Chase Oliver (Libertarian Candidate) Platform

[midnight orange]

Honestly, there is no good answer. These are age old philosophical questions. How do you keep an immoral atheistic society from self destructing? Should a society be kept from self destruction? Should every form of vice be available and unregulated at the finger tips of society?

Maybe there is no answer at this point and the current is too great to overcome. We are going over the waterfall regardless. Libertarianism, however, provides no pushback against the current to even try to buy more time.

We have already gone over the waterfall. We are presently in an empire collapse. Progressivism won the last century bigly with participation by all parties.

 

[volgr]

A deterrent? Seriously?

I don't believe govt should be the ones deciding who needs increased oversight. Why should certain people have that power over other people? Especially when most are corrupt

What's an indirect victim? You think prostitution should be criminalized because Timmy's parents got divorced? Maybe that creator should have made a stronger deterrent

I dont think you have fully thought this through. Tell me how an immoral atheistic society, with access to every vice at their fingertips, survives.

 

[utvolpj]

Does woke BS touch on any of those non negotiables?

It touches (no pun) on kids, discrimination, govt overreach, spending

 

[volgr]

We have already gone over the waterfall. We are presently in an empire collapse. Progressivism won the last century bigly with participation by all parties.

I would agree. Best thing to do at this point is move to rural red America, know your neighbors and engage with The System as least as humanly possible.

 

[utvolpj]

I dont think you have fully thought this through. Tell me how an immoral atheistic society, with access to every vice at their fingertips, survives.

Why are libertarians atheistic and immortal? Why are only atheists immoral in your world? We aren't going to survive only because some book says don't do it

 

[volgr]

Why are libertarians atheistic and immortal? Why are only atheists immoral in your world? We aren't going to survive only because some book says don't do it

I never said they were that. I said society in general has become that.

 

[utvolpj]

I never said they were that. I said society in general has become that.

Yet most in society identify as religious. What's going to save us?

 

[utvolpj]

Libertarianism in a largely atheistic, self centered and immoral society, which we have in spades today, would only quicken its destruction. However, America is so far gone, it may not matter at this point.

I never said they were that. I said society in general has become that.

Hmmm

 

[volgr]

Yet most in society identify as religious. What's going to save us?

An increasingly decreasing portion of our population. Nothing may save us at this point but to think Libertarianism will, just doesnt make sense to me.

 

[volgr]

Hmmm

Umm, how is that an indictment on Libertarians? I clearly stated, "largely atheistic, self centered and immoral society". Meaning society was that, not Libertarians specifically.

 

[utvolpj]

An increasingly decreasing portion of our population. Nothing may save us at this point but to think Libertarianism will, just doesnt make sense to me.

"I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude."

I'd rather go down swinging. Believing we should acquiesce to some other group of people to be making all the rules and regulations for others just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[utvolpj]

Umm, how is that an indictment on Libertarians? I clearly stated, "largely atheistic, self centered and immoral society". Meaning society was that, not Libertarians specifically.

I mistakenly read it as "is" not "in"

I still don't see how increased freedom for people leads to destruction. We've watched the exact opposite do that though

 

[volgr]

I mistakenly read it as "is" not "in"

I still don't see how increased freedom for people leads to destruction. We've watched the exact opposite do that though

Because not every society is the same, which is why I gave the example of parenting your children differently depending on the unique circumstances of each.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I would agree. Best thing to do at this point is move to rural red America, know your neighbors and engage with The System as least as humanly possible.

Remember that the next time you transfer cash via Venmo or Apple/Google pay.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yet most in society identify as religious. What's going to save us?

Jesus.

 

[volgr]

Remember that the next time you transfer cash via Venmo or Apple/Google pay.

I dont use either, but I get the point.

 

[n_huffhines]

Belief in a Creator seems to act as a deterrent to immoral behavior, in general. I dont assume self destruction from a free people but I also think it depends on the general morality of said free people. If you have/had kids, you know each is very different. Some need more oversight than others. Some you can allow more freedoms.

Victimless crimes do have direct victims, the person acting and many times they have indirect victims.

According to who? I would say it depends on the beliefs. Who is afraid of doing wrong when all you have to do is have faith to get to heaven?

 

[MurphyVol]

I just don't know that I'm comfortable in having someone on the ballot that doesn't has some low level form of dementia.

