CBJ: "Most Excited I've Ever Been In Off Season"

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Ronny Swanson said:
So not being content with over a decade of sucktitude is manic depressive? Noted.

And to add to what I've said.... Not only do we hire crappy coaches, but we then replace them with one of the few coaches that they actually beat. Wonderful strategy.
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You admit that we have had "over a decade of sucktitude" as you call it. Then when the staff can not overcome "a decade of sucktitude" in one spring training camp and one season you call for their heads. Butch Jones has 4 championships in 6 years as a head coach. He has a proven track record. This is not Dooley. Is he going to be great? Nobody knows. He does deserve some time to prove himself. Its not like Nick Saban and Jon Gruden are beating at the doors begging for a coaching position at UT.

Another quote from you, "At some point, accountability needs to be on the priority list for all involved." This one I think I actually agree with. I think what you are talking about is that wins and losses are the only thing that matters. The problem is you seem to be at that point after the first year. It takes time to turn around "over a decade of sucktitude." His entire first year was spent trying to undo the Dooley Culture of just signing your weight lifting card without actually lifting weights. Now he is bringing in a top notch recruiting classes. In a couple of years we can start to evaluate how he coaches up the players.

Seeing that you are a coach hiring genius, which coach should we have hired? I want realistic names people who actually wanted to come to UT.
 
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Ronny Swanson said:
The talent there can overcome some of the idiocy. However, don't expect those rosters to be full of guys that are progressing. The coordinators at UT, and the lot of the staff, don't do well of coaching up players. Not sure how that was not painfully obvious to all parties involved.
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So here's the question Slick, and one you've avoided so far...

Exactly what wide you do differently if you were in charge? What offense and defense would you be doing?

I'll hang up and listen...
 
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This class coming in (if they can hold it together and pay Thig whatever he wants) will represent 38% (33 recruits, 14 EE's) of the scholarship players. Along with the 2013 class (21 players) that represents 63% of the scholarship players that only know CBJ's system and his expectations for success and winning. This is huge and will go a long way to helping make next season more successful than this past season. Also, regardless of how the final rankings (top 5 or top 10) end up this class has both quantity and quality.
 
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Ronny Swanson said:
Yea that's what we need. Silence anyone that questions the staff. Good call.
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No, what we need is a little stability in the coaching department. Getting a new OC doesn't make our guys immediately run a 4.3 or throw a better pass.... It forces our team to focus on learning a new scheme, again, and get used to a new coach and his mentality/lingo, again, instead of trying to build on the stuff that's already been learned.

Can u plz chill the f out on the coaches? If they only get one year and somebody else's players, how do they have a chance to prove anything?

If they recruit like this again next year, our team wil look way better in 2 yrs then it has in 10...
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Ronny Swanson (AKA: Mr. Judge, Jury, and Executor);

What success? I'm not happy with several things this recent season. But I'm not abandoning a staff that came in late and achieved what they did with the limited time they had. What Success, you say?

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Good summary but don't forget, they also raised the APR to where we avoided sanctions, which was huge. Also, they've correspondingly raised the GPA. I think someone said it was the second highest in XX years.
 
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Slydell said:
I'm not excited. Show me.
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I'm with you, Sly. I'm tired of "hearing" things are going to change. Show it on the field otherwise it's just meaningless words. Butch needs to have a winning season next year. If he doesn't, I'd say chances of him being the right guy are pretty much nil.
 
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Jake Tate said:
No, what we need is a little stability in the coaching department. Getting a new OC doesn't make our guys immediately run a 4.3 or throw a better pass.... It forces our team to focus on learning a new scheme, again, and get used to a new coach and his mentality/lingo, again, instead of trying to build on the stuff that's already been learned.

Can u plz chill the f out on the coaches? If they only get one year and somebody else's players, how do they have a chance to prove anything?

If they recruit like this again next year, our team wil look way better in 2 yrs then it has in 10...
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Devil's advocate: Recruiting is great, but they're called coaches for a reason. Yes, we need the talent. Butch also needs to show he can coach up that talent. If they don't go hand-in-hand, then we have a problem.
 
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Weezer said:
Devil's advocate: Recruiting is great, but they're called coaches for a reason. Yes, we need the talent. Butch also needs to show he can coach up that talent. If they don't go hand-in-hand, then we have a problem.
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no matter how many times your point has been posted, it still does not change the fact that even the great coaches cant coach speed. they may be able to help make it a little quicker but thats it. not bashing just puttung in my :twocents:
 
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Ronny Swanson said:
Tailoring a game plan that didn't expose every single one of our weaknesses would be a great start.
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lol, after the first play of every game our weakness was exposed wtf are u talking about..ur just *****ing to *****.
 
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nagle said:
lol, after the first play of every game our weakness was exposed wtf are u talking about..ur just *****ing to *****.
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Like... Lol right?

Jury is still out on Butch. But if you for one minute believe that our gameplan had even an iota of thought, then you're nuts.
 
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nagle said:
no matter how many times your point has been posted, it still does not change the fact that even the great coaches cant coach speed. they may be able to help make it a little quicker but thats it. not bashing just puttung in my :twocents:
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This is easily the biggest BS excuse used this year. Was speed "great"? No. Was it bad enough to explain what we saw? NO.

"Speed" is often a function of being coached up to know how to read a play and get to the right spot. It is often nothing more than being lined up one step different pre-snap because you've read some keys. Coaching players up to do this was something Wilcox absolutely excelled at. We saw little if any of it from Jancek. Jancek was far more like Sunseri than Wilcox in that regard.

