California Lunacy Thread

[Vol737]

(not sure how much of this is accurate)

State Farm wanted to raise rates in CA, state would not allow it.

State Farm pulls all policies in CA and "leaves the state"

75 percent of Pacific Palisades does not have fire insurance but will be able to claim from something called a state FAIR fund that has a solvency of about $200 mil

After that .... the remaining in-state insurance companies have to fund the rest of the claim.

Guess how gets screwed next

Every other insured property owner in the entire country.

Edit: And that $200M won’t cover even 50 of the least expensive homes in that area.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

(not sure how much of this is accurate)

State Farm wanted to raise rates in CA, state would not allow it.

State Farm pulls all policies in CA and "leaves the state"

75 percent of Pacific Palisades does not have fire insurance but will be able to claim from something called a state FAIR fund that has a solvency of about $200 mil

After that .... the remaining in-state insurance companies have to fund the rest of the claim.

Guess how gets screwed next

The State of Cali absolutely screwed up when it came to insurance....

If there is a political beating that comes from this, that should be it....

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

 

[ButchPlz]

LA City and LA County have 2 billion dollar budget for fires...taking a million out for DEI crap is literally .0005 of the budget.

Maybe Gatlinburg and the State misjudged what was needed for fire protection. Maybe they didnt want to spend and put too much trust in the Feds....

You're so ignorantly locked onto a single year budget question when the real question any smart person would ask is: "Were DEI-like motivations the reason certain unqualified people were elected or put into position over years, leading to drastic mismanagement and exacerbation of the tragedy?"

Only the dumbest of dumbasses thinks this is a budget question the way you're trying to make it out to be. It's a useless argument.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Nope, I didn’t allude to it at all.

"Public displays of idiocy"

 

[ButchPlz]

"Public displays of idiocy"

What the **** does that have to do with DEI?

 

[hog88]

LA City and LA County have 2 billion dollar budget for fires...taking a million out for DEI crap is literally .0005 of the budget.

Maybe Gatlinburg and the State misjudged what was needed for fire protection. Maybe they didnt want to spend and put too much trust in the Feds....

Correct, the million spent on DEI has little to nothing to do with what’s happening today. That leads to the question how else was that 2 billion dollar budget misspent. And it’s not entirely on the local fire departments, a lot falls at the feet of the CA forestry service, Cal Fire and the federal forestry service.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

You're so ignorantly locked onto a single year budget question when the real question any smart person would ask is: "Were DEI-like motivations the reason certain unqualified people were elected or put into position over years, leading to drastic mismanagement and exacerbation of the tragedy?"

Only the dumbest of dumbasses thinks this is a budget question the way you're trying to make it out to be. It's a useless argument.

Yeah, we did such a great job in 2016 in Gatlinburg....

 

[hog88]

"Public displays of idiocy"

Yes, that encompasses many things including press conferences and releases making fun of criticism of their forestry management.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

What the **** does that have to do with DEI?

I think most here view DEI as idiocy....

 

[theFallGuy]

How Los Angeles wildfire spread in hours to destroy iconic city

Within minutes of the fire starting, a small plume of smoke had grown massively as the first flames began tearing through a wooded area. Before long, the City of Angels was ablaze

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[hog88]

Yeah, we did such a great job in 2016 in Gatlinburg....

Could the Gatlinburg fires been worse if they were less prepared and mismanaged? Maybe that was the best scenario possible for the conditions, not to mention a lot of that was the cause of the federal government’s piss poor management of the federal lands around Gatlinburg.

 

[LouderVol]

LA City and LA County have 2 billion dollar budget for fires...taking a million out for DEI crap is literally .0005 of the budget.

Maybe Gatlinburg and the State misjudged what was needed for fire protection. Maybe they didnt want to spend and put too much trust in the Feds....

you know the fire didn't start at 3000 acres or whatever? it was a lot smaller to start. even 100 more people could make a big difference then. now we have a Hilary situation "at this point what does it matter", the point isn't NOW. their failure didn't start NOW, it started a long time ago when this was more controllable.

if you have examples of Gatlinburg mismanaging things I think it would be a fair comparison. you have two vastly different set of scales. Gatlinburg backs up to/is near a whole National Forest. even if they devoted 100% of their budget to preventing fires there is a huge offset in scale. LA is almost the flip of the situation. MASSIVE city and budget, relatively small areas for fires. Gatlinburg's entire city budget is 106 million, but please try to compare it to LA's 2 billion fire budget.

there was a good logical argument about DEI, now you guys are just stretching to try and defend everything and it isn't working.

 

[theFallGuy]

fire department budget was less than what they spent on homelessness

Los Angeles mayor slashed fire budget last year, prioritized homeless population

Los Angeles slashed its fire department's budget last year while prioritizing spending for its homeless population, a move that has fallen under scrutiny as wildfires rage.

www.foxbusiness.com

Karen Bass criticized for cutting LAFD budget by $17.6M amid 3 LA County fires

The Palisades Fire has burned more than 15,000 acres in just over a day. And that's just one of the fires ripping through LA County.

www.foxla.com

 

[ButchPlz]

Yeah, we did such a great job in 2016 in Gatlinburg....

Again, you keep cycling back to that "point" (and I use that term very, very loosely, because it's largely irrelevant), and you've already been asked if there was a difference in why things were "mismanaged". You haven't answered, likely because you're totally ignorant on all of this.

You want to pretend anyone that points out "DEI" is an idiot, but then turn around and do virtually the same thing by dumbing down the discussion to the point you want- one where nobody can ask any questions. It's useless.

