China Thread

bull hockey. theres the 9 dash line memo. but China itself over rode that when they signed the international laws recognizing 12 miles as national waters, and that only real islands (not reefs covered in concrete) can count as claimed territory. again China is breaking the very laws it helped write.

and really you are going to use the name of the body of water as reasoning? India better start kicking some mofos out of their ocean then. Does Atlantic City own the Atlantic Ocean?


This...the name of the body of water means nothing. They could all be renamed the US ocean ...only 12 miles off the coast of our country belongs to us...Russia could park an aircraft carrier, if they had one they would make it across the atlantic...15 miles off the coast of NYC and it is perfectly legal. International law and whatnot .
 
Still waiting on this network of foreign miltary bases that China possesses? Supposedly comparable to ours?
 
Still waiting on this network of foreign miltary bases that China possesses? Supposedly comparable to ours?

no one said comparable. but heres a little snap shot. trying to use Chinese sources here.

military-base.jpg


and I can't stand them but here's a youtube video talking about their expansion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGNMuWSbyGI
 
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Its amazing what you can get accomplished if you are a country like China that is going around the world making mutually beneficial economic agreements with other countries vs the US gunboat diplomacy of sinking people into bankster debt or "liberating" them with a color revolution...

It's amazing how many Chinese restaurants here is the US.. Hidden agenda
 
The US press does a really poor job reporting on news from China. Today it is all about the Chinese government persecuting christians. If you have lived there for any amount of time you know its not about religion with the Chinese government, its about organization. they will violently oppose any organized group and both Mary Kay and Christianity will be broken down in the same manner. Why they want want to portray it the persecution of a specific group I don't understand, agenda I guess.
 
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How the American Neoconservatives Destroyed Mankind?s Hopes for Peace

When Ronald Reagan turned his back on the neoconservatives, fired them, and had some of them prosecuted, his administration was free of their evil influence, and President Reagan negotiated the end of the Cold War with Soviet President Gorbachev.

The military/security complex, the CIA, and the neocons were very much against ending the Cold War as their budgets, power, and ideology were threatened by the prospect of peace between the two nuclear superpowers.
I know about this, because I was part of it. I helped Reagan create the economic base for bringing the threat of a new arms race to a failing Soviet economy in order to pressure the Soviets into agreement to end the Cold War, and I was appointed to a secret presidential committee with subpeona power over the CIA. The secret committee was authorized by President Reagan to evaluate the CIA's claim that the Soviets would prevail in an arms race. The secret committee concluded that this was the CIA's way of perpetuting the Cold War and the CIA's importance.

The corrupt Clintons, for whom the accumulation of riches seems to be their main purpose in life, violated the assurances given by the United States that had ended the Cold War. The two puppet presidents-George W. Bush and Obama-who followed the Clintons lost control of the US government to the neocons, who promptly restarted the Cold War, believing in their hubris and arrogance that History has chosen the US to exercise hegemony over the world.

The consequence of this crazed insanity was to create an economic and military strategic alliance between Russia and China. Without the neocons' arrogant policy, this alliance would not exist. It was a decade ago that I began writing about the strategic alliance between Russia and China that is a response to the neocon claim of US world hegemony.
 
Neoconservative foreign policy sucks. No one is going to argue with you, or even the infallible Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, about that.
 
China has denied a US aircraft carrier entry to Hong Kong. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised this is even still a thing. Apparently it won't be anymore.
 
They are not islands, they are not national territory or waters by the law that China helped write and we didn't. by their own law they have no right to keep anyone out.
 
US slaps China steel imports with fivefold tax increase - BBC News

Increasing tariff on Chinese steel. apparently just one type of steel that was less than 300 million US sales.
Last year, China's exports of cold-rolled steel flat products to the US were valued at an estimated $272.3m (£188.5m).

more a political move, but we could see more. it will be interesting to see what this might do to China's failing steel industry.
 
but remember all of China's problems are the fault of the US, this has nothing to do with it.

But that demand has been severely hit by the current slowdown, leaving China with more steel than it needs. It produced more than 822 million tonnes of steel in 2014 and is expected to produce even more this year, yet projected demand for its steel in 2016 is only 672 million tonnes.
Chinese steel is therefore sold on the international market at extremely low prices - critics say it's sold at a loss. As a consequence, other countries' steel plants find it increasingly hard to compete.
 
but remember all of China's problems are the fault of the US, this has nothing to do with it.

