Butch Jones embraces team chaplain Tim Miller

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Behr said:
I'm gonna keep quiet on my opinion of this post, and just say, I'm grateful for his presence in this thread. A lot of good stuff has been posted as a result.
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there has been some good discussion and sharing of ideas and ideals, no doubt.

that said, there's also been a lot of mean spirited comments that leave little to be desired, if the goal was to have a meaningful conversation. and i don't necessarily think it was.
 
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sjt18 said:
Can you explain how you judge people by something other than what they believe in? What we truly believe in will express itself in our behavior, won't it?
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Not necessarily. I'm atheist, which by some is frowned upon but I don't kill children and drink blood. I'm a good person bc it's right not bc of any beliefs. Religious beliefs literally mean nothing to me. I judge by actions. There's Christians who are bad people and there's atheist who are bad people but it's far fetched to say they're all bad bc of their beliefs or lack of.
 
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jakez4ut said:
there has been some good discussion and sharing of ideas and ideals, no doubt.

that said, there's also been a lot of mean spirited comments that leave little to be desired, if the goal was to have a meaningful conversation. and i don't necessarily think it was.
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I'm trying to have a educational conversation, I enjoy discussions like this when there's no insults and crap.. this thread hasn't been too bad not the past few pages at least
 
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bray2milton said:
Soo, That is a no?
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:p

I don't think it is quite that simple.

No. I do not have the power to forgive what God condemns... nor the power to condemn someone that God commands me to be willing to accept and reconcile with if they repent from what they're doing. It would be the same if you ever came to faith in Christ. I neither condemn nor hate you now. But I cannot agree with what you believe or your rejection of God.

I can and should condemn what they're doing. They are trampling the blood of Christ on the way to the bank...
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
I'm trying to have a educational conversation, I enjoy discussions like this when there's no insults and crap.. this thread hasn't been too bad not the past few pages at least
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agreed. for the most part, i think it's been good. i learned some stuff i didn't know, and that's never a bad thing.
 
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Behr said:
I'm fortunate not to have experienced anything like this. I do understand how difficult it could be. I don't even really know what else to say except, I hate to hear things like this.
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It is what it is. If it makes you feel better it only motivated me to become the successful person I am today. I've got a great job, a wonderful girlfriend, a house in Orlando and I'm only 23. My mother is struggling which doesn't make me happy obviously but I'd be lying if I didn't feel a hint of karma
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Not necessarily. I'm atheist, which by some is frowned upon but I don't kill children and drink blood. I'm a good person bc it's right not bc of any beliefs.
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What is "good"? What makes it "right"?

Religious beliefs literally mean nothing to me. I judge by actions. There's Christians who are bad people and there's atheist who are bad people but it's far fetched to say they're all bad bc of their beliefs or lack of.
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What do you mean by "bad"? By what standard or authority do you judge?
 
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sjt18 said:
What is "good"?



What do you mean by "bad"? By what standard or authority do you judge?
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What is good? My opinion of good is someone who is nice, loves their family, if they have children puts their children first, my opinion of good isn't much different than yours I'd imagine not sure what point you're trying to make. My opinion of bad? Criminals, parents who don't take care of their children, people who don't want to work if they could work stuff like that. Similar to your opinion of bad I'm not an alien :)
 
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jakez4ut said:
no, i'm saying i don't buy the victim label. i think it was very deliberate.

and it was completely avoidable. you proclaim to have a lot of knowledge on how Christians think, act, and behave, so to now say it's unavoidable is quite a backstroke, seeing as how you could have avoided all of this by simply skipping something you admittedly couldn't care less about.

first post, unsolicited, not quoted......if you didn't properly forecast the reaction, then you're either naive, or completely oblivious. personally, i think you're niether given your wealth of apparent knowledge on this particular subject, which is why i go for the deliberate intent. after this it descended in to the last 20 some odd pages.:thumbsup:
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I did not proclaim anything. I just simply stated a opinion. Nothing deliberate. Simply a opinion. And you have to admit the last 20 pages are very read worthy. There is nothing like discussing religion and politics in a open forum.
 
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jakez4ut said:
there has been some good discussion and sharing of ideas and ideals, no doubt.

that said, there's also been a lot of mean spirited comments that leave little to be desired, if the goal was to have a meaningful conversation. and i don't necessarily think it was.
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Absolutely!
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
What is good? My opinion of good is someone who is nice, loves their family, if they have children puts their children first, my opinion of good isn't much different than yours I'd imagine not sure what point you're trying to make. My opinion of bad? Criminals, parents who don't take care of their children, people who don't want to work if they could work stuff like that. Similar to your opinion of bad I'm not an alien :)
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I think the point he's trying to make is that you saying what's good vs bad could be vastly different than someone else's opinion of what's good & bad. For instance, radical Muslims think beheading infidels is "good" and treating women like second class citizens is "good", while being kind to everyone is bad. I think the opposite.

So who is right? We both believe we are right and will never budge. So now what?

