Calipari comment

#26
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VKAman said:
You said he was claiming that recruiting rankings are "better" (more important) than wins on the field. In year one, they pretty much are...though I'd say classes instead of rankings.
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I would disagree, but if some want to believe that then who am I to shatter the beautiful bubble that some live in ?

I prefer what is to what might be.

Your theory may explain monte's kid's popularity and tells me that, when his coaching gigs end, he will be successful as a drug dealer/used car salesman/politician.
 
#27
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Cat_fan54 said:
Yeah Calipari is getting plenty of heat for it, dont worry. It's a joke to say that it was the biggest night in UK history.

But, hopefully he'll learn from this mistake.
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For the sake of your program, I hope he does. But honestly, does that man know any other way??
 
#28
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Cat_fan54 said:
Yeah Calipari is getting plenty of heat for it, dont worry. It's a joke to say that it was the biggest night in UK history.

But, hopefully he'll learn from this mistake.
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No offense Cat , but , no he wont . He'll make some lame logical reason up for saying it then next week or month it'll be the same crap . I've seen it over and over from Cal . GODS gift to BB . I always loved the winning he brought to Memphis but couldn't stand the scrutiny that came with it .
 
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Incinigator said:
I would disagree, but if some want to believe that then who am I to shatter the beautiful bubble that some live in ?

I prefer what is to what might be.

Your theory may explain monte's kid's popularity and tells me that, when his coaching gigs end, he will be successful as a drug dealer/used car salesman/politician.
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Again, do Bama fans care more about the loss to ULM in year one, or the ensuing #1 recruiting class that helped them win a national championship two years later?
 
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CALISKING said:
Not very good considering the team that beat those 5 first rounders had 1 second rounder and a BACKUP point guard starting.

Also consider, at Memphis he had 2 lottery picks in 2005-2006. In 2008, #1 pick, another first rounder, and high second rounder (and 1st team All American). Still no NC. In last 5 years, Cal has had incredible talent. Must just all be bad free throw, I mean luck.
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The irony of all this is incredible.
 
#31
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Let's be honest. Lottery pick kids aren't going to Kentucky to win a national championship.
 
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crusse10 said:
Let's be honest. Lottery pick kids aren't going to Kentucky to win a national championship.
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That's an interesting opinion. It hurts my brain, but IMO, you probably have something there.

Apparently, most of today's best young players (in any sport) want individual success and dollars, while only a few of the rest really care and strive to win for the team.

If a kid believes winning helps the individual then a few may buy in. Otherwise, I don't think many care.
 
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TIGER DEN said:
No offense Cat , but , no he wont . He'll make some lame logical reason up for saying it then next week or month it'll be the same crap . I've seen it over and over from Cal . GODS gift to BB . I always loved the winning he brought to Memphis but couldn't stand the scrutiny that came with it .
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Indeed, its the Calipari way. However, I found this gem of a quote, from our all time leading scorer Dan Issel.

The dumbest thing I’ve ever heard,” said Dan Issel, UK basketball’s career scoring leader. [...] Issel did not sound upset. He sounded amused. “If the goal is to be a feeder team for the NBA, maybe that was the greatest day,” Issel said. “I thought the goal was to win a national championship.”

“I’m not saying it’s not great,” Issel said. “It’s terrific. If these prospective players see coming to Kentucky as a step to the NBA, then that’s great. But the goal is to win a national championship, and the Kentucky program is such that that should be the goal every year.”
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I understand the angle of everyone who defends this quote, which is that Cal isn't saying that to the Kentucky fanbase who paints their faces blue before everygame. He was saying it to the elite recruits out there who are looking at UK, which bolsters our chances that much more. I get that, but at the same time he still pissed off the entire state in doing so.
 
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If Cal said that he gets more players to the NBA, gets more players in whose grades/scores shouldn't allow college admission, and continues to get more illegal benefits for players without getting severly punished than any other coach in college basketball, would that be ok, as well ?

Are we that far away ? I hate the new reality of college/pro sports. Every year, a little more of my enjoyment and entertainment turns into more nausea and disgust.
 
#36
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
I understand the angle of everyone who defends this quote, which is that Cal isn't saying that to the Kentucky fanbase who paints their faces blue before everygame. He was saying it to the elite recruits out there who are looking at UK, which bolsters our chances that much more. I get that, but at the same time he still pissed off the entire state in doing so.
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Cal is getting kids to play for the U of Calipari. If Cal left UK for another school he'd take the whole incoming class just like he did when he left Memphis.

Those kids couldn't give two squirts for UK. The days of recruiting True Blue players are over. You have a mercenary coach getting one and done mercenary players. If they luck into a NC for UK, so be it. If they don't the Walls, Cousins, Bledsoes, and Ortons of the world couldn't care less.
 
