Carroll v. Trump ($88 million judgment for Carroll)

Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson


83 million?

Donald Trump in furor stormed out of a New York courtroom for a while, in the defamation suit brought by author and dating/boyfriend/sex-advice columnist E. Jean Carroll.

It was just settled against Trump for $83.3 million! The Carroll suit was largely subsidized by Reid Hoffman the billionaire capitalist, and mega-donor to the Democratic Party and leftwing causes.

The subtext of Trump’s rage, aside from the outrageous monetary size of the defamation ruling, is that he was facing—and angered—a leftwing claimant, a quite hostile leftwing judge, and a leftwing New York jury.

The civil suit serves as a mere preview of four additional leftwing criminal prosecutions, leftwing judges, and leftwing juries to come—all on charges that would never had been filed if Trump either had not run for president or been a liberal progressive.

Yet here we are.

The E. Jean Carroll case is the most baffling of all five. She, the alleged victim, did not remember even the year in which the purported sexual assault took place, nearly three decades ago. Observers have pointed out dozens of inconsistencies in her story.

It was never clear what were the preliminaries that supposedly (Trump denies meeting her) led both, allegedly, willingly to retreat together to a department store dressing room, where during normal business hours the alleged violence took place.

Moreover, the sexual assault complaint came forward decades post facto—and only after Trump was running for and then president.

Carroll eventually sued him for battery, but well after the statute of limitations had expired and thus the case seemed defunct.

Her claims of defamation injuries arise from being fired from her advice column job at ELLE magazine.

She claimed that Trump’s sharp denials and ad hominem retorts led to her career ruin. But the loss for anyone of a column at 76 does not seem such a rare occurrence, and the absence of a salaried job in one’s late seventies for four years does not seem to equate to a $83 million hit.

And note the allegation that her dispute with Trump led to her firing was strongly denied by the very magazine that cut her loose.

But then another strange thing happened. In 2022, a new law (“The Adult Survivors Act”) was passed in the New York legislature. It also post facto established a twelve-month window (beginning six months from the signing of bill) that permitted survivors of long ago alleged sexual assaults suddenly to sue the accused long-ago perpetrator—regardless of the previous statute of limitations.

That unexpected opening suddenly gave Carroll’s prior unsuccessful efforts a rebirth. And she quickly refiled with the help of arch-Trump hating billionaire Hoffman.

Yet the bill may have been introduced with Trump particularly in mind—given the legislator who introduced it, Brad Hoylman-Siga, was known as another Trump antagonist.

More interestingly, he had earlier introduced and had passed another Trump-targeted bill. That “TRUST” act had empowered particular federal Congressional committees to have access to the New York State once sealed tax returns of high-ranking government officials—such as Trump.

That bill’s generally agreed subtext was a green light for anti-Trump members of Congress to obtain legal access to Donald J. Trump's tax returns.

So there is an eerie feeling that the New York legislature may have abruptly passed legislation that was aimed at the past conduct of Donald Trump but only after he entered the political arena.

While these are not quite bills of attainder, there is something unsettling if they are post facto laws aimed at targeting the most famous and controversial man in America and the leading candidate for the presidency.

In essence they were targeted statutes designed to make Trump’s prior legally unactionable behavior suddenly quite legally actionable.

Trump will be subject to such special treatment all summer and fall.

Prosecutors Bragg, James, Smith, and Willis will synchronize their court business for maximum effect.

Trump again will face leftwing prosecutors, judges, and juries on charges that are politically driven, involving alleged behavior that is either usually not criminalized or not to the same degree as Trump’s case. (Do we remember the nearly $375,000 federal fine belatedly leveled at an exempt Obama but only five years after his 2008 illegal garnering of, and not reporting, foreign campaign contributions?)

The stakes are higher each day as Trump closes in on the nomination and thus becomes the hope of half the country to end the Biden madness.

Somehow Trump will have to stay calm, give no opening to his legion of hostile prosecutors, while conducting a nonstop campaign against Biden (and for a while Hayley), and while fighting to keep his name on various state ballots.

So what we are witnessing is not even the extralegal efforts of Steele/Fusion GPS, Perkins Coie/DNC/Hillary Clinton in 2016, or the 2020 “Russian disinformation” ruse/change the voting laws/infuse half a billion dollars to absorb the work of the registrar machinations against Trump.

