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#726
AM64 said:
A guest in a home should enjoy the same protections as the owner. By definition you could be implying a child or extended family member doesn't have the same right as a parent when it comes to the castle doctrine.
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If you are comfortable living with suspended drug dealers than I won't argue with you 😂
 
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BUBear said:
If you are comfortable living with suspended drug dealers than I won't argue with you 😂
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No, I'm not comfortable in living with suspected drug dealers or other criminals, but as a country we have some funny political notions about the concept of sanctuary. Ras and I've been pretty much eye to eye on the castle doctrine, but for somewhat different reasons. I have no problem going after people who violate the law (even drug laws), but I also have strong feelings that breaking into a residence is wrong - no matter who does it. After all, they do have to come out sometime. This argument is also trending to one of questioning how we can release repeat offenders on bail when there's ample evidence they are a risk to others. There are a lot of complex questions and few simple answers - I just happen to think home invasion by cop isn't one we should have to even consider.

It's always seemed strange to me that we can allow civil enforcement break into a house, and yet the military is prohibited from going after the enemy seeking sanctuary. That strikes me as saying an individual citizen of this country is less respected than a true enemy. Or that we respect the lives of foreign citizens more than our own.

For the record, a good friend of ours - a retired Navy officer and one of the nicest and most generous people you would ever meet was shot through his kitchen window by a cop. It was after midnight and he was going to see what the disturbance outside was all about when he was killed without ever knowing the noise outside was the police. It all started with a 911 call and a false statement that nobody bothered to verify before responding. That's not responsible, and that's not acceptable ... ever.
 
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Louisville shooter arrested. Damn those white nationalist militias!

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volinbham said:
may be weak rationale for not using them in these situations but again the solution is to change the rules rather than accuse these specific officers of turning them off so they could do some killing
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Blurring faces must not be a technology yet seen in KY. Not wanting to be "seen" on a video that would be owned and accessible by the cops is a pitifully weak excuse.
 
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McDad said:
Many ppl keep their weapon loaded and within reach. Not unreasonable to think he grabbed it and was ready by the time he was in hall.
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Some people have implements of self defense stashed in various places around their home so they don't have to worry about running through their house and opening a safe should need arise. I see these no-knocks both ways. There are plenty of cases where the evidence will be flushed and/or an armed suspect may attempt to flee if you knock and wait. OTOH, people who can legally possess firearms have a right to defend their homes (in most states). Sounds like the boyfriend in this case took a drug felony rap in 2015 and he should not have had a firearm. Maybe Ms. Taylor did not know he was a drug dealer, a felon, and in illegal possession of a gun. Really, the boyfriend is responsible for her death and he's the one who needs to be indicted.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Eric Garner and Trevon Martin were killed under Obama's watch. So how is it just on Trump?
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That's not on Trump.
Trump didn't create the divide.
The divide will not disappear when Trump does.
The divide worsens under Trump more than it would under any other POTUS. By his design.
 
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jaybird_1981 said:
You really think the Democrat mayor and Democrat governor are protecting dirty cops? The grand jury saw the evidence and made a decision that is how the system is supposed to work.
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They are protecting the supervisors and leadership. Everyone involved in this should lose their jobs from the cops that served to warrant to theIraq supervisors and their supervisors. Its a case of either not following procedure and training or a lack of proper procedure and training.

The warrant if I’m not mistaken was a search warrant so why not pull surveillance on the apartment and catch them outside leaving or coming home then search the apartment?
 
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volfanhill said:
Of course. Cops are no different then any part of life. There are bad CEO’s, doctors, nurses, landscapers, and on and on
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Which is always the point in this discussion. Out of hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers in the US they point to 2% of incidents and even half of those are legal and the officer actually did nothing wrong
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Which is always the point in this discussion. Out of hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers in the US they point to 2% of incidents and even half of those are legal and the officer actually did nothing wrong
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2% of hundreds of thousands is still quite a bit. If you're going to make up statistics on the fly, at least make it work for you...
 
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Weezer said:
First, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Second, it's not beyond imagining that someone comes forward to support the police just to support the police. Look at the people on here vigorously defending a situation in which a young, innocent woman was killed. This goes beyond who did what wrong. The entire situation is wrong because the end result was an innocent life lost. That's not okay.
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She wasn't an innocent woman she was involved in the drug trade. She was caught on audio in phone conversations about transporting drugs with her boy friend when he was previously incarcerated. She was also not a paramedic. She was fired from that job after it was discovered she had a dead body in her car. That was back in 2017. I hate that she lost her life but she wasn't the angel she is being portrayed to be.
 
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Surprised they didn't charge the boyfriend with murder. Usually that happens if an innocent dies after cops are drawn into a gun battle where one of them shoots a innocent on accident, as in this case.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
She wasn't an innocent woman she was involved in the drug trade. She was caught on audio in phone conversations about transporting drugs with her boy friend when he was previously incarcerated. She was also not a paramedic. She was fired from that job after it was discovered she had a dead body in her car. That was back in 2017. I hate that she lost her life but she wasn't the angel she is being portrayed to be.
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There's a huge divide between the necessity that she be an angel her entire life, and her not being gunned down in her home by paramilitary police in the middle of the night.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
She wasn't an innocent woman she was involved in the drug trade. She was caught on audio in phone conversations about transporting drugs with her boy friend when he was previously incarcerated. She was also not a paramedic. She was fired from that job after it was discovered she had a dead body in her car. That was back in 2017. I hate that she lost her life but she wasn't the angel she is being portrayed to be.
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I do think its amusing they use a picture of her from the job she had for 5 months, four years ago. Always gotta find the most angelic picture of the low rent victim in all of these cases. If I ever get on the news I hope they use my soccer photo from 1987 and say things "He was a good babies daddy/son/dead beat dad/brother/uncle/adultery aficionado.
 
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luthervol said:
That's not on Trump.
Trump didn't create the divide.
The divide will not disappear when Trump does.
The divide worsens under Trump more than it would under any other POTUS. By his design.
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What you're saying is if Biden wins the dems will stop sowing the seeds of racism? Is this another riot until in get what I want situation?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
There's a huge divide between the necessity that she be an angel her entire life, and her not being gunned down in her home by paramilitary police in the middle of the night.
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I realize that but she's being portrayed as an innocent bystander and she wasn't. If you go strictly by the grand jury findings, the cops only returned fire. She has some culpability in her own demise by choosing to be part of that lifestyle. That lifestyle comes with inherent dangers. If she were shot by another drug dealer, this would be nothing more than a 10 second segment on the evening news.
 
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TNVOLNAVY said:
Louisville shooter arrested. Damn those white nationalist militias!

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I was always taught that the 2A was to remedy what people deemed a tyrannical government. He was exercising his 2A rights. You should be applauding him, not using sarcasm, or does 2A only refer to certain individuals?
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I was always taught that the 2A was to remedy what people deemed a tyrannical government. He was exercising his 2A rights. You should be applauding him, not using sarcasm, or does 2A only refer to certain individuals?
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It is but if you exercise those rights and lose, well you lose.
 
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