Canada's Truck Convoy to Protest Mandate

[Septic]

Why??

If I handed you a tax free $100k, would you not want more?

 

[LouderVol]

I'm not avoiding your point. I just don't agree with it. Not sure I can make that more clear. Creating a false equivalency between traffic and intentional blockades isn't going to change my mind.

And you are creating a completely impossible standard for protesting. I am guessing you are fine with protests, just as long as no one is interfered with? That makes no sense. Protests are supposed to be disruptive. As long as they arent being directly damaging they are free to do as they want imo. Heck there have even been videos of them cleaning up their own trash, and serving out food to any who need it, even the cops. It's about the most Canadian thing I have ever heard of. Not sure how they could protest any better/more responsibily.

Completely unrelated to our discussion I have loved the juxtaposition of the truckers "professionalism" vs Trudeau taking every chance to make himself look bad.

 

[luthervol]

With your reasoning this fits too doesn't it?

Not for me. Everyone draws their line.
Like I said, I find drawing the line at a vaccine to be absurd.
Others would find drawing the line at a BJ to be absurd.

Everyone sells a little piece of themselves to their employer....or whomever is helping them get a buck.

 

[LouderVol]

Sure you are, you used it as rationale for the truckers quitting their jobs rather than getting the vaccine.
If you were not concerned, you wouldn't provide it as justification for the truckers' decisions.

Really? I pointed to my concerns of the health impacts of the vaccine as justification for people I dont know to act how they are?

Me, the person who is glad my family has been able to take the same vaccines?

I would appreciate if you would actually point out where I said what you think so that I can clarify or admit I was wrong in what I said.

My typical argument is that there is a mandate for it. By anyone. Health decisions should be left to the individuals involved and the doctors without outside influence.

 

[luthervol]

Are the truckers looting, rioting, and vandalizing? And they’re even protesting a real issue.

As far as I know there isn't much of that going on; just as with the BLM protests where 98% of the people were 100% peaceful.

And lol......you call taking a vaccine that will help you and others more of an issue than systemic police brutality?

 

[DonjoVol]

Are you talking about how republicans and rightwing media covered the two?
Whose double standard is larger?

Many of the independent journalists who have covered Antifa and these protests over the years were and have been non- partisan. They were just doing their job as journalists. However they immediately get smeared as right- wing, far right, etc. Which is not fair to them for simply doing their job as journalists.

 

[Ttucke11]

Are the truckers looting, rioting, and vandalizing? And they’re even protesting a real issue.

Bingo. Burning police cars in Nashville because a crack head felon got killed in Minnesota totally makes sense.

 

[ButchPlz]

 

[clarksvol00]

And you are creating a completely impossible standard for protesting. I am guessing you are fine with protests, just as long as no one is interfered with? That makes no sense. Protests are supposed to be disruptive. As long as they arent being directly damaging they are free to do as they want imo. Heck there have even been videos of them cleaning up their own trash, and serving out food to any who need it, even the cops. It's about the most Canadian thing I have ever heard of. Not sure how they could protest any better/more responsibily.

Completely unrelated to our discussion I have loved the juxtaposition of the truckers "professionalism" vs Trudeau taking every chance to make himself look bad.

I'm not trying to create an impossible standard. I don't care if people are inconvenienced to some extent. I don't mind people marching on the highway. But from what I understand (my knowledge of this situation is limited to pretty much what I've read here) these guys have blocked off vehicular access to an entire section of a city for at least a week now. They have also attempted to block a key international trade route (not sure for how long).

At some point you begin taking away the livelihood of others that you're blockading.

 

[luthervol]

Is there not a fundamental difference between people just standing in the street and the swarming (with violence) around cars that was happening nearly everywhere with these BLM "protests" (violent insurrections)?

Not really - blocking a road is blocking a road.
Some of the standers moved around as if they were swarming and some of the swarmers were really just standing there.

 

[ButchPlz]

Bingo. Burning police cars in Nashville because a crack head felon got killed in Minnesota totally makes sense.

This stuff really isn't that hard. A black man has a better chance of being struck by lightning multiple times than being randomly executed by police.

In the Canadian case, a trucker (all of them, across the country) has a very high chance of losing their job if they don't comply with ridiculous overreach by their government.

It's not even close.

 

[DonjoVol]

What I still find so crazy is that someone would choose to quit their job instead of taking a vaccine. It's lunacy.
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I think it's crazy for a business to insist and mandate their employees take these Covid vaccines which really nobody knows what long term side effects could end up coming out of them.

 

[hog88]

Not for me. Everyone draws their line.
Like I said, I find drawing the line at a vaccine to be absurd.
Others would find drawing the line at a BJ to be absurd.

Everyone sells a little piece of themselves to their employer....or whomever is helping them get a buck.

Marriage is the only known long term side effect of a BJ.

 

[C-south]

As far as I know there isn't much of that going on; just as with the BLM protests where 98% of the people were 100% peaceful.

