Cam Robinson/Hootie Jones arrested for Bama

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bamawriter said:
Attorney: Officer, you say you detected a strong odor of marijuana. Yet, upon your search, you only noted half an gram in a bag. You didn't note ash, residue, pipes, bongs, rolling paper, or anything else to indicate that there had previously been more marijuana in the car that had been consumed. So, tell me, where did this "strong odor" come from?
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Smelling the odor of cannabis whether burnt or not is probable cause for a search. Whether they smoked it in the car an hour earlier or they smoked it at home an hour earlier or they were simply around someone that smoked somewhere it's all the same. The odor gives the officer PC to search. He may find seeds, he may find nothing that reinforces what he smelled but in this case they found a stolen firearm. I have been on a stop and smelled this odor hundreds of times, searched the car and cut everyone loose after finding nothing or even a small amount. I have also smelled it, found something and cut some people loose but arrested others. You have to take in the totality of the circumstances.
 
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illvol said:
Smelling the odor of cannabis whether burnt or not is probable cause for a search. Whether they smoked it in the car an hour earlier or they smoked it at home an hour earlier or they were simply around someone that smoked somewhere it's all the same. The odor gives the officer PC to search. He may find seeds, he may find nothing that reinforces what he smelled but in this case they found a stolen firearm. I have been on a stop and smelled this odor hundreds of times, searched the car and cut everyone loose after finding nothing or even a small amount. I have also smelled it, found something and cut some people loose but arrested others. You have to take in the totality of the circumstances.
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Bingo :hi:
 
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illvol said:
Smelling the odor of cannabis whether burnt or not is probable cause for a search. Whether they smoked it in the car an hour earlier or they smoked it at home an hour earlier or they were simply around someone that smoked somewhere it's all the same. The odor gives the officer PC to search. He may find seeds, he may find nothing that reinforces what he smelled but in this case they found a stolen firearm. I have been on a stop and smelled this odor hundreds of times, searched the car and cut everyone loose after finding nothing or even a small amount. I have also smelled it, found something and cut some people loose but arrested others. You have to take in the totality of the circumstances.
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There is no indication thay they ever smoked in the car. A good lawyer is going to have all four guys saying that the cop never said a word about smelling weed. He made them leave the car when he saw Hootie's gun, and then found the weed.

Like it or not, the cop screwed up. When an incident report makes no mention of two individuals that were cuffed, then it's pretty easy to start picking the cop's word apart.
 
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bamawriter said:
There is no indication thay they ever smoked in the car. A good lawyer is going to have all four guys saying that the cop never said a word about smelling weed. He made them leave the car when he saw Hootie's gun, and then found the weed.

Like it or not, the cop screwed up. When an incident report makes no mention of two individuals that were cuffed, then it's pretty easy to start picking the cop's word apart.
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Maybe you missed what I said. You don't have to have smoked IN THE CAR for the odor to exist and give you PC to search. The odor just has to be present.
 
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bamawriter said:
There is no indication thay they ever smoked in the car. A good lawyer is going to have all four guys saying that the cop never said a word about smelling weed. He made them leave the car when he saw Hootie's gun, and then found the weed.

Like it or not, the cop screwed up. When an incident report makes no mention of two individuals that were cuffed, then it's pretty easy to start picking the cop's word apart.
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Thats really not how it works...but ok. A good lawyer would be reluctant to put the two perps on the stand, that never works out well. The other two guys, well, they were in the car during the commission of a crime. A good jury would put more weight on the officers testimony than the witnesses in this instance if there was a conflict. Again, the incident report really does not matter. It noted the smell of marijuana odor, thats all it needed to say unless the cop actually saw them smoking. If the cop tried to speculate that they were smoking but they were not, that is when his word would get picked apart.
 
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bamawriter said:
Like it or not, the cop screwed up. When an incident report makes no mention of two individuals that were cuffed, then it's pretty easy to start picking the cop's word apart.
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No, sir.

We don't really know if the cop screwed up or not.

All we do know is that a DA has decided not to prosecute. And his main reason for not prosecuting, he would like to emphasize, is a lack of air conditioning in these young men's football playing years.

The DA didn't say lack of evidence. He said lack of air conditioning.
 
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VolAce said:
Thats really not how it works...but ok. A good lawyer would be reluctant to put the two perps on the stand, that never works out well. The other two guys, well, they were in the car during the commission of a crime. A good jury would put more weight on the officers testimony than the witnesses in this instance if there was a conflict. Again, the incident report really does not matter. It noted the smell of marijuana odor, thats all it needed to say unless the cop actually saw them smoking. If the cop tried to speculate that they were smoking but they were not, that is when his word would get picked apart.
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You are missing my point. Even if the DA takes the case to court, it isn't making it in front of a jury if the search gets tossed. The perps don't go on the stand. The State doesn't roll out exhibits. A jury is never summoned. The search had problems.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, sir.

We don't really know if the cop screwed up or not.

All we do know is that a DA has decided not to prosecute. And his main reason for not prosecuting, he would like to emphasize, is a lack of air conditioning in these young men's football playing years.

The DA didn't say lack of evidence. He said lack of air conditioning.
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Can't fix stupid. But it might explain how all this stuff was handled so poorly to begin with.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, sir.

We don't really know if the cop screwed up or not.

All we do know is that a DA has decided not to prosecute. And his main reason for not prosecuting, he would like to emphasize, is a lack of air conditioning in these young men's football playing years.

The DA didn't say lack of evidence. He said lack of air conditioning.
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How does a cop put two men in handcuffs and not even mention them in the incident report? Even if they aren't going to be arrested and charged, they are his only witnesses. How can that be anything but a screwup?

And the DA's official filing does, in fact, say lack of evidence.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yep. That and five to eight discrete payments of $9,999.00 into the DA's bank account over a period of several weeks. :)
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Heard he's using the money to send his grandkids to the university of Alabama.

He's still short, by a long shot. :eek:hmy:
 
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Anybody who ever thought these two were going to be charged or suspended has been inhaling too much AC. The only thing in question is how pissed off Saban's gonna get when he's questioned about it.
 
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just heard that on CBS Sports radio and they played what the DA said and it was pathetic and they were killing bama and the DA on the radio.

That is pathetic and if Saban does nothing then he is as pathetic as the DA
 
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I sure hope "AC" becomes a big meme around college football forums. Like, "Dude's got AC on the brain if he thinks Saban will sit those guys for any meaningful games."
 
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Charges droped on Robinson and Jones. Caught with drugs and a stolen gun. DA said did not want to ruin the lives of two young men. West Monroe LA. I am sure it had nothing to do with who they are.
 
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I was not surprised at all hearing Cam and Hootie will not face any charges. Saban is royalty in Alabama. Was anyone else really shocked?
 
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