CFP Brackets? - "Not so fast"

[GulfCoasterVol]

They're just plain old Scared to come to Neyland !!!! Bottom Line ! They Chicken !!!

Which calls for harsh mocking... Bock Bock !!!!

 

[Tnphil]

He did not say there will be no change among teams not playing. He said teams who are not playing will not switch places with each other but everyone's ranking can potentially change based on results of the championship games. As an example, Georgia could drop below us potentially with a loss but we can not jump Ohio St or drop below Indiana.

You didn't hear what I heard then....He said the teams not playing have no more data points therefore they are not moving...The only teams that can change are teams that are playing this weekend. We will not jump over the team that losses the SECCG.

You can bet today our coaches are preparing to play OSU at OSU.

 

[luthervol]

After sleeping on last night's CFP rankings, I woke up feeling a little better about our chances of hosting a playoff game. #9 Tennessee at #8 THE Ohio State? In the words of coach Corso ... "Not so fast". I really think the committee was positioning for Sunday's final bracket. I think they are counting on one or two teams to drop significantly after the Championship games. I can't see that they would want the possibility of an Oregon / OSU rematch in round two at an all Big10 Rose Bowl. I think OSU and us may move up one or two spots on Sunday. No matter what anyone says, TV and money drive everything in sports including the CFP rankings; and looking at last night's brackets I don't see those things being maxed out. Maybe I'm just being too hopeful, but we'll see on Sunday. Let's hope for the right results in the championship games, be happen we're in either way, and then go win.

Great point and I agree; they do not want an Oregon/Ohio State rematch in round 2.

 

[SockeyeVol]

People talking about ratings are just ignorant....why the F would Jim Grobe care about TV ratings? Why would any committee member care about TV ratings?

Why are you calling people ignorant? Unnecessary.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Given what happened to FSU last season after the injury to their starting QB, I wonder what the fallout would be if a QB was knocked out of a championship game with a possible serious injury. There wouldn't be time between the end of the games Saturday and the release of final rankings on Sunday for a real assessment of the injury to be made. Would the committee make some judgement on its own if that QB wouldn't be back in time for the next playoff game and adjust their ranking?

 

[Houstonvol1]

disagree about the conference games. I think part of the problem is with 16 teams and 8 conference games you don't get enough cross pollination to really get a hierarchy because teams play such different schedules. If you add another conference game I think it would help normalize the schedule and give you a better hierarchy of teams again.

The problem with adding another conf game for SEC teams is that pure record even with a weak schedule was valued more than SOR by this committee. SEC teams will have more losses on average and not get rewarded for a harder schedule. Look at PSU's record. Their best win is Illinois.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

After sleeping on last night's CFP rankings, I woke up feeling a little better about our chances of hosting a playoff game. #9 Tennessee at #8 THE Ohio State? In the words of coach Corso ... "Not so fast". I really think the committee was positioning for Sunday's final bracket. I think they are counting on one or two teams to drop significantly after the Championship games. I can't see that they would want the possibility of an Oregon / OSU rematch in round two at an all Big10 Rose Bowl. I think OSU and us may move up one or two spots on Sunday. No matter what anyone says, TV and money drive everything in sports including the CFP rankings; and looking at last night's brackets I don't see those things being maxed out. Maybe I'm just being too hopeful, but we'll see on Sunday. Let's hope for the right results in the championship games, be happen we're in either way, and then go win.

Texas beating down Georgia would help.

 

[Tenacjim]

You didn't hear what I heard then....He said the teams not playing have no more data points therefore they are not moving...The only teams that can change are teams that are playing this weekend. We will not jump over the team that losses the SECCG.

You can bet today our coaches are preparing to play OSU at OSU.

