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Odds Trump brought up Hong Kong?

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Hong Kong is none of Trumps business. Hong Kong is part of China. It would be like Xi wanting to discuss sanctuary cities before the trade agreement meeting.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Hong Kong is none of Trumps business. Hong Kong is part of China. It would be like Xi wanting to discuss sanctuary cities before the trade agreement meeting.
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It was reported that Pence was going to give a harsh speech on the Tienanmen Square anniversary. Is that our business?
 
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LouderVol said:
Not quiet, but yeah I wouldn't get too much into it.
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They protested hard in 2014 but could not maintain. 76 days were not enough. Their Democratic right to vote for the leader of Hong Kong was a critical point in the process, and they ended up losing. I thought they pleaded their case well and strong support was shown but without guns the Chinese just waited them out. Now they will be taking dissidents to Beijing for trial, bypassing the HK court system. That will make it even more difficult to disagree with the Chinese government. Piece by piece they are becoming just another Chinese city, which is their greatest fear.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
They protested hard in 2014 but could not maintain. 76 days were not enough. Their Democratic right to vote for the leader of Hong Kong was a critical point in the process, and they ended up losing. I thought they pleaded their case well and strong support was shown but without guns the Chinese just waited them out. Now they will be taking dissidents to Beijing for trial, bypassing the HK court system. That will make it even more difficult to disagree with the Chinese government. Piece by piece they are becoming just another Chinese city, which is their greatest fear.
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Which was my point. They are an unwilling part of China.
 
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LouderVol said:
Which was my point. They are an unwilling part of China.
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I was focusing more on the fact they have no weapons. Even being highly organized and a large percentage of the population marching in protest for long periods of time, they don't stand a chance against the government.

Insert weapons and its a much different story.
 
#1,016
#1,016
If they don't get this reversed there will never be dissension from Hong Kong again. Disinters will simple disappear during the night never to be heard from again. I think they realize this is their last stand.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Odds these Hong Kong protests end in a rough crack down?

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It’s definitely concerning. I’m afraid if the people push too far, China will use it as an excuse to permanently “resolve” the situation. But they can’t do nothing, either.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
If they don't get this reversed there will never be dissension from Hong Kong again. Disinters will simple disappear during the night never to be heard from again. I think they realize this is their last stand.
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It's not been passed, right? Just proposed.
 
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Velo Vol said:
You don't see a lot of demonstrations over gridlock.
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This government system was designed around compromise. What happens to it when Republicans are all over the map and Democrats vote in singularity supported by a biased media with zero compromise for a long period of time? The long term politicians have their fingers on the scales and don't intend to change anytime soon. Eventually they will have to be dealt with and more sooner than later.
 
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President Trump Has China Over a Barrel


DECLASSIFIED - The Epoch Times

Published on Jul 2, 2019
President Trump has his Chinese counterparts right where he wants them. It’s an uncomfortable position for the Chinese, who have for all intents and purposes been “running the table” when it came to both Democrat and Republican administrations of the past 30 years.

While the President’s meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the G20 Summit in Japan didn’t produce a final agreement, it did expose the fundamental weakness of China’s position, enabling Trump to re-open the stalled negotiations. The magnanimous gesture will likely give America an edge in the next round of talks.

 
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IPleadInsanity said:
This government system was designed around compromise. What happens to it when Republicans are all over the map and Democrats vote in singularity supported by a biased media with zero compromise for a long period of time? The long term politicians have their fingers on the scales and don't intend to change anytime soon. Eventually they will have to be dealt with and more sooner than later.
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When the government was designed there wasn't the party system we had today. The government was designed to have a lot of friction in it, rather than to be efficient (why two legislative bodies)?

P.S. The Democratic party is no more unified than the Republicans. Generally they are less so.
 
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