Bye Bye Louisville

[titansvolsfaninga]

Yep, it is only that way with black or brown people said his whiteness.

Here's the Kentucky AG:

Association of German National Jews

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Can't wait for his attorney to use that defense in court. Are you available?

I don't practice law, but I would suggest that his lawyer use that defense.

 

[headhunter15]

 

[luthervol]

Yeah, and its not anymore legit now than the last time is was typed.

Or less.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Was she committing a crime at the time of her death? Had she paid for any previous crimes of which she had been convicted according to the state? As far as I'm aware, at the time of her death, she was an innocent woman. I don't care about her media portrayal. She was in her home, asleep, not committing any crimes at the time of her death. This isn't about race for me either. This could happen to anyone. You have a reasonable expectation of safety in your own home, and hers was violated. Everyone should see that as a problem.

It's not about blaming the police or assigning blame, it's about fixing the system so something like this doesn't happen again. What happened here is wrong. I'm not sure how anyone can say it wasn't wrong. The focus should be on preventing another such situation from ever happening again. That would be justice for Breonna Taylor because nothing anyone does can bring her back to life, but we can make sure no one else dies like that. Or at least we should try.

She wasn't shot in her bed as originally portrayed by the media if that's what you are implying. She was under investigation and was part of the warrant. It's sad that she died. I'm not justifying "no knock" warrants but by the grand jury testimony they did knock and announce their presence. The boy friend is who shoulders most of the blame here for opening fire first, although she does carry some for being caught up in illegal activity. The police officers are not going to simply not defend themselves.

You're portraying her like she was some innocent bystander in the next apartment and that's simply not the case.

 

[37L1]

I don't practice law, but I would suggest that his lawyer use that defense.

I'm so shocked, by both those revelations.

 

[Weezer]

What kind of systemic changes would you make?

A couple off the top of my head, whether used in this situation or not, no-knock warrants should be illegal. Police body-cams should be mandatory and not having them on should be a fire-able offense. Police firing their guns should be aware of where their bullets might be going. If you're not hitting the intended target, where are they going? It's not okay to fire willy-nilly, even if you're being fired upon. Police are held to a higher standard, and they should be. It comes with the job.

A lot of change needs to come from the administrative end. They need to be more aware of the places they're going into. If it's true that Taylor hadn't dated the intended target, who was already in custody, for several months, why was her place even in the warrants? Better planning and communication is essential.

The fact someone died when they shouldn't have is clear enough indication there were problems. That shouldn't be dismissed as, "oh well". And she shouldn't be blamed for her own death when she was doing nothing wrong. I see people bringing up her past, trying to place some blame on her when all she was doing is sleeping in her bed. We all have pasts, and we've all done some stupid things, that doesn't mean we deserve to be dead. Breonna Taylor should be alive today, but she isn't. The least we owe her is to make sure this situation never repeats itself.

 

[37L1]

Association of German National Jews

Careful, your prejudice is showing again.

 

[Weezer]

I think we definitely need to scale back the wear on drugs to prevent things like this but she didn’t have a reasonable expectation of safety due to her interactions with a drug dealer that used her home to receive his mail..part of the reason this happened was they were afraid it was the drug dealer at the door.

I disagree. Better intelligence by the cops could have prevented this, and she did have a reasonable expectation of safety in her home. We all do.

 

[Orange_Crush]

LOL....Stick with that.

I don't believe that. You do.

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Your argument is that morality is relative opinion, and is defined as the shared beliefs/opinions of a culture. (Again, the actual deeds/thoughts/etc are morally neutral, relative to opinion.)

Trump and his followers have divided the country in an effort to change established social beliefs (which by your definition are established morality.)

Thus, Trump and his followers are just an immoral and divisive movement.

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Logically consistent:

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Morality is relative opinion, and is defined as the shared beliefs/opinions of a culture. (Again, the actual deeds/thoughts/etc are morally neutral, relative to opinion.)