We are way beyond all that. The legal system itself, hand-in-glove with leftwing politicos (compare campaign boasts of James and Willis, or prosecutorial visits to the January 6 committee and the White House) is turning the process of balloting and elections into an embarrassing farce.

Still, Trump will have to soldier on. He must stay controlled amid the tsunamis, not play into the hands of his accusers, and remember that he may soon be the only eleventh-hour hope to stop this mockery of American law, customs and traditions.
 
Imagine having such bad legal counsel that a hillbilly message board attorney like you is able to drive mack trucks through the prosecutions arguments.

Just another example of Donnys poor leadership and hiring decisions.
Your hatred of Trump blinds you to all the corruption of the trial, jury and judge. Trump was already guilty before the trial even started no matter the evidence brought forth by prosecuters.
 
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You want to blame Trump for covid and people having to stay home and not work, but then credit Biden for job"creation" when all that happen is those people went back to work...can't have it both ways.
Covid would be a nightmare for any President. You cannot have it both ways and btw you are the one that brought Covid into the conversation. Says nothing about the issues he had created Pre Covid. Only issues I had with Trump regarding Covid was going with the "herd mentality", trusting Fauci, and making stupid statements on how to handle it. I didn't mind him telling people it was not required and their choice but Trump talks to much and by doing so he digs himself into a stupid hole. Not a leader just a rambler that likes to hear himself talk.
 
Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson


83 million?

Donald Trump in furor stormed out of a New York courtroom for a while, in the defamation suit brought by author and dating/boyfriend/sex-advice columnist E. Jean Carroll.

It was just settled against Trump for $83.3 million! The Carroll suit was largely subsidized by Reid Hoffman the billionaire capitalist, and mega-donor to the Democratic Party and leftwing causes.

The subtext of Trump’s rage, aside from the outrageous monetary size of the defamation ruling, is that he was facing—and angered—a leftwing claimant, a quite hostile leftwing judge, and a leftwing New York jury.

The civil suit serves as a mere preview of four additional leftwing criminal prosecutions, leftwing judges, and leftwing juries to come—all on charges that would never had been filed if Trump either had not run for president or been a liberal progressive.

Yet here we are.

The E. Jean Carroll case is the most baffling of all five. She, the alleged victim, did not remember even the year in which the purported sexual assault took place, nearly three decades ago. Observers have pointed out dozens of inconsistencies in her story.

It was never clear what were the preliminaries that supposedly (Trump denies meeting her) led both, allegedly, willingly to retreat together to a department store dressing room, where during normal business hours the alleged violence took place.

Moreover, the sexual assault complaint came forward decades post facto—and only after Trump was running for and then president.

Carroll eventually sued him for battery, but well after the statute of limitations had expired and thus the case seemed defunct.

Her claims of defamation injuries arise from being fired from her advice column job at ELLE magazine.

She claimed that Trump’s sharp denials and ad hominem retorts led to her career ruin. But the loss for anyone of a column at 76 does not seem such a rare occurrence, and the absence of a salaried job in one’s late seventies for four years does not seem to equate to a $83 million hit.

And note the allegation that her dispute with Trump led to her firing was strongly denied by the very magazine that cut her loose.

But then another strange thing happened. In 2022, a new law (“The Adult Survivors Act”) was passed in the New York legislature. It also post facto established a twelve-month window (beginning six months from the signing of bill) that permitted survivors of long ago alleged sexual assaults suddenly to sue the accused long-ago perpetrator—regardless of the previous statute of limitations.

That unexpected opening suddenly gave Carroll’s prior unsuccessful efforts a rebirth. And she quickly refiled with the help of arch-Trump hating billionaire Hoffman.

Yet the bill may have been introduced with Trump particularly in mind—given the legislator who introduced it, Brad Hoylman-Siga, was known as another Trump antagonist.

More interestingly, he had earlier introduced and had passed another Trump-targeted bill. That “TRUST” act had empowered particular federal Congressional committees to have access to the New York State once sealed tax returns of high-ranking government officials—such as Trump.

That bill’s generally agreed subtext was a green light for anti-Trump members of Congress to obtain legal access to Donald J. Trump's tax returns.

So there is an eerie feeling that the New York legislature may have abruptly passed legislation that was aimed at the past conduct of Donald Trump but only after he entered the political arena.

