Butch Jones embraces team chaplain Tim Miller

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sjt18 said:
In view of your rejection of a moral law source, I'm curious how you determine anything is "good" or evil. I'm guessing you believe in evolution. That would mean you think of us as nothing more than highly evolved animals.

What is your foundation for calling someone "evil" if they aren't nice or loving to their family? What if they don't put their children first.

It would seem that without really intending to you've borrowed morality from the Judeo-Christian tradition.

I believe that man is a special creation by God. A living soul with moral free agency unlike animals. I believe in right and wrong because I ultimately believe in a "good" Law Giver.

If I were an atheist believing that I was just a highly evolved animal.. I would see absolutely no reason other than the threat of retribution or promise of reward to be "good" to anyone?

Based on what you believe, how can morality ever be anything more than what is "good" for you?

Why are criminals bad? If hyenas steal the kill of a cheetah... should we bring charges? We're animals like them, right?
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Oh wow this makes so much sense. I'm an atheist, and now that I know that morality and ethics are objectively provable through a higher power, I don't have to kill my family!!! They were all tied up already too, except the baby because he doesn't need to be tied up obviously lol.

I was trying to figure out how to reduce spending, and having three other human beings to support was really dragging down the finances. Feeding them was getting more and more difficult. Since I had no moral compass, I figured killing them would be the easiest way to end the suffering of poverty for all of us. But now that I know Jesus, I'm going to tell my family all about it, and now we can starve together and join Him in heaven!

For a more serious answer, read a philosophy textbook. Literally just pick some intro textbooks and read about ethics/morality and what different historical figures have thought, not just the people who wrote the bible.

Kristy* said:
Try this:

Did Humans Walk the Earth with Dinosaurs? Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years | Ancient Origins
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volfan102455 said:
So dinosaurs really aren't that ancient. Wonder what other theories that some scientists present as facts are really "alternative facts".
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This is provably false with 3 seconds of googling. The problem is with their methodology... oh what the hell, it's not like you're going to read it: radioactivity - Is it a problem with radiometric dating that carbon 14 is found in materials dated to millions of years old? - Physics Stack Exchange

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There were some other problems in this thread that I don't care to find and quote, but I will provide some simple explanations:

If something is a theory, it is a collection of facts. This doesn't mean it is always true or always false. It means that we have provable ideas to back it up. Sometimes these ideas use the wrong assumptions and we replace/remove them, and a lot of them are holding up just fine. Calling something "just a theory" simply to dismiss it is ignorant as hell.

Atheism/agnosticism is not a religion even if they are protected by the 1st amendment. Classifying them as a religion so they align with the 1st amendment (or any of our laws) does not make them a religion, it is simply a relation that allows compatibility with our justice system. Atheism is literally just "without theism" as an idea; as with other ideas, if anyone wants to go further than that, it's on them.
 
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Everything that has gone on with earth and all that we can see or hear points to the conclusion that we(humans and our know universe) is a glitch of nature.

The same as computers have glitches so does nature.

Our whole existence is a glitch of existence.

There is no proof that we should exist other than we do exist.

Two things crashed together.

Where did they come from?

If it didn't begin with us, who and how many existed before our glitch of existence?

Why would we expect there to be more biological phenomenon else where? Are we not unique enough to not count it as routine.

Human existence is a routine thing, that's why we can't go to the moon without tripping over people.

Odds are in favor of creation not glitch.

Trained scientist have to work hard to create life, they do start with something, it's not happening by accident or with no ingredients or supervision.

I vote no to glitch.

I vote yes to creation.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Everything that has gone on with earth and all that we can see or hear points to the conclusion that we(humans and our know universe) is a glitch of nature.

The same as computers have glitches so does nature.

Our whole existence is a glitch of existence.

There is no proof that we should exist other than we do exist.

Two things crashed together.

Where did they come from?

If it didn't begin with us, who and how many existed before our glitch of existence?

Why would we expect there to be more biological phenomenon else where? Are we not unique enough to not count it as routine.

Human existence is a routine thing, that's why we can't go to the moon without tripping over people.

Odds are in favor of creation not glitch.

Trained scientist have to work hard to create life, they do start with something, it's not happening by accident or with no ingredients or supervision.

I vote no to glitch.

I vote yes to creation.
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You can also ask the question who made God? In the end nobody knows for a fact how we got here it's all faith
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Heres how the wifey explains the denominations

At the liquor store....

A Baptist will stare at your chest all while pretending not to see you.
A Methodist will nod "hey" and walk straight to the booze
A Presbyterian will chit chat and stare at your chest before heading to the booze.
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My favorite Baptist joke:

Why do you have to take two Baptists with you when you go fishing?
Because if you just take one he'll drink all the beer!