What I heard as well is there will be no movement with team not playing relative to one another. Meaning we have no hope of jumping OSU and IU has no hope of jumping us. There is the possibility of shuffling of the CCG participants within those already set rankings. Now, I don’t think GA or TX drops below us and gives us a home game but PSU could impact who and where we play if they get blown out. I can absolutely see them falling below OSU due to the head to head loss and and a “worse” loss to Oregon along with their inferior SOS and lack of quality wins (best win would be Illinois). You could make a pretty strong argument their resume is weaker than UT’s at that point but I don’t think the committee will move them below us. I think there is a pretty good chance we go to PSU instead of OSU. Article in KNS speaks to this:

How Tennessee football could still host playoff game at Neyland Stadium, albeit long odds

Tennessee's last hope of hosting a College Football Playoff game depends on the SEC or Big Ten title games, plus help from the selection committee.

www.knoxnews.com

Apparently, reporters continued to push the issue with the committee chair after he spoke on ESPN during the ranking show:


The Vols probably would need Georgia or Penn State to lose by a wide margin in their conference championship games to keep the possibility open.

No. 2 Texas (11-1) plays No. 5 Georgia (10-2) in the SEC championship game on Saturday (4 p.m. ET, ABC). No. 1 Oregon (12-0) plays No. 3 Penn State (11-1) in the Big Ten championship game on Saturday (8 p.m., CBS).

But even if those blowout losses occurred, the CFP selection committee might not drop the losing teams behind Tennessee in the rankings. However, committee chairman Warde Manuel left the door slightly open to that possibility.


“It depends on the outcome of the game as we watch the game and the results of the game and the outcome as to whether or not teams will move above (or) below other teams that are ranked in the Top 25,” Manuel said on a CFP teleconference with reporters after the rankings were released Tuesday night.

“I can't tell you the answer because we have not as a committee seen the outcome of the (championship) games.”

 

[volfanstuckinga]

I think they are trying to get Ohio State into the 5th seed position since they beat PSU. The question is if PSU loses to Oregon do they drop below Tennessee making them come to Knoxville? I know for a fact they will drop PSU below Ohio State if they lose since they lost at home to Ohio State. The question is do they screw us over again and drop them in front of us making us go on the road.

This isn't going to happen. Notre Dame is locked in at 5. That is not changing unless Oregon loses in the Big 10 final. THEN ND will drop to 6

 

[volfanstuckinga]

He (Manuel) stated last night that those teams NOT playing in a conference championship game would NOT change due to those teams having no more data points to change their standings and the bracket had Oh Ho Ho State hosting. I took that to mean no change for us and Ohio State land grant university would host.... but who knows.... i sure don't.

He was referring to teams not playing this weekend getting shuffled amongst themselves. In other words, we aren't JUMPING Ohio St. HOWEVER a team playing this weekend COULD fall beneath someone. Example, if PSU loses BAD this weekend.....OSU could wind up ahead of them in the final bracket.

 

[volfanstuckinga]

We only got shafted (to ourselves) by losing to Arkansas. Can't blame anyone but us.

I agree with this. I get so tired of all the politics and whining. WE LOST TO ARKANSAS and looked like GARBAGE for multiple first halfs. We should be 11-1 and playing this weekend. This is on US......nobody else. Be thankful we are in and have a chance.....and never forget why these games against mid teams matter.

 

[volfanstuckinga]

I really hate to see a 3 loss Bama getting in knowing a 3 loss TN team would never get in .

Or a 3 loss Ole Miss or a 3 loss South Carolina

 

[volfanstuckinga]

Networks are controlling the playoffs....The committee is just window dressing. As of today Bama goes to Notre Dame and Tennessee goes to Ohio State....Who wins in those 2 games....and I'm not talking about the teams.

If you look carefully, I don't see anyway that Bama is the 12. The winner of the Big 12 will be the 12 seed.....bet on that. Bama will be 11

 

[volfanstuckinga]

He did not say there will be no change among teams not playing. He said teams who are not playing will not switch places with each other but everyone's ranking can potentially change based on results of the championship games. As an example, Georgia could drop below us potentially with a loss but we can not jump Ohio St or drop below Indiana.