While these are not quite bills of attainder, there is something unsettling if they are post facto laws aimed at targeting the most famous and controversial man in America and the leading candidate for the presidency.

In essence they were targeted statutes designed to make Trump’s prior legally unactionable behavior suddenly quite legally actionable.

Trump will be subject to such special treatment all summer and fall.

Prosecutors Bragg, James, Smith, and Willis will synchronize their court business for maximum effect.

Trump again will face leftwing prosecutors, judges, and juries on charges that are politically driven, involving alleged behavior that is either usually not criminalized or not to the same degree as Trump’s case. (Do we remember the nearly $375,000 federal fine belatedly leveled at an exempt Obama but only five years after his 2008 illegal garnering of, and not reporting, foreign campaign contributions?)

The stakes are higher each day as Trump closes in on the nomination and thus becomes the hope of half the country to end the Biden madness.

Somehow Trump will have to stay calm, give no opening to his legion of hostile prosecutors, while conducting a nonstop campaign against Biden (and for a while Hayley), and while fighting to keep his name on various state ballots.

So what we are witnessing is not even the extralegal efforts of Steele/Fusion GPS, Perkins Coie/DNC/Hillary Clinton in 2016, or the 2020 “Russian disinformation” ruse/change the voting laws/infuse half a billion dollars to absorb the work of the registrar machinations against Trump.

We are way beyond all that. The legal system itself, hand-in-glove with leftwing politicos (compare campaign boasts of James and Willis, or prosecutorial visits to the January 6 committee and the White House) is turning the process of balloting and elections into an embarrassing farce.

Still, Trump will have to soldier on. He must stay controlled amid the tsunamis, not play into the hands of his accusers, and remember that he may soon be the only eleventh-hour hope to stop this mockery of American law, customs and traditions.
Witch Hunt, probably so. But Trump has nobody to blame but himself. He could have easily avoided the Circus and drama but he chose not to do so. He dug his own grave and here we are getting ready to elect another 4 year failed administration. At least Biden got something done. Next 10 months is going to be interesting regarding the House, Senate and the Supreme Court. A Trump or Biden win will end up in more Impeachments and turmoil. Congress will continue to be lame ducked. Revenge Term vs Do Nothing Congress.
 
Covid would be a nightmare for any President. You cannot have it both ways and btw you are the one that brought Covid into the conversation. Says nothing about the issues he had created Pre Covid. Only issues I had with Trump regarding Covid was going with the "herd mentality", trusting Fauci, and making stupid statements on how to handle it. I didn't mind him telling people it was not required and their choice but Trump talks to much and by doing so he digs himself into a stupid hole. Not a leader just a rambler that likes to hear himself talk.
Your perosnal attacks of Trump do not change the fact that Trump had the country in its best position in decades before covid came along that brought about unemployemnt, budget deficits, etc. If Trump had not had the economy in great shape before covid, it would have been lot worse than it was.
 
Witch Hunt, probably so. But Trump has nobody to blame but himself. He could have easily avoided the Circus and drama but he chose not to do so. He dug his own grave and here we are getting ready to elect another 4 year failed administration. At least Biden got something done. Next 10 months is going to be interesting regarding the House, Senate and the Supreme Court. A Trump or Biden win will end up in more Impeachments and turmoil. Congress will continue to be lame ducked. Revenge Term vs Do Nothing Congress.
you admit it was witch hunt. Other liberals here won't admit that and claim it was all a "fair" trial when anyone with half a mind could see it was not fair. Biden got something done...highest inflation in decades prices up 17%, food up 20%, Afghanistan, started wars, invasion of the southern border, weaponized DOJ against rival, military in worse shape in many decades, lies all the time about things and has made a general mess of everything as Dem presidents as Obama, Clinton, Carter have done. Lowest approval rating shows the public sees he's incompetent. Others are running the show Biden is just a puppet who does not know where to stand or go to in press events. Stolen elections have consequences.


"Biden has attained virtually no successes as president. But as the above list attests, he has produced a lifetime's worth of major failures in less than a year."

 
Ryan Fournier
@RyanAFournier

In case you didn’t know, E Jean Carroll has accused many men of raping or sexually assaulting her…

Including a babysitter’s boyfriend, a dentist, a camp counselor, an unnamed college date, an unnamed boss and CBS chief executive Les Moonves - Per The National Pulse

This is why she’s not credible.



