Cheek is the next man out, right?

[1967vol]

Yeah, but it's all part of his "Top 25" plan. I don't think it's a reasonable goal personally. It's a great one but lets go for like top 40 or 35 first then top 25. You can't make college so expensive that the average person can't afford it. Can't be a 25 university without students.

Are you believing the top 25 universities don't have any students?

 

[TrueOrange]

we should clean house in admin to make room for people with orange in their blood imo

Orange power?

 

[InVOLuntary]

are people seriously suggesting and buying into the notion that the Chancellor of a University should be fired for not finding the current state of a football program the most important facet of his responsibilities,not trying to find a balance representing the best overall interest of the university? smh....

No one wants Cheek fired for what he's not doing to the AD but what he is doing to the AD. What many have a problem with is his entitlement attitude that revenues from athletics belong to him and he should control where it goes. If he would like to endear himself to UT fans (and I am 100% sure he doesn't give a damn about endearing himself to UT fans), he would get his booger picking, gator hands out of the athletic department. If he would just simply GTFO of the way, he could reap the benefits of more revenue from a successful football program but he can't keep his greedy little booger infested fingers out of it long enough for it to happen.

The program needs to be removed from under the chancellor and placed back under the UT president like it used to be.

 

[volboy81]

when was money taken from academics and given to the AD?

That's what I'd like to know. The academic side said they're not going to give the athletic department anymore contributions. When did they ever give the athletic department a Single penny???

 

[InVOLuntary]

That's what I'd like to know. The academic side said they're not going to give the athletic department anymore contributions. When did they ever give the athletic department a Single penny???

They haven't given any money to the AD. They are simply allowing the AD to reduce it's contribution to academics by $6mil/yr for 6 yrs. Voodoo economics.

 

[ncvol17]

UT can only accept a certain amount of students. In order to control the numbers, they raise the admission standards.

LOL, glad that wasn't the case when I went to UT. I discovered drinking in HS and grades be darned, full speed ahead to college back in my day....You had a checkbook, you were a resident, you were in UT. Back b4 I knew better - like many on here ,youth doesn't always know best.:hi:

 

[InVOLuntary]

LOL, glad that wasn't the case when I went to UT. I discovered drinking in HS and grades be darned, full speed ahead to college back in my day....You had a checkbook, you were a resident, you were in UT. Back b4 I knew better - like many on here ,youth doesn't always know best.:hi:

Right there with you bro. Got by in HS with mostly C's with a sprinkling of A's and B's. Wasn't any better in college. Quit after two years. Went back a few years later after I matured a little, applied myself, got straight A's and graduated. It's amazing what a wife and child will do for your maturity level.

 

[volzfanz]

seriously you dumbasses; do you not understand basic logic? damn... how can anyone be this dumb? how can any group be this dumb? I guess Tennessee is the answer!!! freaking dumb ass mother freakers!!!! hahaha! please try to diss me I am a UT fan with an IQ of 148. member of MENSA since I was 14. Gosh I hate how dumb our fan base is!!!!! what is 1+1? it ain't window!!!

Very inspiring. Which side do you refer to? Academic or athletic posters? Im gonna guess athletic. The athletic side is always referred to as the stupid side. The one that is, or was, financially self supportive. The one that contributed more academic donations than 90% of other athletic depts in the nation. The side that holds 2 top ten programs in the history of their particular sport. The side that makes this university diferent from every other state school in TN. The notion that the athletic dept only accounted for 6 mil a year is naive at best. Ladies basketball and UT football have done more for that school and its image than could ever be known in a petty forum like this.

 

[volzfanz]

A successful athletic deparment is absolutely vital to the overall health of every major university that is comparable to UT. Boosters, ticket sales, merchandise, conference and bowl alliances, tv contracts, etc. funnel money, resources and national notariety to this college on a level that is likely unknown to anyone that is awake at this hour and posting on a trivial little message board, myself included. The health of this university is absolutely cheeks responsibility. Reducing the commitment to excellence in athletics will damage this universities health without question. Therefore, cheeks job is most definitely at risk if UT athletics continue to belly flop under his watch. No matter if your a jock or a nerd, this school benefits greatly from competitive athletic programs.

 

[PermaVol]

Incorrect. He's pissing away money into some goofy programs and making some seriously head-scratching decisions on raises for administrators while increasing tuition around the board.

I only get mad at the people wanting him fired for thinking his job security depends solely on football. These are the people that think the University exists only for sports.