 

[Pennheel]

I just don't know that I'm comfortable in having someone on the ballot that doesn't has some low level form of dementia.

That shouldn't have made me laugh,but I got a good chuckle out of it. It's good to know of someone else to vote for outside of the status quo. I'll do my research.

 

[85SugarVol]

"I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude."

I'd rather go down swinging. Believing we should acquiesce to some other group of people to be making all the rules and regulations for others just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

We have already gone over the waterfall. We are presently in an empire collapse. Progressivism won the last century bigly with participation by all parties.

Sad but true. Buy it cheap and stack it deep. Seriously considering buying a piece of land in the NC mountains or East TN somewhere relatively remote to leave to my kids as a safe place to homestead rather than leaving them $$$. I am in the gathering info and saving as much as possible phase right now. Sadly my parents had the perfect most amazing place on 9acres atop a ridge with 1 small valley of their own...there was only 1 way in, on a long, long steep gravel driveway with switchbacks that could be watched from the ridgetop with cameras or a scope year round. It was absolutely perfect. Even had a spring with natural groundwater and a well...chicken coops and a small barn in the valley...the perfect piece of land in Sevier county but away from civilization. Easy to defend with nearly every resource needed on hand for subsistence. My mom had to sell it right after cancer took my Dad a few years back because she couldnt do the upkeep and i am 4 hours away. It had a 3br 2ba house on top of the ridge with a 10ft deep porch that wrapped around all 4 sides man. No maintenance vinyl windows and siding and a 3 car garage/shop next to the house. It makes me nauseous to think about our family losing that house. I am hoping maybe i can get a decent piece of defensible land up in the hills somewhere and maybe build a small and simple house there with my own 2 hands. The crap is surely gonna hit the fan in this country sooner than later...its just a matter of when. City dwellers are gonna be totally screwed.

 

[Vol8188]

Posted this in the other thread. I like a lot about his platform.

I’m for open borders in theory, but we don’t live in a theory. Until the welfare magnet is turned off, I’ll be forever a fence rider (pun intended?) on immigration

 

[85SugarVol]

I’m for open borders in theory, but we don’t live in a theory. Until the welfare magnet is turned off, I’ll be forever a fence rider (pun intended?) on immigration

I’m for controlled immigration, at even higher levels - but it has to be controlled, we have to know who is coming in.

We should be welcoming people fleeing oppressive states, that just want to work, and not have their fruits confiscated. Putting them on a path to citizenship so they can vote against the kind of tyranny here, that they fled from there.

But yea, we can’t be ringing the dinner bell with the back door open…

 

[sonofUT62]

I’m for open borders in theory, but we don’t live in a theory. Until the welfare magnet is turned off, I’ll be forever a fence rider (pun intended?) on immigration

I hate to admit it but Romney was correct. Instead of worrying about whats already in the tub.....just turn off the spigot. I feel like he had to have stolen the quote.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I’m for controlled immigration, at even higher levels - but it has to be controlled, we have to know who is coming in.

We should be welcoming people fleeing oppressive states, that just want to work, and not have their fruits confiscated. Putting them on a path to citizenship so they can vote against the kind of tyranny here, that they fled from there.

But yea, we can’t be ringing the dinner bell with the back door open…

Only the best and brightest should be allowed in at this point IMO. With the regression now happening academically every generation (compared to our peers, as well as compared to their parents in many cases) we are gonna need more talented and bright folks to do the intellectual heavy lifting.

"Idiocracy" was based largely on truth. While the smartest folks have a steadily falling birthrate already well below 2 children per couple...which is not self sustaining...the lazy, ignorant, stupid and crazy folks reproduce like mad. Smart people use birth control so they dont have kids that they cant afford. Or like in our case...dont have kids they cant afford to put thru Christian school and help with college. Thats why we stopped at 2 instead of having 3 or 4 kids. Idiots dont have the foresight to use birth control. Welfare queens of every race have child after child that they cant afford..and refuse to get married because it would "mess up their benefits". This is how we ended up with "baby mamas" and "baby daddys" just like the liberals designed it. 70+% of black kids dont have a father in the home. Whites are nearly as bad and closing, almost 50% i think these days. The idiots and those without self control are outbreeding the best folks in our country. If we are gonna let anyone in.. at all...it needs to be folks that meet a need or deficit. Not these illegals.