FINALLY somebody gets it. Kudos sir!

 

[Shaun1985]

I think the committee would be pretty hyped to see Ohio State and Oregon @ the Rose Bowl.

 

[Volbrando]

He (Manuel) stated last night that those teams NOT playing in a conference championship game would NOT change due to those teams having no more data points to change their standings and the bracket had Oh Ho Ho State hosting. I took that to mean no change for us and Ohio State land grant university would host.... but who knows.... i sure don't.

it wouldn't mean we jump Ohio State, but could mean Penn State (or Georgia?) could fall below us I would think?

 

[SockeyeVol]

What I heard as well is there will be no movement with team not playing relative to one another. Meaning we have no hope of jumping OSU and IU has no hope of jumping us. There is the possibility of shuffling of the CCG participants within those already set rankings. Now, I don’t think GA or TX drops below us and gives us a home game but PSU could impact who and where we play if they get blown out. I can absolutely see them falling below OSU due to the head to head loss and and a “worse” loss to Oregon along with their inferior SOS and lack of quality wins (best win would be Illinois). You could make a pretty strong argument their resume is weaker than UT’s at that point but I don’t think the committee will move them below us. I think there is a pretty good chance we go to PSU instead of OSU. Article in KNS speaks to this:

How Tennessee football could still host playoff game at Neyland Stadium, albeit long odds

Tennessee's last hope of hosting a College Football Playoff game depends on the SEC or Big Ten title games, plus help from the selection committee.

www.knoxnews.com

Apparently, reporters continued to push the issue with the committee chair after he spoke on ESPN during the ranking show:


The Vols probably would need Georgia or Penn State to lose by a wide margin in their conference championship games to keep the possibility open.

No. 2 Texas (11-1) plays No. 5 Georgia (10-2) in the SEC championship game on Saturday (4 p.m. ET, ABC). No. 1 Oregon (12-0) plays No. 3 Penn State (11-1) in the Big Ten championship game on Saturday (8 p.m., CBS).

But even if those blowout losses occurred, the CFP selection committee might not drop the losing teams behind Tennessee in the rankings. However, committee chairman Warde Manuel left the door slightly open to that possibility.


“It depends on the outcome of the game as we watch the game and the results of the game and the outcome as to whether or not teams will move above (or) below other teams that are ranked in the Top 25,” Manuel said on a CFP teleconference with reporters after the rankings were released Tuesday night.

“I can't tell you the answer because we have not as a committee seen the outcome of the (championship) games.”

Thank you for posting this - it's real information!

Sounds like there can be some fluidity to the situation....which is reasonable, given that the CGs will provide new information, and elsewhere Manuel said their instructions were to NOT cut things off before the CGs.

 

[landscapingvol]

We only got shafted (to ourselves) by losing to Arkansas. Can't blame anyone but us.

Agreed but nearly every time has a questionable loss with the exceptions of Oregon, Texas, Penn State, and Georgia. Notre Dame lost to a very bad N. Illinois team, Texas and Penn State lost to the only real team that they played so it isn't as simple as saying Tennessee lost to Arkansas as the driving factor. Michigan is the equivalent of Vanderbilt but possibly worse than them and OSU lost to them at home.

 

[jarnol32]

People talking about ratings are just ignorant....why the F would Jim Grobe care about TV ratings? Why would any committee member care about TV ratings?

Who do you think ultimately pays them… Can’t see the forest for all the trees.

 

[Unconditional Surrender]

Maybe it’s BVS on my part, but I have a feeling we are “the floor” when it comes to other team’s dropping. Meaning teams that lose in the Championship games can and will drop, but just not below us. So it will come down to ”who gets to host us” depending upon how the games go. I think if PSU loses at all, they drop below OSU based on a head to head loss and a “worse loss to Oregon” (you can’t lose “better” than a one point loss on their home field).