 

[jmacvols1]

hmmmmm......comparing LA to Great Smoky Mtns fire is comparing apples to oranges...

Analyzing the fire that burned into Gatlinburg - Wildfire Today

Above: The Drought Monitor issued November 29 showed “Exceptional Drought”, the highest category, for the Gatlinburg area and large sections of Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, North Carolina, and South Carolina. On Monday, December 5, the Incident Management Team (IMT) on the Chimney Tops 2 Fire...

wildfiretoday.com

2016 Great Smoky Mountains wildfires - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Because of power outages to some pumping stations on November 28 and because other pumping stations burned, hydrants quickly went dry on November 28, and Gatlinburg Fire Chief Greg Miller first asked for help from all of Sevier County and later from the entire state.[19] Damage from the fires also prevented firefighters from communicating with each other through cell phones as the radio system became overloaded. Gatlinburg's emergency operations center phone system went down when it lost power. Even the 911 system could not handle all the calls it received, and calls intended for Sevier County went to Putnam County instead.[20]"

 

[LouderVol]

You're so ignorantly locked onto a single year budget question when the real question any smart person would ask is: "Were DEI-like motivations the reason certain unqualified people were elected or put into position over years, leading to drastic mismanagement and exacerbation of the tragedy?"

Only the dumbest of dumbasses thinks this is a budget question the way you're trying to make it out to be. It's a useless argument.

so is the DEI bs you are pushing. its not a DEI issue. their liberal fire management strategies are a completely separate issue from DEI.

 

[n_huffhines]

you know the fire didn't start at 3000 acres or whatever? it was a lot smaller to start. even 100 more people could make a big difference then. now we have a Hilary situation "at this point what does it matter", the point isn't NOW. their failure didn't start NOW, it started a long time ago when this was more controllable.

if you have examples of Gatlinburg mismanaging things I think it would be a fair comparison. you have two vastly different set of scales. Gatlinburg backs up to/is near a whole National Forest. even if they devoted 100% of their budget to preventing fires there is a huge offset in scale. LA is almost the flip of the situation. MASSIVE city and budget, relatively small areas for fires. Gatlinburg's entire city budget is 106 million, but please try to compare it to LA's 2 billion fire budget.

there was a good logical argument about DEI, now you guys are just stretching to try and defend everything and it isn't working.

Imagine if a black lesbian were in charge? Everybody here would have memories of reasons to be critical.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Again, you keep cycling back to that "point" (and I use that term very, very loosely, because it's largely irrelevant), and you've already been asked if there was a difference in why things were "mismanaged". You haven't answered, likely because you're totally ignorant on all of this.

You want to pretend anyone that points out "DEI" is an idiot, but then turn around and do virtually the same thing by dumbing down the discussion to the point you want- one where nobody can ask any questions. It's useless.

If you are to "blame" anything, it will be lack of federal and state land management.

Blaning local DEI and a less than 1% budget cut locally is largely political posturing...

 

[n_huffhines]

fire department budget was less than what they spent on homelessness

Los Angeles mayor slashed fire budget last year, prioritized homeless population

Los Angeles slashed its fire department's budget last year while prioritizing spending for its homeless population, a move that has fallen under scrutiny as wildfires rage.

www.foxbusiness.com

Come on dude...did you even read your link? They cut the FD budget by 2%. LOL at "slashed"

 

[85SugarVol]

If you are to "blame" anything, it will be lack of federal and state land management.

Blaning local DEI and a less than 1% budget cut locally is largely political posturing...

No one serious is blaming DEI for this.

But there is plenty of blame.

 

[theFallGuy]

I think most here view DEI as idiocy....

uselessly promoting people into positions they have no experience to meet quotas for certain identities types is beyond idiotic yes.
It certainly seems most government organizations are obsessed with these goals.

 

[ButchPlz]

so is the DEI bs you are pushing. its not a DEI issue. their liberal fire management strategies are a completely separate issue from DEI.

Did I talk about DEI BS? I literally told the guy singling out a year of budget is idiotic. I also didn't say they "DEI'd" their way into mismanagement. Perhaps you ought to read before spouting off like a clown.

Anyways, my point is that "DEI" always gets lumped in and too narrowly considered as some type of government spending or education program. I think it's way more prevalent as a way of thought for lack of a better way to put it. Any time anyone talks about putting elected officials into office for "inclusion" or "diversity" reasons (as they're commonly used), they're just embodying what all this DEI crap is about. These officials will almost always go along with whatever the party line is, because they're often not qualified or intelligent enough to fight for the right thing, or they're scared that the rug will be pulled out from under them if they don't, because they essentially owe the whole movement/party for getting into their position. At the end of the day, you end up with unqualified people, put into position for reasons outside of competence, making wrong decisions and exacerbating every bad situation there is.

 

[theFallGuy]

Come on dude...did you even read your link? They cut the FD budget by 2%. LOL at "slashed"

I posted it mainly because it was interesting how much LA is spending on homelessness. I'm sure every department in LA has budgets too large.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

They ran out of water and completely mismanaged the fire in 2016 in East TN...

Just wondering where the outrage was for that?

I witnessed the devastation first hand. Helped a good buddy of mine sift through the ashes gathering a few items that weren't completely burnt to a crisp at his mountain home. The town wasn't prepared for the disaster that took place but the people fought as hard as they could and the good folks of Gatlinburg eventually recovered just like the trees. I imagine that the proud citizens of California dealing with the current fire will pull through as well. The tragedy that occurred in Gatlinburg was unprecedented in this area. You have to go all the way back to 1916 in Nashville for a fire that was somewhat on the scale of the 2016 wildfire in the state of TN historically.