Chick-Fil-A President: Men shouldn't eat other men's chicken

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OrangeEmpire said:
Imo, having govt define marriage is deplorable.

Why in the world would you willingly give that right to the govt

Gay marriage is trivial, one should fight to live as free as humanly possible
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Agree on all accounts. But as long as the Gov't is involved and there are certain rights and advantages -- we will continue to have this issue.
 
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VolByBirth said:
Agree on all accounts. But as long as the Gov't is involved and there are certain rights and advantages -- we will continue to have this issue.
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It is beyond me how this is an issue. Im a bible thumper but I understand the value of freedom. I have the freedom to disagree with their life style but they should have complete freedom to live how they want.

Imo, christians are too lazy to get into their communities then rely on govt to proselytize.

Ive said it a thousand times, the local church has suffeted greatly since the 50s by leaving their communities and becoming inclusive social clubs.
 
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VolByBirth said:
Agree on all accounts. But as long as the Gov't is involved and there are certain rights and advantages -- we will continue to have this issue.
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Agreed. I was about to reply separately about this. The government has no business being in the 'marriage' business, but since they are and have ascribed several rights/benefits to those who are married, we are in this situation. Honestly, I understand the folks who oppose same-sex 'marriage' for religious reasons (don't agree, but understand); it is the folks who actively oppose/block civil union options that really bother me.
 
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The opposers are fighting a PR battle they cannot win. Dan Cathy was asked a question ,and he gave an honest answer. He never brought up the subject himself. Dan Cathy never said in any shape or form that he dislikes homosexuals. He just doesn't support gay marriage. Who cares, conservative or liberals, if he answers honestly about his beliefs?

Chick Fila has done nothing wrong. People can choose not to eat there, but the business is not going to suffer long-term.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
It is beyond me how this is an issue. Im a bible thumper but I understand the value of freedom. I have the freedom to disagree with their life style but they should have complete freedom to live how they want.

Imo, christians are too lazy to get into their communities then rely on govt to proselytize.

Ive said it a thousand times, the local church has suffeted greatly since the 50s by leaving their communities and becoming inclusive social clubs.
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This!!!!
 
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gcbvol said:
Agreed. I was about to reply separately about this. The government has no business being in the 'marriage' business, but since they are and have ascribed several rights/benefits to those who are married, we are in this situation. Honestly, I understand the folks who oppose same-sex 'marriage' for religious reasons (don't agree, but understand); it is the folks who actively oppose/block civil union options that really bother me.
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This is where I'm at.
 
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VolByBirth said:
Why? Because it can be read that Christians are like 'Bama fans. Joke. Relax.
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No. Because you claim that a homosexual couldn't be a Christian. I know several gay Christians who love the Lord and they are brilliant witnesses in their communities. I can't imagine how difficult their lives are to feel the way they do while trying to follow His word. I know one in particular who is in depression because she will never allow herself to act in her feelings, so she feels doomed to a lonely life.
I wonder what you think makes you a Christian. Can you not sin at all? I consider myself one, though I eat shrimp whenever I can. Man, it's good, too! If you've read Leviticus you may think I'm destined to Hell.
 
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volinbham said:
This is where I'm at.
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OrangeEmpire said:
Exactly, what exactly do christians win with the legal definition of marriage?

Dont give me 2 Chronicles 7:14 or Acts 3:19 argument...........reaching at best.
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Same here. As a believer I fully support gay couples receiving the same benefits as married couples and being recognized as having a legal union or whatever you want to call it. I just don't believe government should be re-defining marriage.
 
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Panthro said:
No. Because you claim that a homosexual couldn't be a Christian. I know several gay Christians who love the Lord and they are brilliant witnesses in their communities. I can't imagine how difficult their lives are to feel the way they do while trying to follow His word. I know one in particular who is in depression because she will never allow herself to act in her feelings, so she feels doomed to a lonely life.
I wonder what you think makes you a Christian. Can you not sin at all? I consider myself one, though I eat shrimp whenever I can. Man, it's good, too! If you've read Leviticus you may think I'm destined to Hell.
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I didn't say couldn't --- I implied most likely wasn't or shouldn't. I have now doubt there are many repressed gays that are religious.

