Chester Brown de-committs due to immigration rules at UGA

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^^^ Great three posts above. Served my country for 22 years, 8 months, and 27 days. I am for freedom since I defended it for so long, but make sure it is legal first.
 
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madbamahater said:
You don't factually know that the people you are referring to are the actual natives since science says they come from asia and other parts of the world. Who did they kill off when they arrived? What peoples did they commit genocide against? The entire globe is no one's land only, it's all of our land. So your argument that Europeans stole their land is foolish. That being said a country is not a country unless it has a border. America wasn't a country then, it is now. When the folks that you call natives were here this land was divided into terriories that different racial and tribes controlled. Like little counties themselves. We know this to be historically and scientifically factual. So who was here before the so called natives? Other natives. That were likely killed off or genectically exterminated through reproduction with "new peoples"?
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Fair, Europeans killed them off, and settled the land. Then they went and killed some Mexicans and took a bunch more land, which was part of a country, and now we have The USA! I'm so proud of us. Making the world a better place through our "manifest destiny."
 
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volfan51128 said:
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I dont! Its called illegal immigration for a reason!
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Yeah let him suffer for his something he had no control over!! Immigrants aren't really people right? I mean as a native american I get pissed at all these white people around.
 
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SCvol333 said:
i love all these people who aren't native americans that rail against illegal immegration - makes no sense to me

their first defense will be - but my ancestors came here legally

which makes sense unless you think about it for lets say 10 seconds - we basically let anyone in at that point so it was pretty hard to immigrate illegally when your ancestors came - your ancestors were broke, with no skills and no education and the US welcomed you with open arms - now that your in the door and have the education and skills you want to shut it on everyone else - classy move
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Big difference. Then there wasn't a welfare magnet. People came here and to make their own way, not to get on the government teet. The people that were living here did not have to subsidize those entering. end of political rant.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Get off ur high horse! Notice the 3 fingers pointing back at u when u call others self-righteous and ignorant. Name calling can go both ways. People like u and the PC police are just as bad if not worse than the ones u accuse. Just different sides of the aisle. Illegal immigration is a major issue as it has allowed a large amount of our population to get lazy, and now it's a generational deal.

If u really had compassion for the people that "have" to come here then u'd complain and put more effort in fixing the situation of their native country. Not trying to fix and change this great country to their needs.
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I'm pretty curious how illegal immigration caused our population to get lazy. I'll wait on that one.
 
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JD05 said:
Didn't Aaron Tippin sing a song that said "you've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything?" I feel bad for the dude but we as a country have to draw the line somewhere in the sand. Handle your business and enjoy what this country has to offer. Rely on everybody else to handle your business and let the gov't send you a $1000 a month for the rest of your life while the ones that handled their own business pays for your ass and wonder why you can't get ahead in life living off of the gov't. Screw them SOB's that think I owe them something. I want my taxes I pay to support our VETS and current military, retired people that worked their ass off, and the SERIOUSLY disabled folks. Hell I'm bi-polar when I'm pissed off. Where's my check?
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I have a theory that you don't pay very much in income taxes.
 
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thebjd said:
Big difference. Then there wasn't a welfare magnet. People came here and to make their own way, not to get on the government teet. The people that were living here did not have to subsidize those entering. end of political rant.
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Illegal immigrants don't come here for the welfare. The come for the jobs and the education for their kids. Also it's often more about leaving their country of origin than about where they end up.

If they where coming for welfare, they'd be going to Europe or Canada.

As evidenced by the situations in GA and AL, America has a ton of jobs that Americans will not do. It isn't because they're all lazy and on welfare either. It's because we drill it into everyone's heads all through childhood that everyone needs to go to college and get a skilled job and that these other jobs are beneath them. The fact of the matter is that every American isn't actually smart or gifted or skilled enough to benefit from a degree.

It's a deep cultural problem and blaming foreigners for "taking our jobs" or "wasting our tax dollars" is just a way to ignore the real problem.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I have a theory that you don't pay very much in income taxes.
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I'm not taking sides here but by you making a statement in regards to not paying " very much" may be revealing to yourself. See it is all relative, this is what I propose " if I pay $50,000 on $500,000 I would have an effective tax base of 10%. I would be happy with that. However if you paid $10,000 on $50,000, you would be at an effective tax base of 20%. Which of these is paying "very much" or too much?
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
Illegal immigrants don't come here for the welfare. The come for the jobs and the education for their kids. Also it's often more about leaving their country of origin than about where they end up.

If they where coming for welfare, they'd be going to Europe or Canada.

As evidenced by the situations in GA and AL, America has a ton of jobs that Americans will not do. It isn't because they're all lazy and on welfare either. It's because we drill it into everyone's heads all through childhood that everyone needs to go to college and get a skilled job and that these other jobs are beneath them. The fact of the matter is that every American isn't actually smart or gifted or skilled enough to benefit from a degree.

