Carson Beck out for playoffs

[RockiesTop22]

Looks like he needs elbow surgery.

Never happy when I guy gets injured- but maybe he should’ve saved that Lambo money- draft stock already plummeted now this.

Anyone think they can beat presumably Notre Dame without him? I wouldn’t be surprised- but I don’t think they can make a full run without him.

 

[Visidog]

Looks like he needs elbow surgery.

Never happy when I guy gets injured- but maybe he should’ve saved that Lambo money- draft stock already plummeted now this.

Anyone think they can beat presumably Notre Dame without him? I wouldn’t be surprised- but I don’t think they can make a full run without him.

It will be a challenge without Beck because our passing game is simpler with Stockton. Yet Stockton is a big time athlete in his own right and brings some wrinkles in the QB run game that Beck lacks. Don’t laugh, but Mike Bobo knows a thing or two about coaching QBs. The passing game will be more hitches, more flood routes into the short side of the field with an option to run wide, and maybe even some triple RPO. I could see us running a lot more jet sweep action, too.

UGA’s odds to win it all are lower with Stockton. He’s been the backup for a reason and nobody was clamoring for him even when Beck was throwing 2-3 picks a game. There’s definitely some drop off, but perhaps not as much as with other teams (except Texas, obviously). UGA still plays pretty nasty defense, too. There are plenty of teams that can beat a Beck-less UGA—and I’d include ND in that group—but they’ll have to earn it.

 

[RockiesTop22]

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It will be a challenge without Beck because our passing game is simpler with Stockton. Yet Stockton is a big time athlete in his own right and brings some wrinkles in the QB run game that Beck lacks. Don’t laugh, but Mike Bobo knows a thing or two about coaching QBs. The passing game will be more hitches, more flood routes into the short side of the field with an option to run wide, and maybe even some triple RPO. I could see us running a lot more jet sweep action, too.

UGA’s odds to win it all are lower with Stockton. He’s been the backup for a reason and nobody was clamoring for him even when Beck was throwing 2-3 picks a game. There’s definitely some drop off, but perhaps not as much as with other teams (except Texas, obviously). UGA still plays pretty nasty defense, too. There are plenty of teams that can beat a Beck-less UGA—and I’d include ND in that group—but they’ll have to earn it.

Gunner was definitely a stud in HS. But with the lack of elite WR talent it will be interesting to see how much damage he can do.

If this was a uga defense like those the last few years I would say uga rolls. Will be tough but you do have what I consider a much lighter side of the bracket so that’s in your favor.

 

[Visidog]

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Gunner was definitely a stud in HS. But with the lack of elite WR talent it will be interesting to see how much damage he can do.

If this was a uga defense like those the last few years I would say uga rolls. Will be tough but you do have what I consider a much lighter side of the bracket so that’s in your favor.

No doubt on the bracket. No disrespect to ND or PSU, but our side is light compared to yours.

A healthy Dillon Bell goes a long way at WR because he often plays out of the backfield.

I don’t love Stockton’s throwing motion. It’s fine and compact enough on short and intermediate throws, but he takes an extra beat to load up on long throws. The deep pass game will be an adventure. And he lacks Beck’s awareness. Texas’s pass defense is as good as anybody’s, but he got fooled a couple times in bad moments and kinda froze up.

I’ll care too much and get way too invested. I’ll throw things and complain loudly. But it’d be healthier to view this as house money bets from here out. It’s an adventure. Let’s see how far it goes.

 

[volfan102455]

So the automatic bye kept Georgia in the 12-team playoff. I do wonder if we were operating on the same format as last year would UGA have gotten the same treatment as FSU? We will never know - but could have been a big controversy.

I don't see UGA winning now.

 

[Nooga]

So the automatic bye kept Georgia in the 12-team playoff. I do wonder if we were operating on the same format as last year would UGA have gotten the same treatment as FSU? We will never know - but could have been a big controversy.

I don't see UGA winning now.

Auto bye had nothing to do with it. They were the SEC champs. Went 4-0 versus playoff teams. Still found a way to beat Texas after Beck went down. Not even close to the same situation as FSU. They can probably still bully their way to the finals. But yeah probably not winning it all.

 

[WillisWG]

Auto bye had nothing to do with it. They were the SEC champs. Went 4-0 versus playoff teams. Still found a way to beat Texas after Beck went down. Not even close to the same situation as FSU. They can probably still bully their way to the finals. But yeah probably not winning it all.

Good take

 

[GVF]

No doubt on the bracket. No disrespect to ND or PSU, but our side is light compared to yours.

