Cancer is a product of industrial environment

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BigPapaVol said:
Best bet when you look dumb as hell is to stick to silliness like facepalms. You still look idiotic, but that doesn't require more digging or prof that you just make up the crap that you say.
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I'm not saying it. Peer-reviewed scientific literature is saying it. It is being backed up by policy experts answering to the President, and it is being collected in the data outside our backdoor.

First, kpt admits childhood cancer rates are increasing (at a time when, removing carcinogens has decreased several cancers). Just as my OP says.

Then, you make a wild-azz assumption and you got caught and nailed to the wall by the experts because you failed to even skim the data to page 4.

Well, embarassment and woodshed are what you get:

"The changes are too rapid to be of genetic origin. Nor can these increases be explained by the advent of better diagnostic techniques... Increased incidence due to better diagnosis might be expected to cause a one-time spike in rates, but not the steady increases that have occurred in these cancers over a 30-year span."
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utgibbs said:
I'm not saying it. Peer-reviewed scientific literature is saying it. It is being backed up by policy experts answering to the President, and it is being collected in the data outside our backdoor.

First, kpt admits childhood cancer rates are increasing (at a time when, removing carcinogens has decreased several cancers). Just as my OP says.

Then, you make a wild-azz assumption and you got caught and nailed to the wall by the experts because you failed to even skim the data to page 4.

Well, embarassment and woodshed are what you get:
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Again, you seem to be unable to read. Throw that paragraph up all you'd like and try to twist it to say something, but you're still pissing in the wind. He's clearly talking about specific ad very limited cancers and says he has no idea the reasons for the increase, yet you told us we know the carcinogens and can eliminate them. Oops. Not only is your paragraph destroying context to try and make your ridiculous point, but it undermines your original silliness. I'd quit.
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So in gibbs convoluted world a report that says cancers common among children are increasing for unknown reasons therefore it must support his anti-industrial views.
 
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droski said:
are you really arguing only 20% of americans have a college education?
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Or that the upper 20% is made up only of educated people. Last time I saw anything specific on the breakdown of millionaires, only about half had a college education.
 
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utgibbs said:
It doesn't explain the gap between antiquity and today. :hi:

Join us one day in the supermajority.
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Here's something that does. Population geneticists are alarmed at how fast the human genome is accummulating mutations. Virtually all mutations are harmful and those that aren't are almost always linked to some that are. IOW's, each generation of every species but especially humans is getting genetically weaker. Not all of these mutations express themselves in ways that can be noticed or purged by natural selection. They are more likely to express themselves in catastrophic ways as combinations of mutations accummulated over several generations.

IIRC, 100 new mutations are passed on to each child.

This progression of mutation isn't new. It has been going on all along. It isn't a product of industrialization or anything of that sort... It is simply natural law at work- order moving toward disorder.

This is another strong evidence btw against the evolutionary model of how information is increased within a genome. The direct observation is that beneficial mutations are less that 1/1000. They do not result in new functions or systems. They almost universally appear with interdependent relationships with mutations that are harmful to the species overall.

This is happening with all species that have been looked at btw. Creation is winding down... not up.
 
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utgibbs said:
It's great we are getting better at curing a disease which became a problem in the modern era. Thank you, gifts of the Enlightenment.

Childhood cancer increasing. Thankee :hi:

Pic was too big, but it's on pg 4 of the pdf. "The changes are too rapid to be of genetic origin. Nor can these increases be explained by the advent of better diagnostic techniques... Increased incidence due to better diagnosis might be expected to cause a one-time spike in rates, but not the steady increases that have occurred in these cancers over a 30-year span."

Game, Set, and Match
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Yep. Increasing by a bazillionth of a percent. Statistically that's regarded as extremely significant.
 
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sjt18 said:
Or that the upper 20% is made up only of educated people. Last time I saw anything specific on the breakdown of millionaires, only about half had a college education.
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You're about to be taken behind a woodshed, you know?

:p
 
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BigPapaVol said:
At least this one isn't getting old. You know, the one where you just say it and that makes it so. That's proven absolutely genius and overwhelmingly effective over time. FYI, that's exactly the one that has made you a punchline here.

And again, you're using the limited number which are prevalent in kids and then taking out of context to try and make your wrong point. The author is not remotely tying those cancers to any increase. You're picking and choosing snippets to try and make your lunacy disappear, but that won't be happening here.


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Reading skills, BPV. The title of the report is:

Reducing ENVIRONMENTAL Cancer Risk

From the first paragraph of the report. The first paragraph:

With the growing body of evidence linking environmental exposures to cancer, the public is becoming increasingly aware of the unacceptable burden of cancer resulting from environmental and occupational exposures that could have been prevented through appropriate national action. The Administration’s commitment to the cancer community and recent focus on critically needed reform of the Toxic Substances Control Act is praiseworthy. However, our Nation still has much work ahead to identify the many existing but unrecognized environmental carcinogens and eliminate those that are known from our workplaces, schools, and homes.
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kptvol said:
Yep. Increasing by a bazillionth of a percent. Statistically that's regarded as extremely significant.
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Except it wasn't a bazillionth. Except it is happening at a time when we have been removing carcinogens from our environment. And except it was statistically significant.