I am no Christian. Never claimed to be. And no, that's not so I can sleep at night for all the "sinning" I do. I'm just not a fan of the Bible or organized religion.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Same here. As a believer I fully support gay couples receiving the same benefits as married couples and being recognized as having a legal union or whatever you want to call it. I just don't believe government should be re-defining marriage.
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Yes.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Same here. As a believer I fully support gay couples receiving the same benefits as married couples and being recognized as having a legal union or whatever you want to call it. I just don't believe government should be re-defining marriage.
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Government shouldn't be defining marriage, period.
 
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Panthro said:
No. Because you claim that a homosexual couldn't be a Christian. I know several gay Christians who love the Lord and they are brilliant witnesses in their communities. I can't imagine how difficult their lives are to feel the way they do while trying to follow His word. I know one in particular who is in depression because she will never allow herself to act in her feelings, so she feels doomed to a lonely life.
I wonder what you think makes you a Christian. Can you not sin at all? I consider myself one, though I eat shrimp whenever I can. Man, it's good, too! If you've read Leviticus you may think I'm destined to Hell.
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But that's a problem. Homosexuality is against his word. And you're misunderstanding sin. Everyone sins, Christians included. However, there is a difference in sinning occasionally by slipping up in whatever area and practicing sin.
Salvation comes by repentance and confession/acceptance of Christ as lord. How can one say "lord I'm sorry for my sins, forgive me. I now repent, I forsake my sinful lifestyle and accept you as lord of my life", yet continue to live as they please contrary to his word. That's not true repentance.
 
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615vols said:
But that's a problem. Homosexuality is against his word. And you're misunderstanding sin. Everyone sins, Christians included. However, there is a difference in sinning occasionally by slipping up in whatever area and practicing sin.
Salvation comes by repentance and confession/acceptance of Christ as lord. How can one say "lord I'm sorry for my sins, forgive me. I now repent, I forsake my sinful lifestyle and accept you as lord of my life", yet continue to live as they please contrary to his word. That's not true repentance.
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jmo... but I would guess that there are many Christians (me included) that are "practicing sin" fairly often and don't even realize it.
 
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615vols said:
But that's a problem. Homosexuality is against his word. And you're misunderstanding sin. Everyone sins, Christians included. However, there is a difference in sinning occasionally by slipping up in whatever area and practicing sin.
Salvation comes by repentance and confession/acceptance of Christ as lord. How can one say "lord I'm sorry for my sins, forgive me. I now repent, I forsake my sinful lifestyle and accept you as lord of my life", yet continue to live as they please contrary to his word. That's not true repentance.
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In the case of one of my friends, she is in fact a homosexual but doesn't act on it. The initial post I was responding to joked that homosexuals can't be.Christians.
Also, I fully plan on eating shrimp again soon.
 
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Panthro said:
In the case of one of my friends, she is in fact a homosexual but doesn't act on it. The initial post I was responding to joked that homosexuals can't be.Christians.
Also, I fully plan on eating shrimp again soon.
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I apologize for moving off-topic a bit, but the above highlights something I think is very important. I know many who are gay (myself included) who were raised in Christian homes, and were or still are very involved with their church. Many of us fought very hard against our homosexuality for many years before ultimately accepting who we are. It certainly was not easy nor was it a choice. The whole thing is a big paradox to me. Why would God allow us to be born with homosexual orientation if it is something He condemns? It is a very difficult thing to rationalize. My heart goes out to your friend; I respect her conviction, but understand her pain. I was there at a point in my life.
 
