Caitlin Clark, if she breaks the scoring record, put an asterisk by her name

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Dansky said:
We all know why
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I assume you mean because she's white.

My whole life I heard white dudes scoff at the explanation "it's because I'm black" and now the world has flipped.

Maybe she's just jealous of all the attention Clark is getting. It's not like the retired NBA players are any different with the young stars (of the same race). They go pretty far with the hate. Imagine Sheryl Swoops interviewing Clark after a big win and just straight up telling her to her face why she's not good enough to win a championship...because Shaq did that to Donovan Mitchell on live TV. It's just how these old bitches are. It's a generation of haters.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I assume you mean because she's white.

My whole life I heard white dudes scoff at the explanation "it's because I'm black" and now the world has flipped.

Maybe she's just jealous of all the attention Clark is getting. It's not like the retired NBA players are any different with the young stars (of the same race). They go pretty far with the hate. Imagine Sheryl Swoops interviewing Clark after a big win and just straight up telling her to her face why she's not good enough to win a championship...because Shaq did that to Donovan Mitchell on live TV. It's just how these old bitches are. It's a generation of haters.
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That's where I'm at. I want to hold off on the racism charge until I see clear evidence that's what is causing the comments. I'd do (and I know the rest of this board would) if the situation was reversed and you had a white person minimizing the accomplishments of a black athlete.

I think Swoopes is just an old head (and perhaps seriously misinformed) and doesn't like seeing the record broken. The previous holder of the points record is also white, FWIW. Jason Williams's comments were just as ridiculous, IMO.
 
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That's where I'm at. I want to hold off on the racism charge until I see clear evidence that's what is causing the comments. I'd do (and I know the rest of this board would) if the situation was reversed and you had a white person minimizing the accomplishments of a black athlete.

I think Swoopes is just an old head (and perhaps seriously misinformed) and doesn't like seeing the record broken. The previous holder of the points record is also white, FWIW. Jason Williams's comments were just as ridiculous, IMO.
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Yeah, I think it's best to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when there are other plausible explanations (jealousy). Even if race is a factor, it's more likely that Swoops is bothered because she's looking at it like people are over-appreciating her because she's white rather than I don't like her because she's white.
 
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..and if we're being honest, Clark's popularity level does have something to do with her being middle-America white. Girls basketball at large isn't exactly respected outside of what Clark's doing, and if she were a black lesbian doing this for South Carolina, I don't think she'd be getting this much attention.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, I think it's best to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when there are other plausible explanations (jealousy). Even if race is a factor, it's more likely that Swoops is bothered because she's looking at it like people are over-appreciating her because she's white rather than I don't like her because she's white.
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That I can see. Kind of related - I did detect some subtle "if you like Caitlin Clark more than Angel Reese, you might be a racist" when they faced off in the title game last year.

If the media doesn't like good white women's bball players, there have been plenty of white UConn players for them to rip over the years, or someone like Sabrina Ionescu (who is straight and a Christian to boot - not a member of any "marginalized group" except being female). Yet them seem to promote her heavily.
 
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n_huffhines said:
..and if we're being honest, Clark's popularity level does have something to do with her being middle-America white. Girls basketball at large isn't exactly respected outside of what Clark's doing, and if she were a black lesbian doing this for South Carolina, I don't think she'd be getting this much attention.
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Not sure about that one. Brittney Griner got a ton of press when she was at Baylor. Maybe you can make the same statement about her - some areas of the media probably wanted to promote her in part because she was a black lesbian.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's where I'm at. I want to hold off on the racism charge until I see clear evidence that's what is causing the comments. I'd do (and I know the rest of this board would) if the situation was reversed and you had a white person minimizing the accomplishments of a black athlete.

I think Swoopes is just an old head (and perhaps seriously misinformed) and doesn't like seeing the record broken. The previous holder of the points record is also white, FWIW. Jason Williams's comments were just as ridiculous, IMO.
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I don’t think it’s necessarily bc Caitlin Clark is white either. I don’t think it helps that it was on Gilbert Arenas podcast, which has a reputation of maybe making race based comments from time to time. It can also be misinterpreted bc Swoopes was wearing a t shirt that read “fearless, female & black.” That’s fine. There’s nothing wrong w/ that t shirt . If it were Rebekah Lobo or someone wearing the same shirt, but it said “white” and she was clearly disparaging a black player who was a superstar and making their team must see women’s basketball, Rebekah Lobo is looking for a new job.
 
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05_never_again said:
Not sure about that one. Brittney Griner got a ton of press when she was at Baylor.
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I'm not talking about press, I'm talking about nationwide love and acclaim. Griner was always mocked by the people who are into making jokes about masculine lesbians and female athletes in general. Clark has a lot of those same people's love.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm not talking about press, I'm talking about nationwide love and acclaim. Griner was always mocked by the people who are into making jokes about masculine lesbians and female athletes in general. Clark has a lot of those same people's love.
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Griner’s $hit attitude and being involved in a fight during Pat Summits final moments as a coach has always led me to have a negative feeling towards her.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm not talking about press, I'm talking about nationwide love and acclaim. Griner was always mocked by the people who are into making jokes about masculine lesbians and female athletes in general. Clark has a lot of those same people's love.
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Yeah, but I would argue Clark doesn't have love from a lot of the crowd that loved Griner. It's just 2 sides of the same coin. I agree that most of the love to Caitlin Clark is from a more middle America, white crowd. That doesn't have anything to do with racism per se - it's more just people gravitating towards things they can relate to.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Griner’s $hit attitude and being involved in a fight during Pat Summits final moments as a coach has always led me to have a negative feeling towards her.
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It's OK to not like her, but it's not like she was popular before that fight. She was the butt of jokes the moment she was shown on ESPN, despite one of a kind, compelling talent.
 