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Incinigator said:
That's an interesting opinion. It hurts my brain, but IMO, you probably have something there.

Apparently, most of today's best young players (in any sport) want individual success and dollars, while only a few of the rest really care and strive to win for the team.

If a kid believes winning helps the individual then a few may buy in. Otherwise, I don't think many care.
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Nah. John Wall couldn't have cared less if Kentucky went to the Sweet 16 or Final 4. Had they won, he'd have had fun, but it wouldn't have done anything for him.
He went to Kentucky because Calipari puts kids in the NBA. Calipari is bff with WWW, and WWW has all the connections. You get a year with Cal, and you are on the fast track to the NBA Lottery.
 
#38
#38
Yea, Cal does a great job of recruiting kids that would go directly to the NBA if not for the one year college rule and then, somehow, getting credit for putting kids into the NBA. Great coaching job as his elite 8 performance indicates with 5 NBA first rounders on his team.
 
#39
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BasketvolsFan said:
Yea, Cal does a great job of recruiting kids that would go directly to the NBA if not for the one year college rule and then, somehow, getting credit for putting kids into the NBA. Great coaching job as his elite 8 performance indicates with 5 NBA first rounders on his team.
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He gives them the connections and a little bit of training to set them up for the draft.
 
#40
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BasketvolsFan said:
Yea, Cal does a great job of recruiting kids that would go directly to the NBA if not for the one year college rule and then, somehow, getting credit for putting kids into the NBA. Great coaching job as his elite 8 performance indicates with 5 NBA first rounders on his team.
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Nothing is a sure thing. He gets them where they want to go. Can't knock him for that.
 
#43
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IPorange said:
Nothing is a sure thing. He gets them where they want to go. Can't knock him for that.
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Agreed. The whole argument that he should win the whole thing just because they all got drafted doesn't hold water. I'm the first to agree that Cal was outcoached by Huggie bear, no question. But in a one and done format, anything can happen at anytime.
 
#44
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Agreed. The whole argument that he should win the whole thing just because they all got drafted doesn't hold water. I'm the first to agree that Cal was outcoached by Huggie bear, no question. But in a one and done format, anything can happen at anytime.
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The point is he couldn't reach the final four with 5 first round draft picks. They had twice if not more the talent of any team they faced this year. he should have gone undefeated imo. I also remember alot of cat fans calling for a NC before the year started.
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bleedorange1983 said:
The point is he couldn't reach the final four with 5 first round draft picks. They had twice if not more the talent of any team they faced this year. he should have gone undefeated imo. I also remember alot of cat fans calling for a NC before the year started.
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No offense, but that's asinine.

Talent does not equal guaranteed success. You show me the list with a plethora of coaches who have taken teams with 4 freshman starters to the final four OR go undefeated, and I will concede your point.

Was he outcoached, absolutely. Going around saying statements like "he should have been undefeated" is moronic, especially in todays college game.
 
#46
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bleedorange1983 said:
The point is he couldn't reach the final four with 5 first round draft picks. They had twice if not more the talent of any team they faced this year. he should have gone undefeated imo. I also remember alot of cat fans calling for a NC before the year started.
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The funny thing is, everything you just said doesn't matter. If he gets those players drafted the way he did, more players of that caliber will go to UK to do exactly what they did. With that talent, he CAN win a Championship every year. Will he? Obviously not. But if you tell the UK faithful that every year they will be Top 5, and place at least 3 players in the NBA (and probably 2 in the lottery), he'll be just fine.
 
#47
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bleedorange1983 said:
The point is he couldn't reach the final four with 5 first round draft picks. They had twice if not more the talent of any team they faced this year. he should have gone undefeated imo. I also remember alot of cat fans calling for a NC before the year started.
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Has there ever been a team that depended on that many freshman win a national title?
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
No offense, but that's asinine. Talent does not equal guaranteed success. You show me the list with a plethora of coaches who have taken teams with 4 freshman starters to the final four OR go undefeated, and I will concede your point. Was he outcoached, absolutely. Going around saying statements like "he should have been undefeated" is moronic, especially in todays college game.
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How many college teams field 5 nba lottery picks the same year? His recruiting class was regarded as one if not the best ever. it is not asinie to say that he should have gone undefeated, he only lost three games and was the favorite to win every single one of them.
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bleedorange1983 said:
How many college teams field 5 nba lottery picks the same year? His recruiting class was regarded as one if not the best ever. it is not asinie to say that he should have gone undefeated, he only lost three games and was the favorite to win every single one of them.
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Nobody, ever.

It is asinine to think he team of mostly freshman would go undefeated.
 
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