And yes, you ARE bashing the players.

Here's something you need to think about. AJ was at least as "fast" as he was as a Fr. Brewer and Sapp are the fastest pair of OLB's UT has had since at least 09 and probably before that. Neither Coleman nor Sutton are slow. McNeil is actually fast for a S. Randolph has sufficient speed. The DL other than the DT's had sufficient speed. The two positions that the D had real speed issues were nickel and DT... and WHO made Jancek play the guys he played? Who kept him from making it a mission to coach up a more talented player to play nickel? Who twisted his arm to keep him from sliding Miller or Walls inside to DT... where they have played well in the past?

Plus, if you lack speed then you grab your fast guys by the collar and coach them up... get them ready to play. Monte got credible efforts out of Greg King and Mitchell-Thorton due to injuries. As you know, neither of these guys had much of an impact after that. Neither were even close to JRM's talent. JRM certainly does not lack speed... so why couldn't they get him ready to play? For that matter, why on earth did they CONSTANTLY leave AJ in on passing downs when Sapp and Brewer are MUCH faster?
 
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Ronny Swanson said:
Like... Lol right?

Jury is still out on Butch. But if you for one minute believe that our gameplan had even an iota of thought, then you're nuts.
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No... no... you just don't "get it". Everything was just a lack of speed. The coaching was perfect. The players could not have been coached up any better. The game/film prep was outstanding... the players were just too slow.

Amazingly... though many of the same players were fast enough two years ago under Wilcox.
 
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sjt18 said:
No... no... you just don't "get it". Everything was just a lack of speed. The coaching was perfect. The players could not have been coached up any better. The game/film prep was outstanding... the players were just too slow.

Amazingly... though many of the same players were fast enough two years ago under Wilcox.
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But part of the problem is that was two years ago and those players have been through two HCs and DCs since then and had been under Wilcox for two years. And I remember plenty of people complaining about Wilcox while he was here. It's not like he's some world beater at DC. But I guess those players were fast enough to lose to Kentucky without a quarterback.

Edit: my point being we are slow right now. Going through so many coaching systems in such a short time will likely have players out of position and thinking to much or playing slower than their actual speed.
 
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volfan_89 said:
But part of the problem is that was two years ago and those players have been through two HCs and DCs since then and had been under Wilcox for two years. And I remember plenty of people complaining about Wilcox while he was here. It's not like he's some world beater at DC.
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He performed MUCH better in every measurable way with LESS TO WORK WITH than either Sunseri or Jancek. You can continue to ignore the facts or you can start looking at the rosters and players he had vs those of the other two.

But I guess those players were fast enough to lose to Kentucky without a quarterback.
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His D allowed 10 pts while the O did absolutely nothing but put them in bad situations. Bray all but threw the game based on his own comments. Only an abject FOOL would point to that game as a "proof" that Wilcox's D lost to UK.

That D, with several of the same players who were "too slow" this year allowed 22 ppg. This year's D allowed 29. That D gave up over 350 yds 5 times, over 400 twice, and never over 500. This one gave up over 350 an amazingly bad 10 times. They gave up over 400 five times, over 500 twice, and over 600 once.

Just a simple comparison of the rosters by a reasonable person will reveal that that team was neither faster overall nor more talented.

Edit: my point being we are slow right now. Going through so many coaching systems in such a short time will likely have players out of position and thinking to much or playing slower than their actual speed.
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I appreciate that last part. They are not "slow" but did play slow. I completely disagree that the DC should not have been able to coach them to be in position better than he did. Monte and Wilcox both did it in their first seasons very well.
 
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Let's not forget we had arguably the tpughest schedule in the country this year. Missouri and Auburn were supposed to be swing games for us instead they both ended up in the SEC Championship with one loss each. Sure Florida was down but we played them early in the season. Comparing this defense to Wilcox's defense in it's second year in the system is not fair either.
 
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sjt18 said:
That D, with several of the same players who were "too slow" this year allowed 22 ppg. This year's D allowed 29. That D gave up over 350 yds 5 times, over 400 twice, and never over 500. This one gave up over 350 an amazingly bad 10 times. They gave up over 400 five times, over 500 twice, and over 600 once.
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Would you agree that the competition this year was tougher? Granted this is the SEC and will always be tough but this years was one of the toughest years in recent memory imo anyways.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Would you agree that the competition this year was tougher? Granted this is the SEC and will always be tough but this years was one of the toughest years in recent memory imo anyways.
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Sure. Marginally. UT played both LSU and Bama that year plus Arkansas. They were the top 3 teams in the West... with Bama and LSU playing for the NC.

There was no Oregon on that schedule but UF and UGA were both better teams.

This year was pretty close to '10 in schedule difficulty. This one slightly more difficult. Last year's schedule which Dooley blew to pieces was the easist of the last 4.


Would you agree that the ability of Jancek to coach a championship level D in the SEC is VERY much in question?
 
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KeepinUpWithJones said:
Let's not forget we had arguably the tpughest schedule in the country this year. Missouri and Auburn were supposed to be swing games for us instead they both ended up in the SEC Championship with one loss each. Sure Florida was down but we played them early in the season. Comparing this defense to Wilcox's defense in it's second year in the system is not fair either.
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Not fair because? Maybe because it doesn't allow for as many excuses.

It is completely fair on merit. UF was horrible this year. They lost their QB in that game plus most of their secondary...
 
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