"Layered between Carroll’s road trip, childhood and career stories (she wrote for Esquire, Outside, Rolling Stone, New York, Playboy and Saturday Night Live) are bone-chilling descriptions of monsters like No 6, Old Cam the camp counselor who repeatedly molests her “even in the dining room during dinner, under the table, squeezing my thighs, shoving his fingers – saying, ‘You’re my girl. You’re my girl’ and making me promise ‘not to tell anyone’”. She was 12.

There’s No 7, the babysitter’s boyfriend who makes her pull down her pants and fondles her “guinea” while the babysitter watches.

No 1 is an Indiana University student who drives her into the woods and tries to rape her at knifepoint. She barely escapes."

“The jolly octopus”, No 15, is disgraced former CBS chief executive Less Moonves, who mashes her in a hotel elevator after she interviews him for Esquire."


"If Carroll had a tattoo for every time she was insulted, fondled or attacked by a “chap”, she would look like a Maori warrior.
"
 
Jeff Clark
@JeffClarkUS

Let me make a mathematical point about the new E. Jean Carroll verdict — actually a mathematical point combined with a point about the law of preclusion.

The original verdict was about $5 million, which should be res judicata between Trump and Carroll for damage to her reputation.

But the new verdict is over $83 million.

This makes no mathematical sense and cannot be squared with the law of preclusion. The only way that the damages for renewed defamation could exceed the original $5 million is by virtue of a new punitive damages component which itself cannot be unmoored to baseline compensatory damages. A reputation once injured and compensated cannot be recompensed a second time at more than an order of magnitude higher than the original recompense.

But the damages here do not meet those basic conditions. Ergo, it is illogical. Ergo, it is illegal. Ergo, it is a travesty of justice.

Q.E.D.
 
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Your hatred of Trump blinds you to all the corruption of the trial, jury and judge. Trump was already guilty before the trial even started no matter the evidence brought forth by prosecuters.

The trial, jury and judge found him guilty. A separate jury awarded the $83m. At what point do you reconcile that this a**hole is not the victim? They're making decisions based on court room evidence, you're making yours in the echo chamber of truth social.
 
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The trial, jury and judge found him guilty. A separate jury awarded the $83m. At what point do you reconcile that this a**hole is not the victim? They're making decisions based on court room evidence, you're making yours in the echo chamber of truth social.
You and your silly Occam's razor. Don't you get it man, it's a massive globalist conspiracy (read Jewish) to get Trump, God's messenger sent here to save America (from black and brown people).
 
Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson


83 million?

Donald Trump in furor stormed out of a New York courtroom for a while, in the defamation suit brought by author and dating/boyfriend/sex-advice columnist E. Jean Carroll.

It was just settled against Trump for $83.3 million! The Carroll suit was largely subsidized by Reid Hoffman the billionaire capitalist, and mega-donor to the Democratic Party and leftwing causes.

The subtext of Trump’s rage, aside from the outrageous monetary size of the defamation ruling, is that he was facing—and angered—a leftwing claimant, a quite hostile leftwing judge, and a leftwing New York jury.

The civil suit serves as a mere preview of four additional leftwing criminal prosecutions, leftwing judges, and leftwing juries to come—all on charges that would never had been filed if Trump either had not run for president or been a liberal progressive.

Yet here we are.

The E. Jean Carroll case is the most baffling of all five. She, the alleged victim, did not remember even the year in which the purported sexual assault took place, nearly three decades ago. Observers have pointed out dozens of inconsistencies in her story.

It was never clear what were the preliminaries that supposedly (Trump denies meeting her) led both, allegedly, willingly to retreat together to a department store dressing room, where during normal business hours the alleged violence took place.

Moreover, the sexual assault complaint came forward decades post facto—and only after Trump was running for and then president.

Carroll eventually sued him for battery, but well after the statute of limitations had expired and thus the case seemed defunct.

Her claims of defamation injuries arise from being fired from her advice column job at ELLE magazine.

She claimed that Trump’s sharp denials and ad hominem retorts led to her career ruin. But the loss for anyone of a column at 76 does not seem such a rare occurrence, and the absence of a salaried job in one’s late seventies for four years does not seem to equate to a $83 million hit.