My other favorite religious joke, maybe only funny to those of us well steeped in Southern fundy churchitudes:

A pious man was stranded on a deserted island for many years until finally discovered. His rescuers were amazed at his long survival and asked to see where he had survived all those years. He showed them his homesite which consisted of three huts lined up in a row. He pointed to a hut on one end and said, "This is my house; this is where I eat and sleep and generally spend a lot of my time." He then pointed to the hut on the other end and said, "This is the church I built, in which I spend many hours praying and worshiping God." The rescuers then asked, "What about the hut in the middle?" The man replied, "Oh, that's where I used to go to church."
 
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pismonque said:
My favorite Baptist joke:

Why do you have to take two Baptists with you when you go fishing?
Because if you just take one he'll drink all the beer!


My other favorite religious joke, maybe only funny to those of us well steeped in Southern fundy churchitudes:

A pious man was stranded on a deserted island for many years until finally discovered. His rescuers were amazed at his long survival and asked to see where he had survived all those years. He showed them his homesite which consisted of three huts lined up in a row. He pointed to a hut on one end and said, "This is my house; this is where I eat and sleep and generally spend a lot of my time." He then pointed to the hut on the other end and said, "This is the church I built, in which I spend many hours praying and worshiping God." The rescuers then asked, "What about the hut in the middle?" The man replied, "Oh, that's where I used to go to church."
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Not bad.

I've got no problem laughing at a good church joke. I'm uncomfortable telling them, but no problem listening and laughing. That's on the list of things I need to put some more thought into. It seems flawed, but who am I to judge?
 
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bray2milton said:
I have no need to read it. I was only pointing out that you are a believer. How am I intolerant when I have continually said believe what you want and I will believe what I want? And yes I do need a safe space. You guys are terrifying to my rational mind. Think outside the box my friend and it could lead you to the realization that what Dad and Mom taught you might not be reality.
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So you don't believe in God. It's OK. He believes in you.
 
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pismonque said:
My favorite Baptist joke:

Why do you have to take two Baptists with you when you go fishing?
Because if you just take one he'll drink all the beer!


My other favorite religious joke, maybe only funny to those of us well steeped in Southern fundy churchitudes:

A pious man was stranded on a deserted island for many years until finally discovered. His rescuers were amazed at his long survival and asked to see where he had survived all those years. He showed them his homesite which consisted of three huts lined up in a row. He pointed to a hut on one end and said, "This is my house; this is where I eat and sleep and generally spend a lot of my time." He then pointed to the hut on the other end and said, "This is the church I built, in which I spend many hours praying and worshiping God." The rescuers then asked, "What about the hut in the middle?" The man replied, "Oh, that's where I used to go to church."
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God was talking to a couple of scientists in the park one day. God said, so, you guys really think you can create a human out of dirt like I did? They both said yes we do. God said, complete with color vision, flowing blood, reproductive organs and emotions? They both agreed. God said, go for it! One of the scientists reaches down and grabs a handful of dirt, God says, NO, get your own dirt.
 
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Behr said:
God was talking to a couple of scientists in the park one day. God said, so, you guys really think you can create a human out of dirt like I did? They both said yes we do. God said, complete with color vision, flowing blood, reproductive organs and emotions? They both agreed. God said, go for it! One of the scientists reaches down and grabs a handful of dirt, God says, NO, get your own dirt.
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Love this one!!
 
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techdude2017 said:
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This is provably false with 3 seconds of googling. The problem is with their methodology... oh what the hell, it's not like you're going to read it: radioactivity - Is it a problem with radiometric dating that carbon 14 is found in materials dated to millions of years old? - Physics Stack Exchange

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That's one theory that tends to point to his methods more than his findings. And it still doesn't explain the soft tissue found. Scientists say that under the best circumstances, soft tissue cannot survive 1 million years.

You know nothing about me, yet you assume that I wouldn't read something. I'm open minded and well-educated. I know God exists, yet I'm not attacking anyone here. Someone posed a question, and I guess I took the bait by answering.
 
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Behr said:
God was talking to a couple of scientists in the park one day. God said, so, you guys really think you can create a human out of dirt like I did? They both said yes we do. God said, complete with color vision, flowing blood, reproductive organs and emotions? They both agreed. God said, go for it! One of the scientists reaches down and grabs a handful of dirt, God says, NO, get your own dirt.
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And those scientists are still trying to figure out how to make their own dirt!
 
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Kristy* said:
That's one theory that tends to point to his methods more than his findings. And it still doesn't explain the soft tissue found. Scientists say that under the best circumstances, soft tissue cannot survive 1 million years.

You know nothing about me, yet you assume that I wouldn't read something. I'm open minded and well-educated. I know God exists, yet I'm not attacking anyone here. Someone posed a question, and I guess I took the bait by answering.
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The soft tissue that Mary Schweizer disovered was remnants of proteins that had cross-linked - ensuring a very long life span under the right conditions. Such as embedded in sandstone, as her discovery was.

With a sample of true soft tissue, degraded DNA is both attainable and testable. Her response to the aquired DNA was that she had it, "But they lost it".