It's a deep cultural problem and blaming foreigners for "taking our jobs" or "wasting our tax dollars" is just a way to ignore the real problem.
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I'm not weighing in on any particular side, as it is complex. But just as a brief correction:

We don't have thousands of jobs that americans refuse to do. We have more and more jobs in which the pay scale is being undercut by illegal workers.

There is a big difference.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm not weighing in on any particular side, as it is complex. But just as a brief correction:

We don't have thousands of jobs that americans refuse to do. We have more and more jobs in which the pay scale is being undercut by illegal workers.

There is a big difference.
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I think that paying field laborers a high enough wage to entice Americans to humble themselves to that work would not be feasible for the agricultural industry. Farmers couldn't afford it.

The article said they tried to pay $10 an hour in GA. While that's not a high wage, I would contend that it's perfectly fair for unskilled labor. That's comparable to what people in many service industry jobs make.

These are essentially minimum wage jobs. There are some cases where illegals are working for less than minimum wage which would seem to undercut American laborers. However, since Americans apparently aren't willing to do these jobs for minimum wage the point is moot.
 
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100000strong said:
I'm not taking sides here but by you making a statement in regards to not paying " very much" may be revealing to yourself. See it is all relative, this is what I propose " if I pay $50,000 on $500,000 I would have an effective tax base of 10%. I would be happy with that. However if you paid $10,000 on $50,000, you would be at an effective tax base of 20%. Which of these is paying "very much" or too much?
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I was more referencing the fact that he seemed to think making 12k a year off of welfare was a reasonable income. If he thinks that, he probably isn't paying income tax at all and he himself is a beneficiary of the social support system that he so maligns.

By the way, I'm in favor of a progressive tax system. I just wanted to point out his hypocrisy.
 
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lol @ the "Native Americans are/are not illegal immigrants" argument. Someone even said "they savagely killed other tribes!" :eek:lol:

What a useless thread this has become.
 
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Can we have this thread renamed to Immigration Laws/Federal Income Tax Debate? And possibly moved into a dark corner somewhere?
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I think that paying field laborers a high enough wage to entice Americans to humble themselves to that work would not be feasible for the agricultural industry. Farmers couldn't afford it.

The article said they tried to pay $10 an hour in GA. While that's not a high wage, I would contend that it's perfectly fair for unskilled labor. That's comparable to what people in many service industry jobs make.

These are essentially minimum wage jobs. There are some cases where illegals are working for less than minimum wage which would seem to undercut American laborers. However, since Americans apparently aren't willing to do these jobs for minimum wage the point is moot.
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I'm not familliar with the article you mentioned; proof enough I haven't followed this thread in its entirity. However, you're just making my point for me.

In our free market society, the balance of what a job is worth is dictated, not solely by the industry, the individual worker, or the a priori opinion of an internet poster. It is decided by what it takes to get people to do it in the free market society.

When you import an illegal base of workers willing (and most likely forced, due to their illegal status) to undercut that free market exchange between employer and employee, then the free market system is broken and it creates an unfair advantage one way or the other.

So, what we have with the illegal workforce is the uncomfortable situation where american workers don't just have to compete with the US standard of living for pay rate, but the standard of living of every third world country that has people escaping to come work here.

These immigrants are called "illegal" immigrants for a reason-- because they are here illegally. These arguments that we are a hypocritical nation since we all descended from immigrants that stole the land from the natives is hypocritical in itself.

Every person making that argument owns or leases the house they live in. I don't see them giving the house back to the native population. As a matter of fact, if an "illegal" visitor came into their house at 1am and started eating out of their fridge, I suspect even these folks would (at least) call the police to have them arrested, or (at worse) shoot the inruders' ***.

We are a nation with skyrocketing unemployment. If a certain percentage of that population takes the opinion that we should enforce our borders to keep our jobs open for unemployed citizens, then one should at least acknowledge the logic behind their opinion.

/rant :)
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I have a theory that you don't pay very much in income taxes.
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Your theory is wrong. That's a hell of an assessment that I don't pay very much in income taxes based off an internet post. Where's the hypocrisy in my post? My post was right on. This country can't support the elderly because were paying for the crackhead that won't work. Were paying for the whore that has 5 kids by 5 different dudes and gets a WIC for her groceries while smoking crack. We have VETS that struggle everyday just to move their bodies but yet were broke paying for the SOB's with their hand out. But all you can get out of my post is I probably don't pay a lot of taxes. I paid right at $20,000 last year. Is that enough for the welfare, crackhead recipients?
 
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KingtUT said:
Why, he's an illegal immagrant? Congrats to UGA for having standards. JMO
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You can still feel bad for the kid. He didn't do anything to break the law. His parents did, apparently. I feel bad for him, too. What kid is mature enough to actually say, "hey pops, am I legal? And do you have the paperwork to prove it?"
 
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