And note the allegation that her dispute with Trump led to her firing was strongly denied by the very magazine that cut her loose.

But then another strange thing happened. In 2022, a new law (“The Adult Survivors Act”) was passed in the New York legislature. It also post facto established a twelve-month window (beginning six months from the signing of bill) that permitted survivors of long ago alleged sexual assaults suddenly to sue the accused long-ago perpetrator—regardless of the previous statute of limitations.

That unexpected opening suddenly gave Carroll’s prior unsuccessful efforts a rebirth. And she quickly refiled with the help of arch-Trump hating billionaire Hoffman.

Yet the bill may have been introduced with Trump particularly in mind—given the legislator who introduced it, Brad Hoylman-Siga, was known as another Trump antagonist.

More interestingly, he had earlier introduced and had passed another Trump-targeted bill. That “TRUST” act had empowered particular federal Congressional committees to have access to the New York State once sealed tax returns of high-ranking government officials—such as Trump.

That bill’s generally agreed subtext was a green light for anti-Trump members of Congress to obtain legal access to Donald J. Trump's tax returns.

So there is an eerie feeling that the New York legislature may have abruptly passed legislation that was aimed at the past conduct of Donald Trump but only after he entered the political arena.

While these are not quite bills of attainder, there is something unsettling if they are post facto laws aimed at targeting the most famous and controversial man in America and the leading candidate for the presidency.

In essence they were targeted statutes designed to make Trump’s prior legally unactionable behavior suddenly quite legally actionable.

Trump will be subject to such special treatment all summer and fall.

Prosecutors Bragg, James, Smith, and Willis will synchronize their court business for maximum effect.

Trump again will face leftwing prosecutors, judges, and juries on charges that are politically driven, involving alleged behavior that is either usually not criminalized or not to the same degree as Trump’s case. (Do we remember the nearly $375,000 federal fine belatedly leveled at an exempt Obama but only five years after his 2008 illegal garnering of, and not reporting, foreign campaign contributions?)

The stakes are higher each day as Trump closes in on the nomination and thus becomes the hope of half the country to end the Biden madness.

Somehow Trump will have to stay calm, give no opening to his legion of hostile prosecutors, while conducting a nonstop campaign against Biden (and for a while Hayley), and while fighting to keep his name on various state ballots.

So what we are witnessing is not even the extralegal efforts of Steele/Fusion GPS, Perkins Coie/DNC/Hillary Clinton in 2016, or the 2020 “Russian disinformation” ruse/change the voting laws/infuse half a billion dollars to absorb the work of the registrar machinations against Trump.

We are way beyond all that. The legal system itself, hand-in-glove with leftwing politicos (compare campaign boasts of James and Willis, or prosecutorial visits to the January 6 committee and the White House) is turning the process of balloting and elections into an embarrassing farce.

Still, Trump will have to soldier on. He must stay controlled amid the tsunamis, not play into the hands of his accusers, and remember that he may soon be the only eleventh-hour hope to stop this mockery of American law, customs and traditions.
Laughable.

MAGA wants to believe Trump's problems are created by "...leftwing claimant, a quite hostile leftwing judge, and a leftwing NY jury..." instead of using common sense and thinking maybe he shouldn't have raped a woman and then repeatedly ran his mouth about said woman.

Aren't you guys tired of playing the Trump martyr card??
 
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Your perosnal attacks of Trump do not change the fact that Trump had the country in its best position in decades before covid came along that brought about unemployemnt, budget deficits, etc. If Trump had not had the economy in great shape before covid, it would have been lot worse than it was.
Please explain what you mean by "...Trump had the country in its best position in decades before covid came along..."

And, use something other than the oft-repeated MAGA line of "Well...I got nothing, so I'll say he kept us out of any new wars."
 
Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson


83 million?

Donald Trump in furor stormed out of a New York courtroom for a while, in the defamation suit brought by author and dating/boyfriend/sex-advice columnist E. Jean Carroll.

It was just settled against Trump for $83.3 million! The Carroll suit was largely subsidized by Reid Hoffman the billionaire capitalist, and mega-donor to the Democratic Party and leftwing causes.

The subtext of Trump’s rage, aside from the outrageous monetary size of the defamation ruling, is that he was facing—and angered—a leftwing claimant, a quite hostile leftwing judge, and a leftwing New York jury.