A healthy Dillon Bell goes a long way at WR because he often plays out of the backfield.

I don’t love Stockton’s throwing motion. It’s fine and compact enough on short and intermediate throws, but he takes an extra beat to load up on long throws. The deep pass game will be an adventure. And he lacks Beck’s awareness. Texas’s pass defense is as good as anybody’s, but he got fooled a couple times in bad moments and kinda froze up.

I’ll care too much and get way too invested. I’ll throw things and complain loudly. But it’d be healthier to view this as house money bets from here out. It’s an adventure. Let’s see how far it goes.

I think Stockton is underrated. He only lacks reasonable game time experience. He is highly talented. His big knock would be he's not the typical 6'3" or taller QB we see now. He will struggle in drop backs against a large DL to see the routes. From a team unity perspective UGA will be better with him. Beck is a me person. I may be in my own camp that his Lambo attitude has been the UGA disconnect all season where many have thought it just wasn't the same UGA. No one would just say it though. And Kirby was his enabler. Who has their Lambo delivered to an away game in order to drive it to the stadium. Beck has not been engaged as a team leader IMO. Saban would have never allowed that. I look for Stockton to break out during the CFP and stake his claim on the next two years. If he eventually loses out to another starter, then GA will definitely have a QB in whomever takes it from him. Flip side is that GA still hasn't had that receiver step forward in full this year, or a consistent OL. So, even if Stockton games it up, who does he have to help consistently the next few games.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Auto bye had nothing to do with it. They were the SEC champs. Went 4-0 versus playoff teams. Still found a way to beat Texas after Beck went down. Not even close to the same situation as FSU. They can probably still bully their way to the finals. But yeah probably not winning it all.

FSU was undefeated and ACC champions last year. The CFP explicitly stated that their missing their starting QB was the reason they were passed over for two teams with a loss each (Bama & Texas).

How is that different to UGA other than UGA having more losses?

 

[Firebirdparts]

So the automatic bye kept Georgia in the 12-team playoff. I do wonder if we were operating on the same format as last year would UGA have gotten the same treatment as FSU? We will never know - but could have been a big controversy.

I don't see UGA winning now.

I have been pretty vocal about how 4 teams was historically always more than enough, but I admit this year has been scrambled eggs. Even so, if we have 4 teams to get the best teams in the nation in, I think I still only need two teams to get it right. Oregon and Georgia deserve a shot. Nobody else deserves a shot. fortunately for me, Georgia beat Texas twice.

I'm not saying that it'll come down to Oregon and Georgia. Sometimes the better team loses. What I am saying is that if somebody said "Hey, you know, I really think Penn State is the best team in the whole country" I would laugh.

 

[volfanbill]

Auto bye had nothing to do with it. They were the SEC champs. Went 4-0 versus playoff teams. Still found a way to beat Texas after Beck went down. Not even close to the same situation as FSU. They can probably still bully their way to the finals. But yeah probably not winning it all.

It’s the exact situation under different rules

 

[volfan102455]

FSU was undefeated and ACC champions last year. The CFP explicitly stated that their missing their starting QB was the reason they were passed over for two teams with a loss each (Bama & Texas).

How is that different to UGA other than UGA having more losses?

It is not any different. SEC blinders make it seem different.

 

[LouderVol]

FSU was undefeated and ACC champions last year. The CFP explicitly stated that their missing their starting QB was the reason they were passed over for two teams with a loss each (Bama & Texas).

How is that different to UGA other than UGA having more losses?

FSU took a HUGE step back when their QB went down. if you watched them play any of the games afterwards they looked lost. definitely weren't one of the best teams in the nation.

Georgia was still able to look good against better competition.

also the 12 team playoff has a completely different set up than the 4 team playoff. even beyond 8 more teams. under the 12 team playoff last years FSU would be in even without their QB.
under the 4 team playoff being a conference champ WASN'T a guarantee to get in.
under the 4 team playoff there was no guarantee to get in unless your name was Bama.
the 12 team playoff comes with much more structure to guarantee teams spots. Georgia qualifies for one of those guarantees. FSU didn't qualify for a guarantee because there were no guarantees.

 

[volfan102455]

I have been pretty vocal about how 4 teams was historically always more than enough, but I admit this year has been scrambled eggs. Even so, if we have 4 teams to get the best teams in the nation in, I think I still only need two teams to get it right. Oregon and Georgia deserve a shot. Nobody else deserves a shot. fortunately for me, Georgia beat Texas twice.

