Cancer is a product of industrial environment

#51
#51
It really improved all of those things.

No, it didn't.

The Enlightment helped ameliorate the proliferation of many of the diseases which plagued mankind.

Not industrialization.

In fact, if we trace the origins of industrialization, we will find life spans shortened, cities befouled, destitution rampant, children exploited, and a host of other ravages. It diminished the general health and wealth of the people.

Social revolutions ameliorated these excesses.

Not industrialization.
 
#53
#53
They can't cure the common cold, and they are worried about where cancer originates?? Seems to me cancer originates where it chooses. Cells can mutate without anything causing it. It just happens, with or without help from outside sources. Sure, there are outside influences that cause issues, but what are you going to tell the smokers that never have it or emphysema?? Some people get it, some people don't, it's just the way it works. I really wish people would start enjoying life, instead of trying to figure out why it goes wrong.

We are well aware of many known carcinogens in daily life.

Figuring out why it goes wrong is why you are able to enjoy the life you do today. :hi:
 
#54
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We are well aware of many known carcinogens in daily life.

Figuring out why it goes wrong is why you are able to enjoy the life you do today. :hi:

I enjoy my life just fine without worrying about some lab somewhere coming up with a cure for anything really. There are a lot of hypochondriacs in the world, and I would love nothing more than to not be one of them.
 
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#55
Did you hit the crack pipe instead of the Cheerios this morning?

let me know what the populations were of the swamp filled areas of hong kong and panama before penicillin and modern ability to drain large bodies of water.
 
#56
#56
As I said, a failure of the imagination.

I can't wait to see the slogans of the future:

CHEAP TAT AND CANCER! To the breach, comrades!

Wait, we have them today on VN.

So you don't have an answer - that's what I thought.
 
#57
#57
No, it didn't.

The Enlightment helped ameliorate the proliferation of many of the diseases which plagued mankind.

Not industrialization.

In fact, if we trace the origins of industrialization, we will find life spans shortened, cities befouled, destitution rampant, children exploited, and a host of other ravages. It diminished the general health and wealth of the people.

Social revolutions ameliorated these excesses.

Not industrialization.

that's quite a list.
 
#58
#58
I enjoy my life just fine without worrying about some lab somewhere coming up with a cure for anything really. There are a lot of hypochondriacs in the world, and I would love nothing more than to not be one of them.

We have the luxury of not worrying about smallpox, typhoid, cholera, etc. And not be hypochondriacs because of people asking questions and working in a lab.
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#59
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We have the luxury of not worrying about smallpox, typhoid, cholera, etc. And not be hypochondriacs because of people asking questions and working in a lab.
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That's what I am saying. They will get us things when they get them, and me or anyone else worrying about it that doesn't have a biochemist or other degree is foolish. That's why I don't bother with politics anymore. There are just too many people who think they are right, instead of worrying about how they can help their friends or family on a daily basis.
 
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#60
I enjoy my life just fine without worrying about some lab somewhere coming up with a cure for anything really. There are a lot of hypochondriacs in the world, and I would love nothing more than to not be one of them.

You don't want to be like "a lot of hypochondriacs" who seek to be cured of disease?

I fully support you in this belief, Eric.
 
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#62
You don't want to be like "a lot of hypochondriacs" who seek to be cured of disease?

I fully support you in this belief, Eric.

Didn't say that. All I'm saying is the people seem to get all worked up about what is going wrong in the world with things they can't control. Focus on what you can control, and the rest will take care of itself.
 
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#63
Didn't say that. All I'm saying is the people seem to get all worked up about what is going wrong in the world with things they can't control. Focus on what you can control, and the rest will take care of itself.

I've made my choice.
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#64
I've seen the increased poverty and destitution run rampant in here a couple if times. It's utter horseshat and it's not surprising that it made its way here.
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I've seen the increased poverty and destitution run rampant in here a couple if times. It's utter horseshat and it's not surprising that it made its way here.
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Not according to the actual people who monitor these things:

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Slum growth 'shames the world'

UN-HABITAT

Communist China is the one bright spot in raising people out of poverty. However, the inequality and polarization is wildly rampant.

http://www.ourfutureplanet.org/news...alization Reducing Poverty and Inequality.pdf
 
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#69
A short summary of my position would be the social sphere would reign supreme over the economic sphere in our current arrangement. The tools of the Enlightment would be first directed towards social concerns, namely, increasing the health and opportunity of the people, or "promoting the general welfare." If you want to call this socialism, that's fine. It seems to capture the true meaning of the world.

Now, it is crucially important the social sphere be grounded in an understanding of the true human predicament. Although I respect ecosophy, and it is helpful, I don't think it is as powerful a philosophy (or living philosophy, whatever the nuance of ecosophy vs ecophilosophy, is) as it could be. I think a full understanding of the human condition assimilates all the vital points of ecosophy.

In short, our social requirements must be met with a strict adherence to the real world outside the back door which could be summarized crudely as "the economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment." Wrecking ecosystems carelessly, as we have done with religious zeal, just won't do.
 
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As I said in my post, but they were the establishment articles.

And they establish what? That the 0.1% thing was made up by you? Or that the foundation behind the cancer is a modern disease theory is pure idiocy?
 
#73
#73
A short summary of my position would be the social sphere would reign supreme over the economic sphere in our current arrangement. The tools of the Enlightment would be first directed towards social concerns, namely, increasing the health and opportunity of the people, or "promoting the general welfare." If you want to call this socialism, that's fine. It seems to capture the true meaning of the world.

Now, it is crucially important the social sphere be grounded in an understanding of the true human predicament. Although I respect ecosophy, and it is helpful, I don't think it is as powerful a philosophy (or living philosophy, whatever the nuance of ecosophy vs ecophilosophy, is) as it could be. I think a full understanding of the human condition assimilates all the vital points of ecosophy.

In short, our social requirements must be met with a strict adherence to the real world outside the back door which could be summarized crudely as "the economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment." Wrecking ecosystems carelessly, as we have done with religious zeal, just won't do.

Unassailable logic, here.

I agree with it wholeheartedly, UTG. Nice work.
 
#74
#74
Unassailable logic, here.

I agree with it wholeheartedly, UTG. Nice work.

you shouldn't encourage him like that. It's like feeding bears in the forests, eventually they become used to it and they have to be put down for their own good.
 

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