Chester Brown de-committs due to immigration rules at UGA

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Orange_Crush said:
I'm not familliar with the article you mentioned; proof enough I haven't followed this thread in its entirity. However, you're just making my point for me.

In our free market society, the balance of what a job is worth is dictated, not solely by the industry, the individual worker, or the a priori opinion of an internet poster. It is decided by what it takes to get people to do it in the free market society.

When you import an illegal base of workers willing (and most likely forced, due to their illegal status) to undercut that free market exchange between employer and employee, then the free market system is broken and it creates an unfair advantage one way or the other.

So, what we have with the illegal workforce is the uncomfortable situation where american workers don't just have to compete with the US standard of living for pay rate, but the standard of living of every third world country that has people escaping to come work here.

These immigrants are called "illegal" immigrants for a reason-- because they are here illegally. These arguments that we are a hypocritical nation since we all descended from immigrants that stole the land from the natives is hypocritical in itself.

Every person making that argument owns or leases the house they live in. I don't see them giving the house back to the native population. As a matter of fact, if an "illegal" visitor came into their house at 1am and started eating out of their fridge, I suspect even these folks would (at least) call the police to have them arrested, or (at worse) shoot the inruders' ***.

We are a nation with skyrocketing unemployment. If a certain percentage of that population takes the opinion that we should enforce our borders to keep our jobs open for unemployed citizens, then one should at least acknowledge the logic behind their opinion.

/rant :)
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You sir have earned a slow clap. :clapping:
 
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UTKSenior said:
lol @ the "Native Americans are/are not illegal immigrants" argument. Someone even said "they savagely killed other tribes!" :eek:lol:

What a useless thread this has become.
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Yes they did and over land. Just like the Euros did to them. My point is they claim this is their land when they aren't originally from the continent either. They migrated from Asia and other parts of this globe, we all know this to be historically factual. No one said "Native Americans" are illegal immigrants. Dumb.
 
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JD05 said:
Your theory is wrong. That's a hell of an assessment that I don't pay very much in income taxes based off an internet post. Where's the hypocrisy in my post? My post was right on. This country can't support the elderly because were paying for the crackhead that won't work. Were paying for the whore that has 5 kids by 5 different dudes and gets a WIC for her groceries while smoking crack. We have VETS that struggle everyday just to move their bodies but yet were broke paying for the SOB's with their hand out. But all you can get out of my post is I probably don't pay a lot of taxes. I paid right at $20,000 last year. Is that enough for the welfare, crackhead recipients?
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No it's not enough. It's not enough because Obama says it's not enough. To him you haven't paid your "fair share". Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean? You have earned too much money you greedy son of a *****!!!!! Whatever that is supposed to mean. All this rubbage and class warfare coming from a person (Obama) who is said to have earned anywhere from 3 to 11 million dollars last year. 3 to 11? How the **** do you not know how much you earned? Because you earned so much that is doesn't even matter to you? Or, because he is so financially irresponsible and really that much of a dumb ass? Also, he *****es and complains about how "rich" (who he considers rich) people don't pay their "fair share". Who the hell is he to tell anyone how much they should earn or pay? The USA isn't a socialist or communist country yet, like he thinks it is (wants it to be). For what it's worth Obama made charitable donations of 1%, 1 ****ing percent, verses Romney's 15% to charitable donations. All this while he claims folks like Romney don't pay enough (their "fair share"). BTW EFF Romney too!
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm not weighing in on any particular side, as it is complex. But just as a brief correction:

We don't have thousands of jobs that americans refuse to do. We have more and more jobs in which the pay scale is being undercut by illegal workers.

There is a big difference.
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Last I checked minimum wage keeps going up and they still can't fill these jobs with Americans.

Trust me. I hire alot of people and America is ****ed.
 
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NEOCON said:
Last I checked minimum wage keeps going up and they still can't fill these jobs with Americans.

Trust me. I hire alot of people and America is ****ed.
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Can't? You're talking around my point and not to it. They haven't filled these jobs with Americans because they are currently filled with non-Americans.

I grew up in S Ga picking tobacco for X amount of money. After a couple of summers I didn't pick tobacco anymore because the jobs were being filled by illegal immigrants who did it for 'x-minus' amount of money.

It wasn't a matter of the tobacco farm owners not being able to fill the jobs with citizens or legal immigrants; they had been doing just that. It was a matter that they could fill them by illegally hiring from another population, for less money, and paying them under the table.

"Can't" is such an overused word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
fact is: americans are accustomed to being overpaid for unskilled work.
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Some people don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

In your scenario, who is the governing body that dictates the wage scale for work in the United States?
 
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KiffinKiller said:
so you don't agree?
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I disagree with an opinion stated as fact, yes. Be careful when stating as fact, something as relative as "over/under-anything", my friend.

I disagree with pretty much any statement that generalized an entire population and paints with such broad brushes as "Americans...", "Mexicans...", "Southerners...", "Yankees...", "Whites..." or "Blacks..." This is usually a tell-tale sign of a lack of the necessary cognative skills to break through stereotypes and consider the specifics of a situation separately from the generalities.

I disagree that you or anyone else have the right to state as "fact" what the maximum acceptable payment for any labor is to be in the United States.
 
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