Chaney and Pitman to UGA

#76
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landscapingvol said:
WOW! That is impressive and we rushed for how many yards?

Just some more stats for you and the other cavemen, last three years for each coordinator:
Chaney
2015 total offense 78th; rushing 51st
2014 total offense 58th; rushing 28th
2013 total offense 103rd; rushing 38th

Debord
2015 total offense 50th; rushing 24th
2007 total offense 59th; rushing 44th
2006 total offense 36th; rushing 18th

Keep posting your idiocy, Debord outperformed them both in 5 out of 6 categories.
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Comparing offensive rankings from other years doesn't prove a point when the other teams stats around you fluctuate. Arkansas avg 219.9 yards rushing in 2014 and 5.1 YPA that was apparently good enough for 28th. We averaged 218.6 this year and 4.8 YPA that's good for 24th. Those numbers aren't statistically different but who's stats are technically better and who's "ranking" is better.

You throw out rushing stats while Chaney was here, like we had a RB corp remotely comparable to what we have now. Two 5* RB and a running QB are expected to put up better rushing stats than Neal/Lane and Bray. It's no secret Chaney is known for his passing game compared to his running game, that doesn't make him a meh OC. We averaged more points and YPG under Chaney than DeBord.

Comparing stats for Pitt vs UT given the talent discrepancy and a 1st year regime to a 3rd year regime is idiocy in itself. Not to mention utilizing stats from 10 years ago. At UGA, Chaney will likely inherit the best talent he's ever worked with.
 
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landscapingvol said:
WOW! That is impressive and we rushed for how many yards?

Just some more stats for you and the other cavemen, last three years for each coordinator:
Chaney
2015 total offense 78th; rushing 51st
2014 total offense 58th; rushing 28th
2013 total offense 103rd; rushing 38th

Debord
2015 total offense 50th; rushing 24th
2007 total offense 59th; rushing 44th
2006 total offense 36th; rushing 18th

Keep posting your idiocy, Debord outperformed them both in 5 out of 6 categories.
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Don't you think the talent an oc has to work with has a little bit to do with those stats. Chaney did not have a Hurd or Kamara in the backfied during his time at TN.
 
#79
#79
I'm sorry I didn't realize comparing someone's best year to another individual's first year was not fair to the OC who had spent four years assembling his offense? Furthermore, the offensive line Chaney had to work with was far and away more talented that what Debord has to work with. You don't have a valid argument other than the anti-CBJ bs that you post every single day. Debord's best olineman this year was probably KK or a freshman as compared to a wealth of talent that Chaney had on the roster. I would much rather have an OC who offenses ranked in the top 50 on average in every category as opposed to a pass happy MAC offense that managed to muster negative rushing yards against UF and a whopping 6 first downs against Bama during another gem
 
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Gramps said:
Don't you think the talent an oc has to work with has a little bit to do with those stats. Chaney did not have a Hurd or Kamara in the backfied during his time at TN.
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Here come the excuses and by the way Chaney had a much better passing qb, more talented oline, 2-4* rb's, a very deep wr corp but yes Debord does have Jalen Hurd.
 Yet he still couldn't manage to outperform offensively a single team with a pulse on defense. UT just complete their 5th best rushing season in history. Dan Enos at Arkansas just made Chaney look like a fool in one year much like Mike Debord.
 
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#84
So because these guys are now headed to Georgia, they are no good. Eh, we didnt want them anyway. But if they came to UT, they would be praised. Typical VN.

Great hires by Georgia. The UGA game just got a little tougher. Cant wait till the next Dawg game!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So because these guys are now headed to Georgia, they are no good. Eh, we didnt want them anyway. But if they came to UT, they would be praised. Typical VN.

Great hires by Georgia. The UGA game just got a little tougher. Cant wait till the next Dawg game!
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Well genius boy I was responding the cavemen who "claim" based on absolutely nothing other than their feelings that Chaney was a better OC than Debord. I was merely pointing out the fact that an OC who as averaged a top 50 offense every year he has been an OC compared to Chaney who has done it a grand total of once. No one said Chaney sucked, just nothing to get too nervous about imo. He is an average OC which is precisely why he was at Pitt.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Here come the excuses and by the way Chaney had a much better passing qb, more talented oline, 2-4* rb's, a very deep wr corp but yes Debord does have Jalen Hurd.
 Yet he still couldn't manage to outperform offensively a single team with a pulse on defense. UT just complete their 5th best rushing season in history. Dan Enos at Arkansas just made Chaney look like a fool in one year much like Mike Debord.
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There is a reason UT just had the 5th best rushing season in history, it is call Dobbs, Hurd and Kamara.