Only idiots think his job support hinges solely on football but this is a fan website to follow TN athletics thus where the majority of the talk is centered.

The academics that think Booger can continue to hamper the football program like he has been without repercussions are delusional as well though.

The problem, to me, is that Booger and crew are completely overlooking the fact that if they would simply allow (and even help) the football program be successful they would reap considerable benefits compared to what they are now by hampering and bleeding it dry. There are tons of data, statistics, and real-life examples (see bama, uf, uga, tosu, etc) of how successful athletic programs can help universities attract more and better students, more and larger donations from their alumni base, as well as many other tangible and intangible benefits.

What is funny to me is booger, martin, etc don't like athletics but aren't considering the large amount of factual data that demonstrates the avg. student-athlete is a better student, better leader, more disciplined, more well-rounded, and ultimately more successful in their professional careers compared to the common student. TN has over 500 student-athletes and only 85 of them play football. So more than 83% (with about 99% of them NOT going professional) of the student-athletes at TN should suffer because our administration doesn't like how football operates, how much coaches get paid, or that they have to let-in 5-10 "sub-par" students (.03% of the total student body) every year? But hey, those student-athletes and programs don't matter because they don't like football right?

If these "academics" were so intelligent they would understand that they could gain much, much more from the football program if they would just step to the side.

 

[PermaVol]

No one wants Cheek fired for what he's not doing to the AD but what he is doing to the AD. What many have a problem with is his entitlement attitude that revenues from athletics belong to him and he should control where it goes. If he would like to endear himself to UT fans (and I am 100% sure he doesn't give a damn about endearing himself to UT fans), he would get his booger picking, gator hands out of the athletic department. If he would just simply GTFO of the way, he could reap the benefits of more revenue from a successful football program but he can't keep his greedy little booger infested fingers out of it long enough for it to happen.

The program needs to be removed from under the chancellor and placed back under the UT president like it used to be.

The program needs to operate as a separate entity like uga and uf does. If the TNAD wants to make donations to the university that's cool because I'm all for my Alma Mater bettering itself academically. However, it should be understood that all donations are made after the AD has met (yearly) its' stated minimum threshold for reserves and the donation should be a % of of the net profit of the AD.

If TN athletics has a reserve fund of $50m and is generating a net operating profit of $20m/yr then I see no issue with tossing $5m to the academic side. This is a win-win, but the current greedy admin. wants everything, it's ridiculous. This is what happens when a bunch of unqualified academic theorists start making real life business decisions for a $100m company.

 

[PermaVol]

State residents are entitled to access a state institution of higher learning--not necessarily UTK. Allowing such a right would pose numerous problems for not only UT (such as overcrowding, lack of resources), but also the many other state institutions like ETSU that rely on state students to operate or otherwise be downsized. A stable student population is in the best interest of all institutions involved.

Supply and demand is what is pushing UT's admissions higher than some edict from the Hill.

I don't argue with your statement but what is the determining factor of our ceiling here? Schools like UF and UGA have 50k student where TN has 30k. We have the room for expansion and where its understandable TN can't make significant leaps in student enrollment as it would put too much strain on the current system, I can't see why TN isn't growing with the demand by increasing production and keeping prices steady rather than keep production steady and raising prices?

The desire to be "elite" is not sacrificed by having a larger student population. UGA and UF, again, are examples because their academics are more respected than TN's.

Just a confusing situation.

Edit: just noticed I made 3 posts in a row haha, sorry guys I'm just really annoyed by this situation.

 

[Escape Goat]

I suppose we turn the other Cheek???

Looks that way

 

[SandoVOL]

Orange power?

Similar to Lycan blood IMO, 3 wolves moon t-shirt really sets it off. We all know neither cheeks nor hart own "the shirt".

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

Well technically the money was supposed to be given to the acedemic side from the atheletic side. Booger eating Chancellor Cheek agreed to let the AD keep that money for the next three years.

:lolabove:How can you spell Booger correct and not spell academic and athletic correct!

 

[OrangeYankee]

He's not targeting athletes. He is trying to improve the academic standards of the University. A non-athlete student also is subject to those standards (if not higher ones).

Football players are STUDENT athletes. The chancellor is responsible for students. Therefore, it is certainly his business.