The civil suit serves as a mere preview of four additional leftwing criminal prosecutions, leftwing judges, and leftwing juries to come—all on charges that would never had been filed if Trump either had not run for president or been a liberal progressive.

Yet here we are.

The E. Jean Carroll case is the most baffling of all five. She, the alleged victim, did not remember even the year in which the purported sexual assault took place, nearly three decades ago. Observers have pointed out dozens of inconsistencies in her story.

It was never clear what were the preliminaries that supposedly (Trump denies meeting her) led both, allegedly, willingly to retreat together to a department store dressing room, where during normal business hours the alleged violence took place.

Moreover, the sexual assault complaint came forward decades post facto—and only after Trump was running for and then president.

Carroll eventually sued him for battery, but well after the statute of limitations had expired and thus the case seemed defunct.

Her claims of defamation injuries arise from being fired from her advice column job at ELLE magazine.

She claimed that Trump’s sharp denials and ad hominem retorts led to her career ruin. But the loss for anyone of a column at 76 does not seem such a rare occurrence, and the absence of a salaried job in one’s late seventies for four years does not seem to equate to a $83 million hit.

And note the allegation that her dispute with Trump led to her firing was strongly denied by the very magazine that cut her loose.

But then another strange thing happened. In 2022, a new law (“The Adult Survivors Act”) was passed in the New York legislature. It also post facto established a twelve-month window (beginning six months from the signing of bill) that permitted survivors of long ago alleged sexual assaults suddenly to sue the accused long-ago perpetrator—regardless of the previous statute of limitations.

That unexpected opening suddenly gave Carroll’s prior unsuccessful efforts a rebirth. And she quickly refiled with the help of arch-Trump hating billionaire Hoffman.

Yet the bill may have been introduced with Trump particularly in mind—given the legislator who introduced it, Brad Hoylman-Siga, was known as another Trump antagonist.

More interestingly, he had earlier introduced and had passed another Trump-targeted bill. That “TRUST” act had empowered particular federal Congressional committees to have access to the New York State once sealed tax returns of high-ranking government officials—such as Trump.

That bill’s generally agreed subtext was a green light for anti-Trump members of Congress to obtain legal access to Donald J. Trump's tax returns.

So there is an eerie feeling that the New York legislature may have abruptly passed legislation that was aimed at the past conduct of Donald Trump but only after he entered the political arena.

While these are not quite bills of attainder, there is something unsettling if they are post facto laws aimed at targeting the most famous and controversial man in America and the leading candidate for the presidency.

In essence they were targeted statutes designed to make Trump’s prior legally unactionable behavior suddenly quite legally actionable.

Trump will be subject to such special treatment all summer and fall.

Prosecutors Bragg, James, Smith, and Willis will synchronize their court business for maximum effect.

Trump again will face leftwing prosecutors, judges, and juries on charges that are politically driven, involving alleged behavior that is either usually not criminalized or not to the same degree as Trump’s case. (Do we remember the nearly $375,000 federal fine belatedly leveled at an exempt Obama but only five years after his 2008 illegal garnering of, and not reporting, foreign campaign contributions?)

The stakes are higher each day as Trump closes in on the nomination and thus becomes the hope of half the country to end the Biden madness.

Somehow Trump will have to stay calm, give no opening to his legion of hostile prosecutors, while conducting a nonstop campaign against Biden (and for a while Hayley), and while fighting to keep his name on various state ballots.

So what we are witnessing is not even the extralegal efforts of Steele/Fusion GPS, Perkins Coie/DNC/Hillary Clinton in 2016, or the 2020 “Russian disinformation” ruse/change the voting laws/infuse half a billion dollars to absorb the work of the registrar machinations against Trump.

We are way beyond all that. The legal system itself, hand-in-glove with leftwing politicos (compare campaign boasts of James and Willis, or prosecutorial visits to the January 6 committee and the White House) is turning the process of balloting and elections into an embarrassing farce.

Still, Trump will have to soldier on. He must stay controlled amid the tsunamis, not play into the hands of his accusers, and remember that he may soon be the only eleventh-hour hope to stop this mockery of American law, customs and traditions.

Excellent piece by Hanson. The legal system in America has turned into a joke. It is really a political system. It's not worth believing in any longer. There seems to be unqualified people at every level who are incompetent. It is extension of what we see in news rooms, academia, etc.