The Chinese and the Russians worry me, not so much because they're irrational (they're very rational, as opposed to perhaps a Lil' Kim, who is rational but an egoist foremost), but because there may be a point at which they deem their declining states bad enough to risk doing something just dumb enough to cause a war, thinking that they can get away with it. Whether it be an improper aerial maneuver of one of their pilots, a seizure of a Vietnamese, Japanese, or Filipino island, or an attempt at creating insurrection in the Baltics.

The critics have had the Thucydides' equation, as it applies to the three biggest great powers today, wrong this entire time. I've even participated in it, casually labeling China and Russia "rising powers" from time to time, while marking the US's power (relative to the rest of the world) as in decline, although that was merely just to denote the most current state of affairs (not the historical long view). The fact of the matter is, however, that the US is still the power on the rise/established power, while the Russians are on their way out ultimately. The Chinese will kick around for decades to come and will always be a great power (one can't help but be when you have nearly 20 percent of the world's population) but China's power (relative to its surroundings and to the world) will never be what it was in its golden ages - not unless it ever fundamentally reforms, which there is no sign of on the horizon.

It is the threat to their historical power and their respective societies' senses of exceptionalism that may produce conflict. Not the threat to ours.
 
Speaking of China, there has been a new study/index I've recently found that I've been meaning to share but keep forgetting. It regards the value of the American and Chinese economies.

In "The Once and Future Superpower: Why China Won't Overtake the United States," appearing in the latest issue of Foreign Affairs, the authors mention a new index that is used to appreciate a country's value, rather than the standard GDP index, which, the authors claim, is now largely antiquated. The authors claim that GDP gives an inflated sense of China's worth, while the UN's new "inclusive wealth" index represents economists' best attempt at assessing a nation's wealth and value. According to the UN, it counts the following three stocks:

"1. Manufactured capital (roads, buildings, machines, and equipment)
2. Human capital (skills, education, health)
3. Natural capital (sub-soil resources, ecosystems, the atmosphere"

Long story short, when you process these numbers through these valuations, the US's inclusive wealth is roughly $144 trillion, while China's is only $32 trillion. That's a long stretch from the GPP and Nominal GDP indices to which we're more accustomed.

That's interesting though, because this index seems to assess a country more like a piece of real estate, rather than simply upon its output or the value of its money within its own system. In other words, how much wealth, or wealth potential, will this nation produce for me long-term? It's kind of like asking which is the best investment for a long-term portfolio. According to the apparent figures, the answer isn't even remotely difficult.
 
Chinese jets intercept U.S. military plane over South China Sea: Pentagon | Reuters

Two Chinese fighter jets carried out an "unsafe" intercept of a U.S. military reconnaissance aircraft over the South China Sea, the Pentagon said on Wednesday, drawing a rebuke from Beijing, which demanded that Washington end surveillance near China.

China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said the U.S. statement was "not true" and that the aircraft had been engaging in reconnaissance close to China's island province of Hainan.

"It must be pointed out that U.S. military planes frequently carry out reconnaissance in Chinese coastal waters, seriously endangering Chinese maritime security," Hong told reporters at a regular press briefing on Thursday.

"We demand that the United States immediately cease this type of close reconnaissance activity to avoid having this sort of incident happening again," Hong said, adding that the actions of the Chinese aircraft were "completely in keeping with safety and professional standards".

Last month, the Pentagon said that Russia had intercepted a U.S. Air Force aircraft over the Baltic Sea in an "unsafe and unprofessional" way.
 
why would anybody be interested in the South China Sea

The intercept occurred days before President Barack Obama travels to parts of Asia from May 21-28, including a Group of Seven summit in Japan and his first trip to Vietnam.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei have overlapping claims.
its such a back water.

dear God, are we really worried about China passing us when their military uses faxes?
China's Defense Ministry said in a fax that it was looking into reports on the incident

and China certainly never pulls any political gamemanship
In 2015, the United States and China announced agreements on a military hotline and rules of behavior to govern air-to-air encounters called the Code for Unplanned Encounters at Sea (CUES).

"This is exactly the type of irresponsible and dangerous intercepts that the air-to-air annex to CUES is supposed to prevent," said Greg Poling, director of the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think-tank.

Poling said either some part of China's airforce "hadn't gotten the message", or it was meant as a signal of displeasure with recent U.S. freedom of navigation actions in the South China Sea.

"If the latter, it would be very disappointing to find China sacrificing the CUES annex for political gamesmanship."

i like how when presenting the "other side" you conveniently leave out the rest of the article.
 
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