability to spontaneously switch sexes when needed. Others still , such as fish, have the desire to procreate without the physical enjoyment often used as a reward in species such as humans. They just swim by and fertilize.

All of these examples are of completely different forms of species continuation, some not even requiring sexes. To quote a movie based in both facts and fairytale "life will find a way".

Just as there are questions of "why" in evolution, as you asked, those same questions exist in creationism.
Why would God create so many species for man to rule over, that never had any interaction with man and disappeared so quickly. Seems a waste as it does in evolution.

Our questions seem to produce more questions than answers in both fields.

i was once told when i was much younger....the more you learn, the dumber you get.

it didn't make a lot of sense to me at the time. as i've gotten older, well, to your point....questions lead to more questions...the more you learn, the more you realize that you don't know much at all.

 

[OneVolNation]

Other religions say the exact same thing about your religion too. Also none of that explanation is logical at all he's the beginning and the end? None of it makes sense

The infinite must be revealed to you by the spirit.

Your natural mind can't make logical "sense" of it and it wasn't designed to. That's part of the spirit's renewal of the mind into the mind of Christ given at rebirth and renewal of the mind continues with the regeneration by the power of the word. The unction from the Holy Spirit who knows all things comes to abide in the heart of the believer the moment you believe unto salvation but not until then. The Lord reveals His secrets only to those who love him. (And who could blame Him? No one. Would you reveal your innermost personal secrets to someone you know doesn't love you? A good coach makes sure his team's players know his playbook. Our God is in Heaven and can do whatever He pleases.<- Psalm 115:3 )

1 Corinthians 2:9-16

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Once you have the mind of Christ (and not before), you'll be equipped with the power to understand such truths as this:

Psalm 90:2

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Habukkuk 3:3,4

God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.

Hear it from Himself directly now:

Isaiah 43:7-13

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

Romans 9:20
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

 

[chargervol]

i was once told when i was much younger....the more you learn, the dumber you get.

it didn't make a lot of sense to me at the time. as i've gotten older, well, to your point....questions lead to more questions...the more you learn, the more you realize that you don't know much at all.

Lol, great point Jake. That's probably also the origin of the expression ignorance is bliss.

The more we learn, suddenly, the more we have to learn.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

Can't say how many places I've been where several religions or sects were represented.
Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist.

You don't see that many Buddists caring about prayer at public functions. I have a Buddist cousin who teaches the basics of one of the Buddist schisms in Carolina. If I remember, I think I'll ask him what he thinks of public Buddist prayer before events next time we're together.

I'll be honest I don't know much about Buddhist I was just making an example!

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

The infinite must be revealed to you by the spirit.

Your natural mind can't make logical "sense" of it and it wasn't designed to. That's part of the spirit's renewal of the mind into the mind of Christ given at rebirth and renewal of the mind continues with the regeneration by the power of the word. The unction from the Holy Spirit who knows all things comes to abide in the heart of the believer the moment you believe unto salvation but not until then. The Lord reveals His secrets only to those who love him. (And who could blame Him? No one. Would you reveal your innermost personal secrets to someone you know doesn't love you? A good coach makes sure his team's players know his playbook. Our God is in Heaven and can do whatever He pleases.<- Psalm 115:3 )

1 Corinthians 2:9-16

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Once you have the mind of Christ (and not before), you'll be equipped with the power to understand such truths as this:

Psalm 90:2

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Habukkuk 3:3,4

God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.

Hear it from Himself directly now:

Isaiah 43:7-13

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

Romans 9:20
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

I appreciate what you're doing, I really do its just none of it processes for me I can't really help it

 

[Kristy*]

Well I'm sorry, you actually seem like a pretty good person (just from reading these posts), but you are spreading misinformation without doing research. If you actually read and understood the article, your first paragraph wouldn't exist because you would know that carbon dating any fossil older than 50,000 years is a methodology that leads to incorrect results. It literally took me less than 10 seconds of searching, so I can't help but question how much time you spent on it.

I thought it was an interesting article and theory and thought I would share. As far as saying that I didn't read all of your article due to the carbon dating accuracy period, that was not only mentioned in your article but also in the one that I posted.

Carbon dating has proven limitations. How do we know the reliability of the other forms of dating (radioactive) don't as well?

 

[Kristy*]

not sure about infinite, but they're finding new species of animals, fairly regularly. i've always found it very interesting that in all of human history, and even with today's advances in science, that there's apparently still so much out there we don't know about what's out there on this planet.

i forget where i saw it, but i believe just in the last few years they found a new species of frog living in a rain forest in South America. crazy. (sorry no link, saw it on tv a while ago)

and with the new technologies enabling scientists to go deeper and deeper to the ocean floors, there's things down there living in an environment that many thought until recently (last 30-50 years) unlivable.

stuff living off carbon dioxide, no light, super extreme heat and pressures...crazy stuff.

I guess my point was more that if each microorganism were evolving on it's own, then how were there ever 2 of the same?. How did each species take root?

 

[TBALLVOL]

The bottom line is that all people born of a man and a woman are morally corrupt and are separated from God. Man cannot have fellowship with God because of this and therefore is in need of savior. Man wants his own way and does not want to submit to this truth. However, because of God's great love for man and his desire to live with man forever, he chose to sacrifice Christ, who was perfect, to atone for our corruption. If you trust the work of Christ in your behalf and repent, meaning that you change your mind and agree that you are morally corrupt and hate it and that you are in need of a savior, you will be saved. Every other religion depends on the performance of man. Christianity depends on the performance of God. It's called Love. Some will get it and some will not. If you don't get it and perish eternally you can't blame God. He provided you the means and hope for an eternal home with him at no effort of your own.

 

[Kristy*]

There has been a remarkable number of species over time, many never reached a life span worthy of discussion (natural selection).

As to your questions of sexuality, there are still many that are asexual. There are others with the ability to spontaneously switch sexes when needed. Others still , such as fish, have the desire to procreate without the physical enjoyment often used as a reward in species such as humans. They just swim by and fertilize.

All of these examples are of completely different forms of species continuation, some not even requiring sexes. To quote a movie based in both facts and fairytale "life will find a way".

Just as there are questions of "why" in evolution, as you asked, those same questions exist in creationism.
Why would God create so many species for man to rule over, that never had any interaction with man and disappeared so quickly. Seems a waste as it does in evolution.

Our questions seem to produce more questions than answers in both fields.

It seems to me that the theory of evolution requires a lot more faith than believing in God. Just my observation.