This is the same group that set violent criminals free to continue to strike fear and commit more crime in the name of social justice and criminal reform.

Now they have awarded a bat sheet crazy woman who appears to be lonely a judgment for $88M. There appears to be no real or concrete facts, there was no doctor visit, she appears to not have confided in a single real person and waited 3 decades. This case reeks of a joke and a banana republic.

With judgments like this no one appears safe when this whole thing built on a weak fantasy land can land someone a $88M pay day at 76 to continue her hermit lifestyle. It turns real sexual violence victim cases into a joke.
 
Your hatred of Trump blinds you to all the corruption of the trial, jury and judge. Trump was already guilty before the trial even started no matter the evidence brought forth by prosecuters.

You are talking to dishonest crack pipes. These are the type of people you watch your back when you are around, and when they claim to go for the knife to slice the roast beef you go for the cutting board to hit them in the head. It's the silent civil war.
 
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Your hatred of Trump blinds you to all the corruption of the trial, jury and judge. Trump was already guilty before the trial even started no matter the evidence brought forth by prosecuters.
Yes, he had already been found to have defamed Carroll. He had his shot to defeat that claim in the first trial. He lost. This trial was about damages because he couldn't stop himself from defaming Carroll and he kept on doing it.

Trump may like his mulligans in golf, but when you get to court res judicata is the kryptonite for mulligans.
 
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Laughable.

MAGA wants to believe Trump's problems are created by "...leftwing claimant, a quite hostile leftwing judge, and a leftwing NY jury..." instead of using common sense and thinking maybe he shouldn't have raped a woman and then repeatedly ran his mouth about said woman.

Aren't you guys tired of playing the Trump martyr card??
the rape was a lie......no proof, no evidence

Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson
The court ruled that Donald Trump is not guilty of rape in the case of E. Jean Carroll.
 
Please explain what you mean by "...Trump had the country in its best position in decades before covid came along..."

And, use something other than the oft-repeated MAGA line of "Well...I got nothing, so I'll say he kept us out of any new wars."
low inflation, lowest unemployment, energy independent with $1.87 gallon gas, strong military, no wars for the world leaders were scared pf Trump are a few.
 
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Laughable.

MAGA wants to believe Trump's problems are created by "...leftwing claimant, a quite hostile leftwing judge, and a leftwing NY jury..." instead of using common sense and thinking maybe he shouldn't have raped a woman and then repeatedly ran his mouth about said woman.

Aren't you guys tired of playing the Trump martyr card??
Serious question, what was the evidence of the rape?
 
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the rape was a lie......no proof, no evidence

Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson
The court ruled that Donald Trump is not guilty of rape in the case of E. Jean Carroll.
Did the court find he was liable for sexual abuse??
 
Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson


83 million?

Donald Trump in furor stormed out of a New York courtroom for a while, in the defamation suit brought by author and dating/boyfriend/sex-advice columnist E. Jean Carroll.

It was just settled against Trump for $83.3 million! The Carroll suit was largely subsidized by Reid Hoffman the billionaire capitalist, and mega-donor to the Democratic Party and leftwing causes.

The subtext of Trump’s rage, aside from the outrageous monetary size of the defamation ruling, is that he was facing—and angered—a leftwing claimant, a quite hostile leftwing judge, and a leftwing New York jury.

The civil suit serves as a mere preview of four additional leftwing criminal prosecutions, leftwing judges, and leftwing juries to come—all on charges that would never had been filed if Trump either had not run for president or been a liberal progressive.

Yet here we are.

The E. Jean Carroll case is the most baffling of all five. She, the alleged victim, did not remember even the year in which the purported sexual assault took place, nearly three decades ago. Observers have pointed out dozens of inconsistencies in her story.

It was never clear what were the preliminaries that supposedly (Trump denies meeting her) led both, allegedly, willingly to retreat together to a department store dressing room, where during normal business hours the alleged violence took place.

Moreover, the sexual assault complaint came forward decades post facto—and only after Trump was running for and then president.

Carroll eventually sued him for battery, but well after the statute of limitations had expired and thus the case seemed defunct.

Her claims of defamation injuries arise from being fired from her advice column job at ELLE magazine.