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n_huffhines said:
..and if we're being honest, Clark's popularity level does have something to do with her being middle-America white. Girls basketball at large isn't exactly respected outside of what Clark's doing, and if she were a black lesbian doing this for South Carolina, I don't think she'd be getting this much attention.
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not sure about her sexuality but the black player at LSU, Angel Reese would be at least as popular, even if she isn't as productive. and that includes her disappearing for 4 games during the season without much of anything said about it. not as much the media darling at the moment, but early season and last season they were definitely neck and neck.
 
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So to be clear, you guys don't think there are any white people who would care less about CC if she were black?

Mexicans like Mexican boxers. Black dudes love black QB's. But white people don't love white basketball stars? Of course they do. You've never met that guy who loves every white WR? The best-selling jersey in Minnesota was Adam Thielen up until 2 years ago, when Justin Jefferson was arguably the best WR in the whole NFL. Of course being white has something to do with CC's popularity. What are we talking about here?

Guess who all my Uncles' favorite NBA player was?...there was pretty much just 1 white guy to choose from, and they all chose him.

I'm excited about Cooper Flagg, the great white hope. I'm not afraid to admit it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So to be clear, you guys don't think there are any white people who would care less about CC if she were black?

Mexicans like Mexican boxers. Black dudes love black QB's. But white people don't love white basketball stars? Of course they do. You've ever met that guy who loves every white WR? The best selling jersey in Minnesota was Adam Thielen up until 2 years ago, when Justin Jefferson was arguably the best WR in the whole NFL. Of course being white has something to do with CC's popularity. What are we talking about here?

I'm excited about Cooper Flagg, the great white hope. I'm not afraid to admit it.
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you were arguing that CC's popularity was unique because she was white. I gave a contemporary example counter to that argument.

nothing more or less than that.

both of them are popular because they are best. plenty of unpopular white chicks out there playing basketball. of course there are going to be some people who like one player over another because they "identify" with them, never understood that personally, but it exists. but its not a unique CC/white situation like you made it out to be.
 
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LouderVol said:
you were arguing that CC's popularity was unique because she was white. I gave a contemporary example counter to that argument.

nothing more or less than that.

both of them are popular because they are best. plenty of unpopular white chicks out there playing basketball. of course there are going to be some people who like one player over another because they "identify" with them, never understood that personally, but it exists. but its not a unique CC/white situation like you made it out to be.
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If somebody I know is posting about Angel Reese on social media, it's probably a negative post. If somebody on my social media is posting about CC, it's definitely with positive intent. I reject your example.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So to be clear, you guys don't think there are any white people who would care less about CC if she were black?

Mexicans like Mexican boxers. Black dudes love black QB's. But white people don't love white basketball stars? Of course they do. You've never met that guy who loves every white WR? The best-selling jersey in Minnesota was Adam Thielen up until 2 years ago, when Justin Jefferson was arguably the best WR in the whole NFL. Of course being white has something to do with CC's popularity. What are we talking about here?

Guess who all my Uncles' favorite NBA player was?...there was pretty much just 1 white guy to choose from, and they all chose him.

I'm excited about Cooper Flagg, the great white hope. I'm not afraid to admit it.
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Cooper DeJean, the white cornerback from Iowa, will probably be one of the most popular jerseys for whichever team drafts him this year. Like you said, I think people kind of flock to the people that they relate to, especially in a case where the person is an underdog role or in a group that is typically not the majority of the profession .

Can’t wait for Cooper Flagg. And everyone thought they hated Redick and Laettner. Wait for this guy.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So to be clear, you guys don't think there are any white people who would care less about CC if she were black?

Mexicans like Mexican boxers. Black dudes love black QB's. But white people don't love white basketball stars? Of course they do. You've never met that guy who loves every white WR? The best-selling jersey in Minnesota was Adam Thielen up until 2 years ago, when Justin Jefferson was arguably the best WR in the whole NFL. Of course being white has something to do with CC's popularity. What are we talking about here?

Guess who all my Uncles' favorite NBA player was?...there was pretty much just 1 white guy to choose from, and they all chose him.

I'm excited about Cooper Flagg, the great white hope. I'm not afraid to admit it.
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Not to make this anything political but 5% and 7% of the population in Iowa and Minnesota respectively are African American so it would make sense for a white player to be more popular in those states.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Cooper DeJean, the white cornerback from Iowa, will be probably one of the most popular jerseys for whichever team drafts him this year. Like you said, I think people kind of flock to the people that they relate to, especially in a case where the person is an underdog role or in a group that is typically not the majority of the profession .

Can’t wait for Cooper Flagg. And everyone thought they hated Redick and Laettner. Wait for this guy.
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When I was a kid, I really wanted a good white RB to look up to. Now the best RB in the NFL is white, and I don't even care, LOL. For some reason I do care about white Americans in basketball, still. I guess maybe because white Euros are good, so I'm just left thinking WTF?

A Shane Gillis bit comes to mind. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'll dig it up. It's so good.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Not to make this anything political but 5% and 7% of the population in Iowa and Minnesota respectively are African American so it would make sense for a white player to be more popular in those states.
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Exactly. That's in line with the point I'm making.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Can’t wait for Cooper Flagg. And everyone thought they hated Redick and Laettner. Wait for this guy.
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He's better than either of them, but not sure the hate will reach those same levels. I think one reason is college basketball just isn't as big of a deal anymore. The other reason is Cooper already has street cred. People have been seeing his tape for years now. They liked and respected him before he declared for Duke. He went to Rucker park and had the whole crowd behind him after declaring for Duke.
 
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