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gcbvol said:
I apologize for moving off-topic a bit, but the above highlights something I think is very important. I know many who are gay (myself included) who were raised in Christian homes, and were or still are very involved with their church. Many of us fought very hard against our homosexuality for many years before ultimately accepting who we are. It certainly was not easy nor was it a choice. The whole thing is a big paradox to me. Why would God allow us to be born with homosexual orientation if it is something He condemns? It is a very difficult thing to rationalize. My heart goes out to your friend; I respect her conviction, but understand her pain. I was there at a point in my life.
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One of my roommates at UT was homosexual. Ironically, his older brother was also homosexual. His family (including my roommate), being fervent Christians, disowned his older brother for being gay. He was absolutely petrified about anyone finding out his orientation. He was mortified when my friend (fellow roommate) and I told he that we knew. After a couple months of coxing him, we finally were able to turn our house into a "safe zone" where he could express his views and feelings freely without fear that such information would be broadcast to the world. It really improved his quality of life I think.

It is really said to see the stark contrast of a homosexual growing up in Atlanta (where my best friend at UT and I were raised) and how my homosexual roommate from Bum****ville, TN was raised. The homosexuals in our high school freely expressed themselves and were comfortable within their own skin. If someone cracked a joke, they would either roll with it or nonchalantly brush it off. His experience couldn't be further opposite; not to mention that his "home" was the worst offender.

Although I love UT and had some of by best memories there, such instances really gave me a certain level of disdain for the type of people it harbored. Granted there is a certain level wherever you go, Tennessee just always felt different.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
One of my roommates at UT was homosexual. Ironically, his older brother was also homosexual. His family (including my roommate), being fervent Christians, disowned his older brother for being gay. He was absolutely petrified about anyone finding out his orientation. He was mortified when my friend (fellow roommate) and I told he that we knew. After a couple months of coxing him, we finally were able to turn our house into a "safe zone" where he could express his views and feelings freely without fear that such information would be broadcast to the world. It really improved his quality of life I think.

It is really said to see the stark contrast of a homosexual growing up in Atlanta (where my best friend at UT and I were raised) and how my homosexual roommate from Bum****ville, TN was raised. The homosexuals in our high school freely expressed themselves and were comfortable within their own skin. If someone cracked a joke, they would either roll with it or nonchalantly brush it off. His experience couldn't be further opposite; not to mention that his "home" was the worst offender.

Although I love UT and had some of by best memories there, such instances really gave me a certain level of disdain for the type of people it harbored. Granted there is a certain level wherever you go, Tennessee just always felt different.
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Dude....you must be bored....you were the last person to post on almost every topic in the Politics forum....dang....
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
That's the point...I am intolerant because I do not believe in Gay Marriage...but your not intolerant bc you disagree with my values....?
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Your values are intolerance towards your fellow man. Guess I'm a bit intolerant towards that. I don't wish you harm or anything, and we could probably get a beer and be friends. But yes, I guess you could label me intolerant towards your values on this issue.
 
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I just don't like when people are labeled as bigots or even called intolerant when they hold a belief strictly because of their religion. I find it a little impressive for some to blindly follow the word of the Bible so passionately. I have trouble doing so, and I always have a small piece of me that wonders, "am I wrong to question this?"
An intolerant bigot is someone who doesn't believe in gay marriage because they think gays are icky, and it makes them uncomfortable.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Your values are intolerance towards your fellow man. Guess I'm a bit intolerant towards that. I don't wish you harm or anything, and we could probably get a beer and be friends. But yes, I guess you could label me intolerant towards your values on this issue.
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Don't get me wrong I do not wish harm on you either....I was just stating the problem with calling one intolerant for their beliefs while seeming to be intolerant of that person...I am sure we could get together and shoot the bull and have a great time....like I stated earlier in this thread....Hate the Sin....Not the Sinner....I am friends with plenty of Gay people...I work with 2 now and we get along great and they know my stance and I theirs....and we are fine....seems they would rather me be open about my beliefs in front of them instead of behind their back....what kind of Christian would I be if I totally dismissed the person and never tried to be their friend to show that I do have compassion for their soul.....ostricizing (sp) them does no good....I try to love all people(except cops.....thats for you OE :))....I don't believe in shoving my beliefs upon you but I will mention it once and would be their if you ever wanted to discuss further...just bc we disagree doesn't mean I don't like you
 
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