She claimed that Trump’s sharp denials and ad hominem retorts led to her career ruin. But the loss for anyone of a column at 76 does not seem such a rare occurrence, and the absence of a salaried job in one’s late seventies for four years does not seem to equate to a $83 million hit.

And note the allegation that her dispute with Trump led to her firing was strongly denied by the very magazine that cut her loose.

But then another strange thing happened. In 2022, a new law (“The Adult Survivors Act”) was passed in the New York legislature. It also post facto established a twelve-month window (beginning six months from the signing of bill) that permitted survivors of long ago alleged sexual assaults suddenly to sue the accused long-ago perpetrator—regardless of the previous statute of limitations.

That unexpected opening suddenly gave Carroll’s prior unsuccessful efforts a rebirth. And she quickly refiled with the help of arch-Trump hating billionaire Hoffman.

Yet the bill may have been introduced with Trump particularly in mind—given the legislator who introduced it, Brad Hoylman-Siga, was known as another Trump antagonist.

More interestingly, he had earlier introduced and had passed another Trump-targeted bill. That “TRUST” act had empowered particular federal Congressional committees to have access to the New York State once sealed tax returns of high-ranking government officials—such as Trump.

That bill’s generally agreed subtext was a green light for anti-Trump members of Congress to obtain legal access to Donald J. Trump's tax returns.

So there is an eerie feeling that the New York legislature may have abruptly passed legislation that was aimed at the past conduct of Donald Trump but only after he entered the political arena.

While these are not quite bills of attainder, there is something unsettling if they are post facto laws aimed at targeting the most famous and controversial man in America and the leading candidate for the presidency.

In essence they were targeted statutes designed to make Trump’s prior legally unactionable behavior suddenly quite legally actionable.

Trump will be subject to such special treatment all summer and fall.

Prosecutors Bragg, James, Smith, and Willis will synchronize their court business for maximum effect.

Trump again will face leftwing prosecutors, judges, and juries on charges that are politically driven, involving alleged behavior that is either usually not criminalized or not to the same degree as Trump’s case. (Do we remember the nearly $375,000 federal fine belatedly leveled at an exempt Obama but only five years after his 2008 illegal garnering of, and not reporting, foreign campaign contributions?)

The stakes are higher each day as Trump closes in on the nomination and thus becomes the hope of half the country to end the Biden madness.

Somehow Trump will have to stay calm, give no opening to his legion of hostile prosecutors, while conducting a nonstop campaign against Biden (and for a while Hayley), and while fighting to keep his name on various state ballots.

So what we are witnessing is not even the extralegal efforts of Steele/Fusion GPS, Perkins Coie/DNC/Hillary Clinton in 2016, or the 2020 “Russian disinformation” ruse/change the voting laws/infuse half a billion dollars to absorb the work of the registrar machinations against Trump.

We are way beyond all that. The legal system itself, hand-in-glove with leftwing politicos (compare campaign boasts of James and Willis, or prosecutorial visits to the January 6 committee and the White House) is turning the process of balloting and elections into an embarrassing farce.

Still, Trump will have to soldier on. He must stay controlled amid the tsunamis, not play into the hands of his accusers, and remember that he may soon be the only eleventh-hour hope to stop this mockery of American law, customs and traditions.
This is what I like to call "Lilly Ledbetterism"...be not good at what you do and blame men for it.
 
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Yes, he had already been found to have defamed Carroll. He had his shot to defeat that claim in the first trial. He lost. This trial was about damages because he couldn't stop himself from defaming Carroll and he kept on doing it.

Trump may like his mulligans in golf, but when you get to court res judicata is the kryptonite for mulligans.
Trump was found not guilty of rape therefore Carroll defamed Trump lying that he raped her..Trump should sue her for defamation. Trump has a right to defend himself against this liar and defending himself against a liar is not defamation.
 
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I did not follow the trial closely until the verdict was announced, but I'm reading from court observers that Habba Dabba Doo didn't make make basic evidentiary objections at trial that would have provided her with a basis to appeal.

 
The trial, jury and judge found him guilty. A separate jury awarded the $83m. At what point do you reconcile that this a**hole is not the victim? They're making decisions based on court room evidence, you're making yours in the echo chamber of truth social.
Trump was the innocent party here, Carroll falsely accused Trump of rape and Trump was found not guilty of rape...Carroll defamed Trump, she should be paying Trump millions.
 

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