The civil rights movement divided the country in an effort to change established social beliefs (which by your definition were established morality.)

Thus, the Civil Rights movement was just an immoral and divisive movement.

 

[InVOLuntary]

What I'm saying is our country will be less divided under Biden than under Trump. (still divided - but less so)
It would have been less divided under Hillary at this point than it is now. (still divided - but less so)
Of course no one can prove or disprove that, it's just a rational and reasonable conclusion.
Trump will always be known as The Great Divide. It is/was his strategy from the beginning.

What you're really saying is that because Trump won, the people in your party are willing to go to any extreme including rioting, burning, pillaging, raping, and murdering because they lost. And, if Biden wins you'll stop rioting, burning, pillaging, raping, and murdering.

And if Biden wins you expect conservatives to act like adults and not be rioting, burning, pillaging, raping, and murdering because they are civilized human beings.

Own it, you are the party of rioting, burning, pillaging, raping, and murdering.

 

[37L1]

What you're really saying is that because Trump won, the people in your party are willing to go to any extreme including rioting, burning, pillaging, raping, and murdering because they lost. And, if Biden wins you'll stop rioting, burning, pillaging, raping, and murdering.

And if Biden wins you expect conservatives to act like adults and not be rioting, burning, pillaging, raping, and murdering because they are civilized human beings.

Own it, you are the party of rioting, burning, pillaging, raping, and murdering.

Nah, all the violence is done by 3 white women attorneys.

 

[Weezer]

She wasn't shot in her bed as originally portrayed by the media if that's what you are implying. She was under investigation and was part of the warrant. It's sad that she died. I'm not justifying "no knock" warrants but by the grand jury testimony they did knock and announce their presence. The boy friend is who shoulders most of the blame here for opening fire first, although she does carry some for being caught up in illegal activity. The police officers are not going to simply not defend themselves.

You're portraying her like she was some innocent bystander in the next apartment and that's simply not the case.

Did they have proof she committed a crime? I don't think so. That makes her innocent. Seriously, I'm tired of people blaming her for her own death. That's bull ****. As for the BF, it's been stated he didn't hear them identify. Someone busts down my door and I don't know who it is, damn right I'd be shooting if I had a gun. It's the cops responsibility to have cooler heads and take control of the situation, which they failed to do. I'm not screaming for any cop indictments, but things need to change. Blaming Taylor is ignorant.

 

[volbeast33]

I disagree. Better intelligence by the cops could have prevented this, and she did have a reasonable expectation of safety in her home. We all do.

To a point..... when you make bad choices especially involving drugs then all bets are off.

 

[BreatheUT]

What could they have done to make you feel better..... they have released investigative reports..... no one believes them..... they have a witness.... no one believes him..... from what I have seen 3 different agencies at least(federal and state)..... no one believes them...... what would make you believe what happened?


I’m not ok with anyone losing their life but you have to follow the evidence at all times and leave emotion out of it.

Definitely mistakes made but it appears they looked at all the evidence. I doubt this attorney general is covering for the police. This is really unfortunate. Still should not be mob violence.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm not defending her. I'm just unwilling to defend no-knock warrants. If the police get to bust in unannounced in the middle of the night, guns drawn and murder you without repercussions because you defended yourself in the middle of the night, confused and fresh from sleep with unannounced intruders in your home...

I'm not speaking specifically to this case as I haven't actually followed it closely. I'm talking about the principle of no-knocks.

The argument for it is generally destruction of evidence.

Well, what about the mistakes they've actually made by busting into the wrong home?

One loss of evidence is worth one innocent life and abuse of one citizen's rights?

I'm done...

I'm 100% against no knock warrants but it appears from the grand jury that it was an announced entry. I was firmly on the side of the cops/judges being mostly responsible for this death but after more research this is not even remotely close to what the media portrayed.

As to the reason for no knock warrants, they could have easily executed the warrant in the daytime when one or both were gone from the home. They could have done a traffic stop and preserved whatever evidence they were looking for t the stop and during the execution of the warrant.