Even I didn't expect you to shame yourself in this way. You're a debauch cheerleading child cancer increases.
 
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utgibbs said:
Except it wasn't a bazillionth. Except it is happening at a time when we have been removing carcinogens from our environment. And except it was statistically significant.

Even I didn't expect you to shame yourself in this way. You're a debauch cheerleading child cancer increases.
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Might try taking a statistics class. And I am dealing with the treatment of cancer every day, you worthless sack of ****.
 
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utgibbs said:
Except it wasn't a bazillionth. Except it is happening at a time when we have been removing carcinogens from our environment. And except it was statistically significant.

Even I didn't expect you to shame yourself in this way. You're a debauch cheerleading child cancer increases.
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Dude, what does this even mean?
 
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utgibbs said:
It's an arch conservative government.

Most US insurance companies would not cover it either.

Better health for a lot less money. That's still the data and the real world.

Nice try though! :hi:
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lol. yer funny, gibbs.
 
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MG1968 said:
lol. yer funny, gibbs.
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Cameron actually realizes he is just a one-termer, and he is pushing through as much as he can as fast as he can. That's his job. He'll be rightly regarded as radical right wing ideologue.

Did you see what I did there? "rightly regarded..." Pun intended!
 
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Volmorning said:
100% spot on.
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And you couldn't get a more pure or concentrated form of Hogwash in another dozen attempts.

Malaria is an easily treatable disease. It simply isn't that profitable to produce quinine. It is profitable to make DDT and spray house walls ad infinitum.
 
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utgibbs said:
And you couldn't get a more pure or concentrated form of Hogwash in another dozen attempts.

Malaria is an easily treatable disease. It simply isn't that profitable to produce quinine. It is profitable to make DDT and spray house walls ad infinitum.
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This is so non-sensical it boggles the imagination. Sure quinine is a treatment and even has some suppressive prophylactic use but to even suggest that vector control isn't a huge part of the equation is the very antithesis of your oft repeated "reality outside your back door" mantra. Please familiarize yourself with our nations own National Malaria Eradication Program and the enormous part vector control (with DDT being a huge part) played in that undertaking.
 
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sjt18 said:
Here's something that does. Population geneticists are alarmed at how fast the human genome is accummulating mutations. Virtually all mutations are harmful and those that aren't are almost always linked to some that are. IOW's, each generation of every species but especially humans is getting genetically weaker. Not all of these mutations express themselves in ways that can be noticed or purged by natural selection. They are more likely to express themselves in catastrophic ways as combinations of mutations accummulated over several generations.

IIRC, 100 new mutations are passed on to each child.

This progression of mutation isn't new. It has been going on all along. It isn't a product of industrialization or anything of that sort... It is simply natural law at work- order moving toward disorder.

This is another strong evidence btw against the evolutionary model of how information is increased within a genome. The direct observation is that beneficial mutations are less that 1/1000. They do not result in new functions or systems. They almost universally appear with interdependent relationships with mutations that are harmful to the species overall.

This is happening with all species that have been looked at btw. Creation is winding down... not up.
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I keep hearing this from the creationist crowd but can't find anything on it that is peer-reviewed. Can you help me out?
 
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IPorange said:
I keep hearing this from the creationist crowd but can't find anything on it that is peer-reviewed. Can you help me out?
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I'm admittedly taking a complete intellectual flier here but I would posit that the "survival of the fittest" aspect being essentially removed from modern society, perhaps especially in this country, might play a role.

I can't remember who it was but some comedian I heard had a bit about "protecting the idiots" in our society. He mentioned warnings on hair dryers to not use them in the shower as an example. His argument being "we NEED these people to go ahead and kill themselves lest our gene pool grow ever shallower". (or something to that effect)

If anybody has ever watched the first five minutes of Idiocracy you know what I'm thinking here.
 
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That doesn't explain why certain cancers run in families, or certain risk factors may you more likely to have cancer, i.e., cancer rates are lower in people who eat a vegetarian diet.

Diet has a bigger role then industrial factors IMO.
 
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oklavol said:
That doesn't explain why certain cancers run in families, or certain risk factors may you more likely to have cancer, i.e., cancer rates are lower in people who eat a vegetarian diet.

Diet has a bigger role then industrial factors IMO.
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I think it probably plays a role. However, is this just YHO or do you know of some real data on this subject.

Seriously.
 
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utgibbs said:
I think it probably plays a role. However, is this just YHO or do you know of some real data on this subject.

Seriously.
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BBC NEWS | Health | Vegetarians 'get fewer cancers'

Analysis of data from 52,700 men and women shows that those who did not eat meat had significantly fewer cancers overall than those who did.
But surprisingly, the researchers also found a higher rate of colorectal cancer - a disease linked with eating red meat - among the vegetarians.
Writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition the team said the findings were worth looking into.
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