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#576
#576
Seems like everyone around the world is realizing that The Cold War is over except for one country.
 
#579
#579
On a serious note, from what I've read the overwhelming majority of Taiwanese support either keeping the status quo regarding Taiwan's sovereignty or completely becoming independent (which it is in reality already; the PRC just keeps the international community from treating Taiwan as such).

As I understand, Taiwan's declaration of independence and move towards full international integration and recognition would trigger a Chinese military response, or at least the PRC claims.

The PRC sounds like a really cooperative bunch.
 
#580
#580
The war was actually fought and won back in 2000 when Taiwanese firms were allowed to open factories in the mainland. It was a quiet war the main action coming from the Taiwanese. Taiwan was producing an enormous amount of goods for world consumption but when they found they could make an extra buck producing in China, a country where language was not a problem, they could not resist. Once one company moved all of his competitors soon followed. China did not try to resist or reduce this tremendous unpublicized flow and in fact took great measures to encourage and assist with property rights, low interest loans, ect, etc. China also became the place for retired Taiwanese to move and enjoy the lower cost of living. Once the avalanche started it could not be stopped. Now the majority of Taiwanese goods are manufactured in China, meaning the majority of their assets/cash are in the mainland and most of their older relatives live there. All China needs to do is nationalize these assets and they Taiwan would be bankrupt. There will never be armed conflict, just not necessary.
 
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#581
#581
Time to buy!

China Stocks Enter Bull Market as State Stimulus Reverses Rout

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#584
#584
telling

Last year, Xi said that the basis for any discussion must be "one country, two systems" — the formula for Hong Kong's return to Chinese rule in 1997.

For many Taiwanese, that is a non-starter. Nowhere has the progress of the Hong Kong deal been more closely followed than Taiwan.

The level of Taiwanese support for reunification dropped considerably after the giant street demonstrations in Hong Kong last year over Beijing's refusal to keep a promise of more democratic elections.
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#586
volprof said:
As with everything in life, it's the US's fault.
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I would not be shocked if something happened within the next decade, but I am saying that if something does happen, more than likely the people of Taiwan will not be happy with it.
 
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#587
LouderVol said:
I would not be shocked if something happened within the next decade, but I am saying that if something does happen, more than likely the people of Taiwan will not be happy with it.
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Are you referring to a reunification?
 
#589
#589
LouderVol said:
yeah

or at least a closer merger. though i am not sure how much closer they can get
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If Tsai and the DPP win the election, as they're forecast, then this conversation will be put on hold for quite a while, although I'd expect to see increased Chinese attempts at pressuring Taiwan into submission, particularly economically.

The Taiwanese people should choose to do what they like, including rejoining the mainland. They just need to be sure that it's the right move for them, and I don't think it is. The fortunes of Hong Kong are already proving that, as the excerpt above gives further proof.

Once you get that taste of Western liberalism in your mouth, it's hard to spit it back out.

Of course the ideal thing would be for the CCP to go the way of the dinosaur. It would solve many regional problems, possibly even the North Korean one, since the Kim regime would lose its primary benefactor and enabler.

I'm not holding my breath though. For whatever reasons, the CCP has had much more life and versatility in them than analysts previously thought.
 
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#590
#590
Miss Universe, but still.

Miss Kowtow 2015

In fact, one — Miss Canada, Anastasia Lin — has yet to receive a visa from the Chinese government, apparently in retribution for her discussion of human rights when she was crowned in Vancouver. Ms. Lin is still trying to gain permission to take her rightful place in the contest, but her prospects are looking increasingly doubtful.
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#591
IPleadInsanity said:
The war was actually fought and won back in 2000 when Taiwanese firms were allowed to open factories in the mainland. It was a quiet war the main action coming from the Taiwanese. Taiwan was producing an enormous amount of goods for world consumption but when they found they could make an extra buck producing in China, a country where language was not a problem, they could not resist. Once one company moved all of his competitors soon followed. China did not try to resist or reduce this tremendous unpublicized flow and in fact took great measures to encourage and assist with property rights, low interest loans, ect, etc. China also became the place for retired Taiwanese to move and enjoy the lower cost of living. Once the avalanche started it could not be stopped. Now the majority of Taiwanese goods are manufactured in China, meaning the majority of their assets/cash are in the mainland and most of their older relatives live there. All China needs to do is nationalize these assets and they Taiwan would be bankrupt. There will never be armed conflict, just not necessary.
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Interesting...
 
#592
#592
Leading GOP candidate thinks the Chinese are in Syria.

It's like we're not even trying anymore.
 
#595
#595
Yesterday apparent campaign spokesperson/"Business Manager" Armstrong Williams was on MSNBC explaining that "our intelligence" is telling them this. So it must be true.
 
#598
#598
again I confess a lack of understanding of how large scale economics work; but I wonder how much, if at all, this played a part of the crash. China's biggest brokerage Citic in $166bn error - BBC News

China's biggest brokerage, Citic Securities, overstated its derivative business by $166bn (£110bn) from April to September, according to the country's securities association.
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lots of cases of fraud, isider trading and other bad business going on. not a healthy environment to grow in.
 
#599
#599
continued problems with forced ethnic integration. Chinese forces 'used flamethrowers' in Xinjiang operation - BBC News

Earlier this month, RFA said 17 suspects from three families, including women and children, had been killed in the police operation in response to the mine attack.
China says "foreign terrorists" are behind the violence in the region. Hundreds of people have died in attacks over the past three years.
Ethnic Uighurs, who are mostly Muslim, say Beijing's repression of their religious and cultural customs is provoking the violence.
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LouderVol said:
continued problems with forced ethnic integration. Chinese forces 'used flamethrowers' in Xinjiang operation - BBC News
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It rarely comes to global attention, because the world is typically too busy looking for the next police shooting in America for which it can judge and condemn the US, but China has a huge problem with its ethnic minorities. Even George Wallace and Bull Connor would think they need to lighten up a bit.

Fortunately for the CCP and its private military, known as the People's Liberation Army, China has so few minorities it doesn't present a grave threat, at least not at the moment.
 
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