Turns out, there's been several samples of cross-linked protein 'soft tissue' discovered since her initial discovery. It's no longer an uncommon event. She should be recognized for an achievement but unfortunately, she tried to rewrite the book by misrepresentation for the purpose of promoting her personal beliefs.

The Miller guy that claimed the carbon dating is a nut that makes an astonishing discovery claim every couple of years. Unfortunately, they both know enough legitimate science that almost no person outside of their fields, would know enough to not believe them.

My post has absolutely nothing to do with the beliefs being discussed here.
It in no way promotes the idea of creationism or evolution. More of my personal interest in science with no agenda involved.

You're one of my friends on this site Kristy and I just wanted to pass on helpful info.


To the guy that said scientists are still trying to figure out how to make dirt. We're all making dirt right now.
It is the decomposition of organic material including the skin cells currently falling from our bodies. Congratulations, you made dirt.
 
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chargervol said:
The soft tissue that Mary Schweizer disovered was remnants of proteins that had cross-linked - ensuring a very long life span under the right conditions. Such as embedded in sandstone, as her discovery was.

With a sample of true soft tissue, degraded DNA is both attainable and testable. Her response to the aquired DNA was that she had it, "But they lost it".

Turns out, there's been several samples of cross-linked protein 'soft tissue' discovered since her initial discovery. It's no longer an uncommon event. She should be recognized for an achievement but unfortunately, she tried to rewrite the book by misrepresentation for the purpose of promoting her personal beliefs.

The Miller guy that claimed the carbon dating is a nut that makes an astonishing discovery claim every couple of years. Unfortunately, they both know enough legitimate science that almost no person outside of their fields, would know enough to not believe them.

My post has absolutely nothing to do with the beliefs being discussed here.
It in no way promotes the idea of creationism or evolution. More of my personal interest in science with no agenda involved.

You're one of my friends on this site Kristy and I just wanted to pass on helpful info.


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Interesting. I'll look further into it. Thanks.

So, your understanding of evolution? The earth is billions of years old. Dinosaurs came into existence when and how? They died off how? Other animals came into existence how? People began evolving from monkeys, why? And why are there still monkeys - were they not smart enough, thus getting left behind? And if evolutionists' thoughts and ideas are based from a random collection of events, how can they be trusted?
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
You can also ask the question who made God? In the end nobody knows for a fact how we got here it's all faith
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You are right about different faiths exist. But their is only 1 truth of how life happened. And the rest of the faiths are false.

Who made God you ask. That's a logical question. God spoke through many prophets and apostles and told them that He is the eternal God. He is the beginning and the end. So to answer the question....no one created God according to the prophets....whom God spoke to or through.
 
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Kristy* said:
Interesting. I'll look further into it. Thanks.

So, your understanding of evolution? The earth is billions of years old. Dinosaurs came into existence when and how? They died off how? Other animals came into existence how? People began evolving from monkeys, why? And why are there still monkeys - were they not smart enough, thus getting left behind? And if evolutionists' thoughts and ideas are based from a random collection of events, how can they be trusted?
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The theory of evolution would take 10 pages of text to explain my understanding of that theory. But I'm guessing you're not actually asking me to provide that lol.
*If that theory were correct, the monkeys to humans thing is no different than why some primates are monkeys.. and some primates are apes.. and some primates are humans.

My understanding of the theory is that Darwin made the realization that any animal separated by geographical location or independent need, will develop its own skills and traits to cope with said environment. Over an extended period of time, those traits continue to develop into a new species. Even under creationism, the evolution of human traits and minds is accepted, except by groups such as young earthers. As in human fossils we have found, have shown distinct differences in build and muscular tone according to their needs at the time.
Even today, longtime residents of places like Alaska or Siberia, show a much slower rate of heat loss on a thermal camera when taken from a warm environment to a cool environment, compared to those of us who live in a modern conditioned environment. I.e. their bodies have evolved or adapted (whichever term you prefer) but changed from ours, according to their environment.
That has happened in an extremely short amount of time. So I could see the possibility of a complete transformation over a much longer period of time. We shouldn't see that now given our communication and interactions with these isolated groups.

Or, that could be nothing more than simple adaptation with no relation to evolution.

Once again, I am in no way promoting creationism or evolution. Not because I'm afraid of taking a stance, but because I am completely humbled by the question. Some pick a side and go with it, I listen to and read both sides equally and just don't know the answer. You have to have a certain amount of faith in either one. I'm just in awe personally. If I ever feel certain I have the answer, I will state as much. That day is not today :)
 
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Kristy* said:
Interesting. I'll look further into it. Thanks.

So, your understanding of evolution? The earth is billions of years old. Dinosaurs came into existence when and how? They died off how? Other animals came into existence how? People began evolving from monkeys, why? And why are there still monkeys - were they not smart enough, thus getting left behind? And if evolutionists' thoughts and ideas are based from a random collection of events, how can they be trusted?
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Yea, I've always been curious about that myself.

And the reason for being able to see in color.
 
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