This is not from the direction of "They tuk ur Fuhsbawl!" But I am generally curious... doesn't that completely defeat the purpose of a land grant college? Isn't supposed to be for the population at large to have a shot at a degree? You raise the standards and it makes it pretty hard for the every day joe to get in and stay in. You raise the tuition and it makes it impossible for those who don't have $Texas or aren't on the Government dole to come here...

 

[InVOLuntary]

The program needs to operate as a separate entity like uga and uf does. If the TNAD wants to make donations to the university that's cool because I'm all for my Alma Mater bettering itself academically. However, it should be understood that all donations are made after the AD has met (yearly) its' stated minimum threshold for reserves and the donation should be a % of of the net profit of the AD.

If TN athletics has a reserve fund of $50m and is generating a net operating profit of $20m/yr then I see no issue with tossing $5m to the academic side. This is a win-win, but the current greedy admin. wants everything, it's ridiculous. This is what happens when a bunch of unqualified academic theorists start making real life business decisions for a $100m company.

I agree 110%. I was listening to Hyams the other day ( I know it was probably historical), he was saying no other SEC (maybe in NCAA) school contributed even close to the amount of money to the academic side of their respective University as the UTAD does. I am not sure who these others schools AD report to whether it's the president, chancellor, or the bot.

 

[InVOLuntary]

:lolabove:How can you spell Booger correct and not spell academic and athletic correct!

Easy, you learn to spell booger early in life and use it more frequently. Also I was on mobile and I am lucky to even see the screen let alone hit the appropriate tiny letters with my large fingers.

Oh, and quit laughing and pointing at me. It's very rude.

 

[BandVOL]

The grammar and spelling police here are only pointing it out because of some need to feel superior
It's a Narcassistic need to feel better about themselves

Don't worry about them...Noone else does

Easy, you learn to spell booger early in life and use it more frequently. Also I was on mobile and I am lucky to even see the screen let alone hit the appropriate tiny letters with my large fingers.

Oh, and quit laughing and pointing at me. It's very rude.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The grammar and spelling police here are only pointing it out because of some need to feel superior
It's a Narcassistic need to feel better about themselves

Don't worry about them...Noone else does

Thank yourn fer ye's suppert!

 

[sanddune50]

UT: No more funding aid for sports » Knoxville News Sentinel Mobile

That article was a lot of smoke and mirrors from Chris Cimino. For whatever reason Cheek, Liberal Arts Martin, and Cimino have deluded themselves in thinking any money going back into the AD is money from the academic side while glossing over most of that money came from the AD to begin with. This is why they are incompetent boneheads who apparently have their own personal agendas to misrepresent where their revenue is derived from.

I don't like dishonest people, and I definitely don't want them running the university I support. There needs to be grand overhaul in the academic department with set guidelines as to what the main goals will be with potential successors. I'm not saying go all in on sports, but we need someone to come in and run this thing like a business to allow the academic side and athletic side to be self sustaining and not being so intermingled with one another.

 

[Bray#1Vol]

lmao money was taken from ut sports way before we took money from the school...the money that was going to the school was donated for sports...that being said school comes first but money needs to be given to football/basketball and whatever left can go to the rest cause i really dont think any of us care how the polo teams doing!!

 

[SaintLouisVol]

This is not from the direction of "They tuk ur Fuhsbawl!" But I am generally curious... doesn't that completely defeat the purpose of a land grant college? Isn't supposed to be for the population at large to have a shot at a degree? You raise the standards and it makes it pretty hard for the every day joe to get in and stay in. You raise the tuition and it makes it impossible for those who don't have $Texas or aren't on the Government dole to come here...

I appreciate your point, but the truth remains that the demand for admission into the University is outpacing it's capacity. So, the options are to increase capacity or to curtail demand. Admission standards and tuition costs are two ways to manage demand.

 

[billemert11]

hope he's gone before this season starts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PermaVol]

I agree 110%. I was listening to Hyams the other day ( I know it was probably historical), he was saying no other SEC (maybe in NCAA) school contributed even close to the amount of money to the academic side of their respective University as the UTAD does. I am not sure who these others schools AD report to whether it's the president, chancellor, or the bot.

booger and the rest of the admin don't understand how lucky they are. There are about 10 athletic departments in the country that show a profit every year. Getting money from athletics is a privilege and if they continue down the road that they currently have us on then they'll eventually get squat.

It's a simple formula.. allow athletics to thrive and in return receive a considerable amount of benefits that 93%+ of every other University in D-1 athletics doesn't.