Without faith, there is no higher accountability.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
What is good? My opinion of good is someone who is nice, loves their family, if they have children puts their children first, my opinion of good isn't much different than yours I'd imagine not sure what point you're trying to make.
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In view of your rejection of a moral law source, I'm curious how you determine anything is "good" or evil. I'm guessing you believe in evolution. That would mean you think of us as nothing more than highly evolved animals.

What is your foundation for calling someone "evil" if they aren't nice or loving to their family? What if they don't put their children first.

It would seem that without really intending to you've borrowed morality from the Judeo-Christian tradition.

I believe that man is a special creation by God. A living soul with moral free agency unlike animals. I believe in right and wrong because I ultimately believe in a "good" Law Giver.

If I were an atheist believing that I was just a highly evolved animal.. I would see absolutely no reason other than the threat of retribution or promise of reward to be "good" to anyone?

Based on what you believe, how can morality ever be anything more than what is "good" for you?

My opinion of bad? Criminals, parents who don't take care of their children, people who don't want to work if they could work stuff like that. Similar to your opinion of bad I'm not an alien :)
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Why are criminals bad? If hyenas steal the kill of a cheetah... should we bring charges? We're animals like them, right?
 
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bray2milton said:
Did we ever figure out the dinosaurs? Just a honest question.....
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Not sure it is a worthwhile diversion at this point.

I'll get back to you perhaps when evolutionists explain how soft tissue in T-Rex bones survived for 63 million years in nature.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not sure it is a worthwhile diversion at this point.

I'll get back to you perhaps when evolutionists explain how soft tissue in T-Rex bones survived for 63 million years in nature.
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It was sort of a joke but not a diversion. And fossilization in certain sediments is the answer to your question.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not sure it is a worthwhile diversion at this point.

I'll get back to you perhaps when evolutionists explain how soft tissue in T-Rex bones survived for 63 million years in nature.
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Actually they need to explain what or who put in motion whatever it was that triggered the big bang in the first place. It took A plus B to make C. Well where did A and B come from?

That question will never be answered by evolutionists because there is no answer except .... a creator of some sort.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Actually they need to explain what or who put in motion whatever it was that triggered the big bang in the first place. It took A plus B to make C. Well where did A and B come from?

That question will never be answered by evolutionists because there is no answer except .... a creator of some sort.
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Your answer is a "creator of some sort". Science is my answer. It takes time for discovery and understanding. At one time humans thought the world was flat.
 
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Just like the Energizer Bunny, the beat goes on. When I was 14, I hoped all this crap would be outed before I reached the age I am. But, ......................
 
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sjt18 said:
In view of your rejection of a moral law source, I'm curious how you determine anything is "good" or evil. I'm guessing you believe in evolution. That would mean you think of us as nothing more than highly evolved animals.

What is your foundation for calling someone "evil" if they aren't nice or loving to their family? What if they don't put their children first.

It would seem that without really intending to you've borrowed morality from the Judeo-Christian tradition.

I believe that man is a special creation by God. A living soul with moral free agency unlike animals. I believe in right and wrong because I ultimately believe in a "good" Law Giver.

If I were an atheist believing that I was just a highly evolved animal.. I would see absolutely no reason other than the threat of retribution or promise of reward to be "good" to anyone?

Based on what you believe, how can morality ever be anything more than what is "good" for you?



Why are criminals bad? If hyenas steal the kill of a cheetah... should we bring charges? We're animals like them, right?
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Sorry but this is the most nonsensical drivel I have read on here in a long time. Throwing these what is good/bad questions out in an effort to undermine what an atheist says is his moral code. This is the epitome of hard headed behavior and it boils down to an attack when simplified to your cheetah comparison.

The assumption that religious god fearing people have a monopoly on morality is a farce. Are you seriously suggesting that morality comes from god? The ten commandments? That's a laugh.

I erased this next paragraph about 22 times because I am conflicted with ripping into you against needlessly offending or upsetting some of the good people on this board. I'll leave it as is, let you multi quote it with some more hypocritical BS and call it a day. :hi:
 
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sjt18 said:
In view of your rejection of a moral law source, I'm curious how you determine anything is "good" or evil. I'm guessing you believe in evolution. That would mean you think of us as nothing more than highly evolved animals.

What is your foundation for calling someone "evil" if they aren't nice or loving to their family? What if they don't put their children first.

It would seem that without really intending to you've borrowed morality from the Judeo-Christian tradition.

I believe that man is a special creation by God. A living soul with moral free agency unlike animals. I believe in right and wrong because I ultimately believe in a "good" Law Giver.

If I were an atheist believing that I was just a highly evolved animal.. I would see absolutely no reason other than the threat of retribution or promise of reward to be "good" to anyone?

Based on what you believe, how can morality ever be anything more than what is "good" for you?



Why are criminals bad? If hyenas steal the kill of a cheetah... should we bring charges? We're animals like them, right?
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Im beginning to realize you're not even worth arguing with. I'm having a logical open minded conversation yet you're trying to spin everything I say into something negative.
 
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