I am not making excuses for anyone, imo Chaney is one of the Premier OC's in the NCAA.

I think Smart was a bad hire, but Chaney is a very good hire for GA.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I'm sorry I didn't realize comparing someone's best year to another individual's first year was not fair to the OC who had spent four years assembling his offense? Furthermore, the offensive line Chaney had to work with was far and away more talented that what Debord has to work with. You don't have a valid argument other than the anti-CBJ bs that you post every single day. Debord's best olineman this year was probably KK or a freshman as compared to a wealth of talent that Chaney had on the roster. I would much rather have an OC who offenses ranked in the top 50 on average in every category as opposed to a pass happy MAC offense that managed to muster negative rushing yards against UF and a whopping 6 first downs against Bama during another gem
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So Chaney's best year was better than DeBord's. What's your argument then?

You think Chaney had the same talent as DeBord? The talent here at that time is grossly underrated on VN and the cupboard was dry BS but Chaney didn't have back to back top 5 class talent. That OL, Pittman's coaching and this RB stable is something I'd want to see.
 
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Really was UT's total offensive rank the year before Debord got here, with both Dobbs and Hurd on the team? UT was ranked about 100th last year in total offense and is now ranked 50th. What was Arkansas' total offense rank last year under Chaney as compared to this year's under a new coordinator? Arkansas was ranked 58th last year in total offense and is now ranked 35th. Their pass yards per game improved by nearly 100 ypg , does that make Dan Enos the best OC in the country since Chaney is "premier"?
 
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landscapingvol said:
Here come the excuses and by the way Chaney had a much better passing qb, more talented oline, 2-4* rb's, a very deep wr corp but yes Debord does have Jalen Hurd.
 Yet he still couldn't manage to outperform offensively a single team with a pulse on defense. UT just complete their 5th best rushing season in history. Dan Enos at Arkansas just made Chaney look like a fool in one year much like Mike Debord.
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He couldn't out perform a team offensively because the defense gave up so much. How do you fail to see that?

The offense put up over 480 yards vs both UGA and USC. Is it his fault the defense gave up 500+?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So Chaney's best year was better than DeBord's. What's your argument then?

You think Chaney had the same talent as DeBord? The talent here at that time is grossly underrated on VN and the cupboard was dry BS but Chaney didn't have back to back top 5 class talent. That OL, Pittman's coaching and this RB stable is something I'd want to see.
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Yes Chaney's best year was better than Debord's FIRST year. Analyze Chaney's other years here and Bajakian's two years prior to his arrival and tell me who is the better coach. Dan Enos says hi, ask Arky fans how well Chaney did there and why he was forced out. Clearly Chaney had no one to work with based on the huge disparity in rankings

Recruit Class Rankings:
2015-5th 3.69
2014-5th 3.65
2013-23rd 3.19
Average-11th 3.51

2009-10th 3.62
2010-9th 3.44
2011-13th 3.41
2012-17th 3.38
Average-12th 3.46
 
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landscapingvol said:
Well genius boy I was responding the cavemen who "claim" based on absolutely nothing other than their feelings that Chaney was a better OC than Debord. I was merely pointing out the fact that an OC who as averaged a top 50 offense every year he has been an OC compared to Chaney who has done it a grand total of once. No one said Chaney sucked, just nothing to get too nervous about imo. He is an average OC which is precisely why he was at Pitt.
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I never singled out any one person. I never said Chaney was better than Debord or that he was great. Just making an opinion based on past observations on VN. I do think that Pittman is a very good OL coach and is much better than Mahoney. How is that genius girl?
 