I'm not saying that it'll come down to Oregon and Georgia. Sometimes the better team loses. What I am saying is that if somebody said "Hey, you know, I really think Penn State is the best team in the whole country" I would laugh.

The selection of the four was subjective NOT objective at all. And it was biased to specific conferences that everyone feels are the best conferences. That is why an excuse was made to keep FSU out last year, IMO.

And why Georgia? Oregon is undefeated so yes, they are in and should be. But you also have 11-1 Notre Dame, Indiana and Boise State and a host of schools with 2 losses, of which UGA is one. And like FSU last year, they will be without their key offensive player.

And if we look back to Hooker getting hurt - even if we had come back to win against South Carolina, there is no doubt we would have still dropped in the rankings because our QB was hurt. Those that created that poll were looking for any way to push LSU and Bama above Tennessee.

 

[volfan102455]

FSU took a HUGE step back when their QB went down. if you watched them play any of the games afterwards they looked lost. definitely weren't one of the best teams in the nation.

Georgia was still able to look good against better competition.

I don't know what game you were watching but neither Georgia nor Texas looked very good in the SEC championship game.

 

[Visidog]

It is not any different. SEC blinders make it seem different.

I mean the rules are different: P4 conference champions are automatically in. That’s why Clemson is in.

For the record, I think FSU got screwed last year and was vocal about it at the time.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I don't know what game you were watching but neither Georgia nor Texas looked very good in the SEC championship game.

They were better than FSU was when they barely beat a bad Florida team and scraped by a Louisville team that finished 2nd in the ACC, that got drubbed the week before by Kentucky. FSU had their chances to prove they were good, or at least not that bad w/o Travis. They were mediocre at best.

Don’t blame the committee for leaving out FSU, blame the ACC for having a second place team getting their ass kicked by a 4th/5th place in the SEC East.

 

[volfanbill]

Don’t blame the committee for leaving out FSU, blame the ACC for having a second place team getting their ass kicked by a 4th/5th place in the SEC East.

Georgia got their ass kicked by a mid tier SEC school WITH their starting qb

 

[LouderVol]

I don't know what game you were watching but neither Georgia nor Texas looked very good in the SEC championship game.

thats typically what happens when two evenly matched opponents play each other. Neither Oregon or Penn State looked all that good.
Neither SMU nor Clemson looked all that good.

it was pretty telling that there was no drop off in Georgia when Gunner came in.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Georgia got their ass kicked by a mid tier SEC school WITH their starting qb

The Mid Tier SEC team that kicked their ass would be getting in any other league. Very likely would be undefeated in the ACC.

 

[volfanbill]

The Mid Tier SEC team that kicked their ass would be getting in any other league. Very likely would be undefeated in the ACC.

Like fsu last year. fascinating

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Get well soon Carson.

 

[Volizona]

Looks like he needs elbow surgery.

Never happy when I guy gets injured- but maybe he should’ve saved that Lambo money- draft stock already plummeted now this.

Anyone think they can beat presumably Notre Dame without him? I wouldn’t be surprised- but I don’t think they can make a full run without him.

Georgia has enough talent all over the field to do well without an elite QB. Look at Bennett for a few years, he’s less talented than either of GA’s QBs this year. All they need is a game manager as much as I hate to say it.

 

[BigALWiLson]

FSU was undefeated and ACC champions last year. The CFP explicitly stated that their missing their starting QB was the reason they were passed over for two teams with a loss each (Bama & Texas).

How is that different to UGA other than UGA having more losses?

FSU shouldn't have been in the playoffs no matter what. They would have gotten obliterated. Georgia dismantled them even at the 3rd team level. If any team got screwed it was Georgia for losing 1 game in years to another playoff team

 

[volfan102455]

IMO, the playoffs have NEVER been about the BEST teams being selected - but the subjective selection of the "best teams" out of a selective few with the "best records" from the top conferences. The subjective selection has always had a "human" viewpoint around what criteria is used to determine "best". Every year there has always been debate around the last team selected verses those left out. Even in 1998, some would still say Tennessee should not have been in that game.

With the increase to 12, there is more room so generally the "selective few" with the "best records" are going to be in the 12. Thus the "subjective" view is now focused on ranking / seeding of the 12.

As such a team with a "best record" that has an injury to a key player will not have the same impact when there were just 2 or 4 teams selected.

Had UGA lost to Texas incurring that 3rd loss with the injury to Beck it would have been a much different conversation, at least with the ranking of the teams and maybe even with the ultimately placement of UGA in the top 12.