Children don't belong to parents, they belong to the community

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Rasputin_Vol said:
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One post of yours I finally agree with; however, weren't you the one who posted some video by Tommy deriding mothers who were encouraging their children to dance in a certain manner? Do those children belong to the parents? to you? or to the community? If they belong to the parents, then why are you upset?
 
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I agree with her. However, it flies in the face of our innate self-interests and independent ideals.
 
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My lib friend just heard me listening to that video..said "WHAT? Dats Crazy!"..
 
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I get what she is saying and agree to a certain extent. Of course my kids are my kids and I'm ultimately responsible for them. However, I appreciate it when other adults watch out for them and are concerned for their safety and security. Even when that means those adults might correct my kids or call us and let us know when they misbehave. We are too isolated in our neighborhoods these days and too often we hear stories of kids in situations that are wrong. Yet, no one gets involved enough to help out. It doesn't mean I abdicate all responsibility to the community, but that the community plays a role in keeping all the kids on track.
 
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therealUT said:
One post of yours I finally agree with; however, weren't you the one who posted some video by Tommy deriding mothers who were encouraging their children to dance in a certain manner? Do those children belong to the parents? to you? or to the community? If they belong to the parents, then why are you upset?
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Yes, they do. The children didn't ask to be here. Nor did "the community" ask for them to be here. The children were born based on decisions and actions that the parents made. The parents created the child, and therefore, are responsible for raising them. The community had no part in all of that. And the children had no choice in coming here. That is why in normal societies, the parents are responsible for children and their well being until they reach a certain age of maturity. Anything before that age, most societies will hold the parents accountable for the actions of the children and/or the decisions that they make because they are not mature enough to handle adult responsibilities.
 
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YorkVol said:
I get what she is saying and agree to a certain extent. Of course my kids are my kids and I'm ultimately responsible for them. However, I appreciate it when other adults watch out for them and are concerned for their safety and security. Even when that means those adults might correct my kids or call us and let us know when they misbehave. We are too isolated in our neighborhoods these days and too often we hear stories of kids in situations that are wrong. Yet, no one gets involved enough to help out. It doesn't mean I abdicate all responsibility to the community, but that the community plays a role in keeping all the kids on track.
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Yep. That is what I think when I think of "community" and helping raise kids. What kind of environment they have (friends, areas, experiences outside the home, etc) is a big part of how a person turns out.

Not to mention virtual "second families" that I have that constantly look out for me. All the extra help and attention helps.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Yep. That is what I think when I think of "community" and helping raise kids. What kind of environment they have (friends, areas, experiences outside the home, etc) is a big part of how a person turns out.

Not to mention virtual "second families" that I have that constantly look out for me. All the extra help and attention helps.
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That ain't what she's talking about, though.
 
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So if kids were to belong to the community does the community get to share the blame and be held liable for crimes the kids commit?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
So if kids were to belong to the community does the community get to share the blame and be held liable for crimes the kids commit?
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Take it one step further.

If the kids belong to the community, does the community get to decide when the community has too many kids for it to support and get to control who or when people can have kids?
 
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YorkVol said:
I get what she is saying and agree to a certain extent. Of course my kids are my kids and I'm ultimately responsible for them. However, I appreciate it when other adults watch out for them and are concerned for their safety and security. Even when that means those adults might correct my kids or call us and let us know when they misbehave. We are too isolated in our neighborhoods these days and too often we hear stories of kids in situations that are wrong. Yet, no one gets involved enough to help out. It doesn't mean I abdicate all responsibility to the community, but that the community plays a role in keeping all the kids on track.
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Well said! When I was groing up, the neighbors wouldn't hesitate to lecture me if they saw me doing something I shouldn't be doing. Then they'd call my dad so he could bust my azz when I got home.
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FLVOL_79 said:
So if kids were to belong to the community does the community get to share the blame and be held liable for crimes the kids commit?
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Well, to a certain extent we already are. We're paying the cost of these decisions in many ways, from expanded public assistance to over crowded jails.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes, they do. The children didn't ask to be here. Nor did "the community" ask for them to be here. The children were born based on decisions and actions that the parents made. The parents created the child, and therefore, are responsible for raising them. The community had no part in all of that. And the children had no choice in coming here. That is why in normal societies, the parents are responsible for children and their well being until they reach a certain age of maturity. Anything before that age, most societies will hold the parents accountable for the actions of the children and/or the decisions that they make because they are not mature enough to handle adult responsibilities.
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I think the community played a role in encouraging (or at least not discouraging) the decisions the people made that turned them into parents. Then the community tacitly approves the situation by extending public assistance indefinitely, thus perpetuating the situation from one generation to the next. At some point the community could simply say, these are your kids to take care of and we aren't paying for them any longer. Until that happens, the community is asking to be involved.
 
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YorkVol said:
I think the community played a role in encouraging (or at least not discouraging) the decisions the people made that turned them into parents. Then the community tacitly approves the situation by extending public assistance indefinitely, thus perpetuating the situation from one generation to the next. At some point the community could simply say, these are your kids to take care of and we aren't paying for them any longer. Until that happens, the community is asking to be involved.
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:crazy:
 
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Wonder if she thinks men should not have to pay child support. An it's the communities job to support the mom.
 
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