 

[Weezer]

I'm amazed at how little expectation some have of the police. If this happened to their own, I guarantee expectations would be much higher. In no way, shape, or form should people be holding Breonna Taylor responsible for her own death. That's just ridiculous.

 

[volbeast33]

Did they have proof she committed a crime? I don't think so. That makes her innocent. Seriously, I'm tired of people blaming her for her own death. That's bull ****. As for the BF, it's been stated he didn't hear them identify. Someone busts down my door and I don't know who it is, damn right I'd be shooting if I had a gun. It's the cops responsibility to have cooler heads and take control of the situation, which they failed to do. I'm not screaming for any cop indictments, but things need to change. Blaming Taylor is ignorant.

I think they have her on jailhouse audio discussing transactions involved in drug trade..... she had apparently moved on from that guy but he still used her address to receive mail.

 

[volbeast33]

An independent investigation by non-conflicted parties

It seems more and more Prosecutors and in some instances AG’s find with the Police

“Hey Police Department conduct an investigation in secrecy of what happened and let me know what I should charge a GJ to look at”


The dead woman’s death was not included in what the GJ was charged to find

You don’t think that is odd?

Looking at the evidence..... what law do you feel they broke...... I do find it funny that we can’t even trust the black AG in this instance.

 

[Weezer]

To a point..... when you make bad choices especially involving drugs then all bets are off.

Bull ****. They are the police. Stop making excuses for their screw up. Just admit they screwed up and realize the problem needs to be fixed. That doesn't happen by indicting cops following orders, but the raid went sideways, they lost control, and a woman died. THAT IS NOT HER FAULT. Stop blaming her for her death. She was doing nothing wrong when she was killed. She was in her own home.

 

[volbeast33]

The word “only” is yours. Sometimes would be mine. As would sometimes it is a lot of differing factions Stoking the emotions to ensure that “ whitey” says there the go again looting and burning. There are 3 whites women lawyers who through the fireballs and leave the science as soon as their work is done. One of them has been arrested 11 times all over the country

Rioting and burning is horrible and unlawful and is not a solution to racism But when it is initiated by outside groups hell bent on keeping the racial divide alive it needs to be reported more

The message from protesting is absolutely ruined by these looters and rioters.... I will ask you like I did the other day.... what do you do for black people?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Did they have proof she committed a crime? I don't think so. That makes her innocent. Seriously, I'm tired of people blaming her for her own death. That's bull ****. As for the BF, it's been stated he didn't hear them identify. Someone busts down my door and I don't know who it is, damn right I'd be shooting if I had a gun. It's the cops responsibility to have cooler heads and take control of the situation, which they failed to do. I'm not screaming for any cop indictments, but things need to change. Blaming Taylor is ignorant.

She was listed on the warrant. They have recording of jailhouse phone calls of coordinating drug transactions. She was under investigation.

She chose a life in the drug trade, with that comes risk of being shot whether by the police or another criminal.

If you are involved in crime and the police knock on your door and announce that they are police and you open fire, I can assure you they will return fire.

 

[Weezer]

I think they have her on jailhouse audio discussing transactions involved in drug trade..... she had apparently moved on from that guy but he still used her address to receive mail.

And that justifies her being dead? No. Police lost control of the situation and she died. That is a problem.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm amazed at how little expectation some have of the police. If this happened to their own, I guarantee expectations would be much higher. In no way, shape, or form should people be holding Breonna Taylor responsible for her own death. That's just ridiculous.

So the police shouldn't be able to return fire if fired upon?

 

[allvol123]

I'm amazed at how little expectation some have of the police. If this happened to their own, I guarantee expectations would be much higher. In no way, shape, or form should people be holding Breonna Taylor responsible for her own death. That's just ridiculous.

Not holding her completely responsible. But when you decid to engage in felonious behavior, regardless of your feelings on laws associated with said felonious behavior, you're entering dangerous territory that has lots of risk.