And lol......you call taking a vaccine that will help you and others more of an issue than systemic police brutality?

How does a vaccine help people that have already beat Covid at least once, and sometimes twice, when vaccinated people are becoming infected at the same rate because the vaccine does nothing for the new variant? I mean taking a vaccine for a virus that has a 99% plus survivability rate is a no brainer right? You said only 7% of blm protests were violent before but we all know where your numbers come from.

 

[DonjoVol]

I'm seeing more and more of this happening. The majority of young people seem to not like all these mandates. This is why I have said that the younger crowd is starting to become more and more conservative.

 

[luthervol]

Really? I pointed to my concerns of the health impacts of the vaccine as justification for people I dont know to act how they are?

Me, the person who is glad my family has been able to take the same vaccines?

I would appreciate if you would actually point out where I said what you think so that I can clarify or admit I was wrong in what I said.

My typical argument is that there is a mandate for it. By anyone. Health decisions should be left to the individuals involved and the doctors without outside influence.

I see the distinction. You are not worried on a personal level but you think it is legitimately enough of a worry for others to quit their jobs or take part in an extended protest which is daily costing the economy millions.

 

[85SugarVol]

I see the distinction. You are not worried on a personal level but you think it is legitimately enough of a worry for others to quit their jobs or take part in an extended protest which is daily costing the economy millions.

Property over People?

 

[Ttucke11]

This stuff really isn't that hard. A black man has a better chance of being struck by lightning multiple times than being randomly executed by police.

In the Canadian case, a trucker (all of them, across the country) has a very high chance of losing their job if they don't comply with ridiculous overreach by their government.

It's not even close.

Luther says 98% of protests were peaceful so you shouldn't label them all violent. 99.9+% of interactions with black people by police are peaceful, but that's a much better reason to BurnLootMurder than actually peacefully protesting the government overreaching and making ridiculous mandates left and right. Anyone who thinks this is just about masks or vaccines are willfully ignorant. This is about the government thinking they have a right to implement any law at the drop of a hat in the name of "health and science". Especially when studies are coming out showing everything the government did was a colossal failure that will cost us for decades.

 

[luthervol]

How does a vaccine help people that have already beat Covid at least once, and sometimes twice, when vaccinated people are becoming infected at the same rate because the vaccine does nothing for the new variant? I mean taking a vaccine for a virus that has a 99% plus survivability rate is a no brainer right? You said only 7% of blm protests were violent before but we all know where your numbers come from.

The percent for protests and the percent for protestors wouldn't be the same - thought it was obvious.

 

[C-south]

Bingo. Burning police cars in Nashville because a crack head felon got killed in Minnesota totally makes sense.

It’s like they set around and wait for someone like them to do something so stupid that they get killed by cops. Then they know it’s a free for all and it will even be supported by idiot dims. Ironically it brings even more to the forefront what the real issues are but nobody wants to address those.

 

[luthervol]

Property over People?

?????

 

[clarksvol00]

You have made these claims that you are some kind of moderate. Yet I have not seen you once disagree with anyone on here who is openly democrat. So please stop with your moderate claims. Because you are nowhere near being a moderate . As a matter of fact I can actually claim to be more of a "moderate" than you are. Enjoy the rest of your day.

There you go assuming again. I don't really claim to be anything other than a jack&&&.

 

[C-south]

The percent for protests and the percent for protestors wouldn't be the same - thought it was obvious.

And they would be much much higher than your made up numbers.

 

[LouderVol]

I'm not trying to create an impossible standard. I don't care if people are inconvenienced to some extent. I don't mind people marching on the highway. But from what I understand (my knowledge of this situation is limited to pretty much what I've read here) these guys have blocked off vehicular access to an entire section of a city for at least a week now. They have also attempted to block a key international trade route (not sure for how long).

At some point you begin taking away the livelihood of others that you're blockading.

Sure. That's why protesting shouldnt be done lightly and should be taken seriously by the government.

Especially in this case as they are Canadians, most people dont want to negatively impact others or go on protest where their own livelihood is taken away. So in this case the Canadian government created a situation bad enough where these truckers, and plenty of others, felt strongly enough about their situation where a protest and blockade was called for, even to the determinant of others I believe they should be listened to, this is how they are getting their voices across.

I also support those private businesses refusing to business with these truckers in the future. As long as the government doesnt ban the truckers or offer penalties against the truckers or benefits for those who dont do business with the truckers.

 

[KB5252]

What government double standard? Repubs hated BLM and love the truckers.
Have they had LEOs go in using tear gas and trying to remove the truckers? I haven't really paid any attention to it.

Have truckers acted violently towards police? I've seen no water bottles thrown, I've seen no truckers advancing to confront police. That happened at many if not most protests I witnessed over the last year and half. That will illicit a response from police every time.

If you don't see the double standard in both rhetoric and action toward these two different protests it's willful.