Caplan: Never Offered Gruden Close to What He Wanted

#34
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99gator said:
Why are some people afraid to admit hart and cheek did not drop the ball and gruden never wanted to be coach at Tennessee?
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You were here when Kiffin was hired. Many in this fanbase are mesmerized by shiny things. They want a wave of the magic wand... not to be told to have patience while someone builds a program.

Saban, Spurrier, or Petrino are not really good examples of NFL coaches moving to CFB. The results are mixed and success pretty rare for real NFL coaches to move to CFB. Carroll obviously did well at USCw. Mike Sherman who compares well to Gruden as an NFL coach was fired from TAM. He was replaced by a successful mid-major coach who took his players and beat Bama with them.

It seems to take a different type of leadership to succeed in the NFL and CFB. Rarely does someone have a blend to be good at both.

So.... many here believed the rumor mill when it said "Gruden is a done deal" and worse yet that he was a "sure thing" hire. They wanted the quick fix and thought he was it. History suggests something else... but again shiny things impress some people.
 
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It never made sense to me why a Super Bowl winning coach would consider going down to the college level. I know that Bill Walsh did it, but that situation was him going back to Stanford.

Serious Question (because I don't know) Has there ever been a Super Bowl winning coach go down to the college level as a head coach?
 
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volnpowell said:
I will be beyond MAD, if Alabama comes in and PLAYS BIG BOY BALL and gets Gruden when Saban leaves for NFL.
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Not me. I'd count it a blessing.

I'll take my chances in the SEC against Gruden any day over Saban. JG MAY be a great college football coach. He may the savior of the college football world. I don't know. And therein lies the rub. No one really knows. JG's mystique as the leader of a college program is just that. It is absolutely possible that he could take a college HC gig and fail miserably.

We KNOW Saban can do it. We've all seen it.

That said, there's no way Alabama would pursue JG. They'd hire someone that was proven as a college HC.
 
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Jonboy said:
@caplannfl: In regard to U T job. School never offered him close to what he wanted. News that he wants back in the NFL is no surprise; it 's expected.

@caplannfl: On Gruden, several of his former asst. coaches seriously thought they were going to work with him again just a few months ago, per source.
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Good. Glad all that is over. Does not matter now.
 
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volnpowell said:
I will be beyond MAD, if Alabama comes in and PLAYS BIG BOY BALL and gets him when Saban leaves for NFL.
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That would be frigtening, but chances are strongly against it. First, it would take two unlikely events to both occur, Saban to leave and Gruden to take the job. And, if someone like Gruden does want to come back to coaching, the last thing they want to do is to replace a legend while the program is at the apex. They are smart enough to look elsewhere - a program that is down, expectations are lower, and the talent is somewhat better. Examples include Florida twice, no big names took the job after Spurrier left, same with Urban. And, when Saban took the job - it was after Alabama had been run through the ringer.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way it seems. Most coaches are looking for opportunities where they can be successful and make money, not inherit a dynasty where a legend coach just bolted.
 
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99gator said:
Why do real Tennessee fans come on a UT board and act like they know nothing about UT football?
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This is what I was thinking:

There is no way you have time to follow Florida AND Tennessee sports this closely unless you are unemployed. Am I right so far? So, you are either a UT fan through and through, and present yourself as a Gator, for attention, or, you dont have a job, and have all the extra time anyone would need to follow 2 teams. Which one is it?
 
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From someone close to elder Haslam.....Gruden was NEVER coming to UT. All the rumors were a smokescreen. Butch Jones was high on the radar from day one. No contact because he wanted to coach the year out undisturbed. Ergo the reason he turned down other offers. This is a friend of mine, not revealing names or more about the source. TIFWIW.
 
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