I hope I’m wrong but when it comes to “committees” making these decisions, the only constant is the shafting when it comes to us……

The only thing that makes me think this isn't the case is that the chairman said they had a really hard time separating Ohio State and Tennessee. Ohio State beat Penn State... so we will see about that.

 

[Power_Sweep_Vol]

Who do you think ultimately pays them… Can’t see the forest for all the trees.

Who pays them?

 

[shoney]

I think Oregon or Texas would have to win big for us to have a shot.

They will absolutely not let a 3 loss Georgia host a playoff game. That would mean the championship games mean nothing if you lose. Some coaches have even said they would prefer the home game to the bye, coaches could simply rest their starters, lose and have no punishment. They have to drop.

 

[Chad F]

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if in next week’s final bracket Alabama somehow ends up with a first round bye and we end up the first team out.

 

[sami]

If the current bracket stands, in addition to the absolute BS mentioned above regarding matchups these matter also:

Currently only 3 SEC teams make the playoffs, 4 Big10 teams. Despite the fact that the SEC top to bottom can absolutely DRAG the big10, and has....the SEC has won 13 out of the last 18 Chips. The big10 has maybe 3 in that span? Clemson won 2.

Tennessee has the hardest path to the Championship of ANY team in the tournament. Despite being ranked 6th in both polls, we are the 9 seed. Even that is broken though...the 12 seed in a 12 team playoff should have the hardest path. Not us. Road game AT OSU, then have to beat #1 Oregon JUST to make it to the final 4 teams?!? What??? Absolute BS and Sankey better be LIVID. OH, nevermind. Bama is set up to backdoor their way into the playoffs with 3 losses including the beatdown from unranked OK less than 2 weeks ago...and Bama will have an easier path to the Title than UT. All is well for Sankey then.

The sorry Notre Dame team that has only played 2 teams that were ranked in the top 25 when ND played them all season (both ranked like 20-25th)...AND that has THE worst loss of any playoff team getting beat by Northern Illinois AT HOME has a relatively easy run to the Final 4 at least. Its criminal. If the playoffs arent gonna consider strength of schedule, then why play anybody good during the season? Much better to play in a garbage conference like the big12 or ACC and go undefeated nearly every season (like Clemson used to) than to play in the SEC where your conference schedule has a half dozen ranked teams. Who wants to play SC right now? Or even Flarda?? How many current playoff teams would be underdogs to them on a neutral site?

The four Big 10 teams that made the playoff are the only decent teams in the entire pathetic conference. Indiana and Penn State would be 7-5 teams with an SEC schedule.

Sankey sold his soul and his conference down the river going into business with the Big 10 and ESPN, and we're just beginning to see the results.

 

[sami]

After sleeping on last night's CFP rankings, I woke up feeling a little better about our chances of hosting a playoff game. #9 Tennessee at #8 THE Ohio State? In the words of coach Corso ... "Not so fast". I really think the committee was positioning for Sunday's final bracket. I think they are counting on one or two teams to drop significantly after the Championship games. I can't see that they would want the possibility of an Oregon / OSU rematch in round two at an all Big10 Rose Bowl. I think OSU and us may move up one or two spots on Sunday. No matter what anyone says, TV and money drive everything in sports including the CFP rankings; and looking at last night's brackets I don't see those things being maxed out. Maybe I'm just being too hopeful, but we'll see on Sunday. Let's hope for the right results in the championship games, be happen we're in either way, and then go win.

Disagree that the "committee" didn't get exactly what they wanted setting the bracket up like this. Penn State has a free ride to the final four as does the winner of ND-Bama. They potentially get an OSU-Oregon rematch, which would be ratings gold, and possibly Georgia-Texas III so only one of them gets to the final four. Their dream four would be PSU, OSU, ND, and Texas, and there's a pretty solid chance it will happen.