CFP Brackets? - "Not so fast"

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The committee members are all current or former AD’s and one journalist. They clearly don’t have set criteria so that simply makes them an alternative to the AP/coaches poll. I’m sure they’re aware of rematches but I would be shocked if tv ratings ever come up. Personally I think the criteria needs to be clearer but with some leeway like in basketball where net rankings are used as a guideline. Net rankings at least lets everyone know what’s important. The CFP uses different justifications every week and this creates mistrust.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
You should be punished for losing a conference championship. If you can't win your conference why get a shot at a National championship
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Same could be said for if you can't make your conference championship, why should you get a shot at a National Championship
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Quite honestly I don't see how you can really have a legit National Championship without some type of balanced scheduling and Sankey is nuts wanting to add a 9th conference game. At this point removing a conference game or two seems to be the move
 
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Houstonvol1 said:
The committee members are all current or former AD’s and one journalist. They clearly don’t have set criteria so that simply makes them an alternative to the AP/coaches poll. I’m sure they’re aware of rematches but I would be shocked if tv ratings ever come up. Personally I think the criteria needs to be clearer but with some leeway like in basketball where net rankings are used as a guideline. Net rankings at least lets everyone know what’s important. The CFP uses different justifications every week and this creates mistrust.
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of course TV ratings would never come up! Good lord this is so obvious. ESPN would care...ESPN isn't on the committee. Ignorant people always say same thing about the NCAA basketball tournament and are equally wrong there also.
 
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GulfCoasterVol said:
He (Manuel) stated last night that those teams NOT playing in a conference championship game would NOT change due to those teams having no more data points to change their standings and the bracket had Oh Ho Ho State hosting. I took that to mean no change for us and Ohio State land grant university would host.... but who knows.... i sure don't.
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I took that statement to mean the bubble teams because that's when it was mentioned.
 
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Cartervol said:
Penn State dropping below us is about the only path i see. UGA wins Texas will just swap with them although they wouldn't have a top 25 win. Brand Bias at play again.
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Yeah Notre Dame and Texas have about the same resume and in fact Notre Dame has worst loss by far in the field of conversation for the playoff and they are locked into hosting so yeah If Texas loses again they will host as well.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Same could be said for if you can't make your conference championship, why should you get a shot at a National Championship
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Quite honestly I don't see how you can really have a legit National Championship without some type of balanced scheduling and Sankey is nuts wanting to add a 9th conference game. At this point removing a conference game or two seems to be the move
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disagree about the conference games. I think part of the problem is with 16 teams and 8 conference games you don't get enough cross pollination to really get a hierarchy because teams play such different schedules. If you add another conference game I think it would help normalize the schedule and give you a better hierarchy of teams again.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
People talking about ratings are just ignorant....why the F would Jim Grobe care about TV ratings? Why would any committee member care about TV ratings?
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I agree with you on this. I think the problem is there isn't any transparency in what the committee does. Then, they apply their criteria used for where they rank teams in a very inconsistent manner. It gives the impression that they select the teams they want, then use whatever criteria they need to justify it, which also feeds into a lot of speculation by people regarding what their true intentions are.
 
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temptn said:
Ratings = $$$, so ratings are the only thing they care about.
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Networks are controlling the playoffs....The committee is just window dressing. As of today Bama goes to Notre Dame and Tennessee goes to Ohio State....Who wins in those 2 games....and I'm not talking about the teams.
 
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deatojl said:
I agree with you on this. I think the problem is there isn't any transparency in what the committee does. Then, they apply their criteria used for where they rank teams in a very inconsistent manner. It gives the impression that they select the teams they want, then use whatever criteria they need to justify it, which also feeds into a lot of speculation by people regarding what their true intentions are.
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How are they inconsistent? What do you mean there is no transparency? You want a camera in the conference room or something? They have laid out many times what the criteria are and, in fact it's all on their website.
 
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Tnphil said:
Networks are controlling the playoffs....The committee is just window dressing. As of today Bama goes to Notre Dame and Tennessee goes to Ohio State....Who wins in those 2 games....and I'm not talking about the teams.
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so when the committee gives their rankings, it's all a fraud. ESPN just tells them what to pick and they go with it?
 
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GulfCoasterVol said:
He (Manuel) stated last night that those teams NOT playing in a conference championship game would NOT change due to those teams having no more data points to change their standings and the bracket had Oh Ho Ho State hosting. I took that to mean no change for us and Ohio State land grant university would host.... but who knows.... i sure don't.
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That's what he said and I see it that way....The team that losses in the SECCG will finish 2nd in the conference and won't be be jumped by us. We can blame the Arkansas cluster for where we are.
 
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CincinnatiVols said:
disagree about the conference games. I think part of the problem is with 16 teams and 8 conference games you don't get enough cross pollination to really get a hierarchy because teams play such different schedules. If you add another conference game I think it would help normalize the schedule and give you a better hierarchy of teams again.
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I think the larger roadblock to having more balanced schedules within the conference is preserving the rivalry games. No matter which side of that debate you fall on, when the schedules start with having to include UT vs Bama, Texas vs A&M, Georgia vs Florida, Ole Miss vs MSU, Bama vs AU, Georgia vs AU, Missouri vs Arkansas, LSU vs Florida, etc., then your starting point has already created imbalanced schedules.
 
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CincinnatiVols said:
disagree about the conference games. I think part of the problem is with 16 teams and 8 conference games you don't get enough cross pollination to really get a hierarchy because teams play such different schedules. If you add another conference game I think it would help normalize the schedule and give you a better hierarchy of teams again.
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I'm not talking about Conference Championship. I'm saying playing less conference games and picking up cupcake teams to better your odds in the CFP rather than playing another SEC team
Same as other conferences. There's no real balance scheduling and with so many teams I'm not sure it's really possible
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
why would the committee care about those negotiations?
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Dude, please stop. Think about what you're saying. Do you even know who's on the committee? I'll tell you: Michigan's AD, Baylor's VP + Director of IC Athletics, Miami's AD, Virginia's AD, and Arkansas' AD. EVERY single one of these people care about TV ratings. Do you have any idea about TV contracts? Ratings = $$ the higher the ratings the more $$$. These guys need higher ratings to give them leverage the next time they're across the table negotiating a deal. And, it goes a step beyond. Think about the on field and in stadium signage and branding (like Pilot at Neyland), the more eyes on the logos the more valuable they are when the institution sells them to a sponsor. The reason all the on field logos face the home side is TV. I spent my career on the business side of professional sports and 100% know that TV drives sports.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
so when the committee gives their rankings, it's all a fraud. ESPN just tells them what to pick and they go with it?
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It's about money....and ratings. If it wasn't Bama wouldn't be in the playoffs and Ohio State wouldn't be hosting. The name and the brand and the darlings will get you in most years unless your record sucks.

Did you watch the so called committee head last night.....He was stumbling all over himself. He didn't have a clue and can't commit to anything unless they tell him.
 
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Tnphil said:
That's what he said and I see it that way....The team that losses in the SECCG will finish 2nd in the conference and won't be be jumped by us. We can blame the Arkansas cluster for where we are.
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He did not say there will be no change among teams not playing. He said teams who are not playing will not switch places with each other but everyone's ranking can potentially change based on results of the championship games. As an example, Georgia could drop below us potentially with a loss but we can not jump Ohio St or drop below Indiana.
 
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