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landscapingvol said:
Really was UT's total offensive rank the year before Debord got here, with both Dobbs and Hurd on the team? UT was ranked about 100th last year in total offense and is now ranked 50th. What was Arkansas' total offense rank last year under Chaney as compared to this year's under a new coordinator? Arkansas was ranked 58th last year in total offense and is now ranked 35th. Their pass yards per game improved by nearly 100 ypg , does that make Dan Enos the best OC in the country since Chaney is "premier"?
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Dobbs played less than half the year, Hurd was a FR, Robertson was a FR, Thomas was a FR and we had no Kamara. Surely you're not that stupid; caveman.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Yes Chaney's best year was better than Debord's FIRST year. Analyze Chaney's other years here and Bajakian's two years prior to his arrival and tell me who is the better coach. Dan Enos says hi, ask Arky fans how well Chaney did there and why he was forced out. Clearly Chaney had no one to work with based on the huge disparity in rankings

Recruit Class Rankings:
2015-5th 3.69
2014-5th 3.65
2013-23rd 3.19
Average-11th 3.51

2009-10th 3.62
2010-9th 3.44
2011-13th 3.41
2012-17th 3.38
Average-12th 3.46
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His best year? Did you look at his Purdue stats? He didn't become an OC in 2009.

So you're one who cries Jones inherited a mess due to attrition then point to recruiting rankings? Hahaha. Keep em coming.

As said before, practically every significant skill player Chaney had compared to Enos was a FR or SO.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
He couldn't out perform a team offensively because the defense gave up so much. How do you fail to see that?

The offense put up over 480 yards vs both UGA and USC. Is it his fault the defense gave up 500+?
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Glad you cherry picked those two games haha let me share with you a few more gems:

2012
UF v UT- mustered 340 yards with most in the first quarter a whopping 80 yards rushing
2011
UF v UT- an impressive 279 total yards with an awe inspiring -9 yards rushing
2010
UF v UT- a mind blowing 288 yards with 29 yards rushing

2012
UA v UT- 282 total yards and 79 yards rushing
2011
UA v UT- An awe inspiring 155 total yards and 92 yards rushing
2010
UA v UT- 315 total yards but a solid 159 yards rushing

2010
UGA v UT- 269 total yards and an embarrassing 9 yards rushing
2011
UGA v UT-269 total yards and -21 yards rushing, impressive
2012
UGA v UT- 478 total yards and 197 yards rushing

2015
UF v UT- 419 total yards and 254 yards rushing
UGA v UT- 519 total yards and 201 yards rushing
UA v UT- 303 total yards and 132 yards rushing
 
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#98
#98
ajvol01 said:
Chaney never committed to the run.

This is awesome for us since UGA's running game and OL has always been their strength.

Beating UGA just got easier IMO.
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Not sure that's the case after looking at Arkansas.

Possibly Pitt also.
 
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#99
Mike Debord doesn't have Drew Breeze, your logic thrown back at you and how has he done without Drew Breeze? Look what Dan Enos did with Brandon Allen in one year, compare that to what Debord did in one year at UT by improving the offense by nearly 100%. Now, compare that to what Pitt's offensive numbers were before Chaney got there to what they are now 381 ypg total offense and 186 yards rushing in 2015; 435 ypg total offense and 249 yards rushing in 2014. Nearly the entire offense returned from the year before at Pitt.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Glad you cherry picked those two games haha let me share with you a few more gems:

2012
UF v UT- mustered 340 yards with most in the first quarter a whopping 80 yards rushing
2011
UF v UT- an impressive 279 total yards with an awe inspiring -9 yards rushing
2010
UF v UT- a mind blowing 288 yards with 29 yards rushing

2012
UA v UT- 282 total yards and 79 yards rushing
2011
UA v UT- An awe inspiring 155 total yards and 92 yards rushing
2010
UA v UT- 315 total yards but a solid 159 yards rushing

2010
UGA v UT- 269 total yards and an embarrassing 9 yards rushing
2011
UGA v UT-269 total yards and -21 yards rushing, impressive
2012
UGA v UT- 478 total yards and 197 yards rushing

2015
UF v UT- 419 total yards and 254 yards rushing
UGA v UT- 519 total yards and 201 yards rushing
UA v UT- 303 total yards and 132 yards rushing
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We were discussing 2012 only so I cherry picked those 2 games because you said we couldn't move the ball vs anyone with a defensive pulse. Those were the only games vs a team with defensive pulse we put up stellar numbers.

DeBord managed less than 365 yards, 4x this year. Why cherry pick?
 
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