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Not when it's manipulated. However, in your defense a big portion of our global trade problems have a lot to do with manipulated labor rates here in the US. Unions and government complicity have driven our labor rates to the point we are uncompetitive with the rest of the world. You simply cannot fight low standards of living that permit low wages elsewhere, uncompetitive business tax rates at home, government that props up labor rates by various mechanisms, government subsidies elsewhere, and be competitive in global trade - that's without even touching on the shambles we've made of education and work ethic. It's like building a mansion in a lower middle class neighborhood and expecting it to sell for the same as it would in a very upscale elite neighborhood.

We played this same game with the Japanese over the years, and it led to a logical conclusion. The Japanese economy did much the same that ours did when some semblance of sanity still prevailed, and they've become less competitive from a manufacturing standpoint because the standard of living blossomed. It's interesting to study higher end Japanese audio equipment. Home market stuff is better and built for Japan in Japan; the export stuff is built in places like China - the Japanese still expect and demand quality. China is about manipulated trade, income for the communist party running the place (the military to a great extent), and theft of any idea, design, or manufacturing concept they can get their hands on. What's really amazing is that our liberals rave about the environment and turn a blind eye to China; when you don't have environmental regulations preventing rape of the environment, costs tumble. Top corporate levels are happy as pigs in slop with globalism; in the short term they can make out like bandits selling tons of cheap goods to people expecting the quality and prices they used to pay for better stuff.

This is really complicated stuff that I cannot comprehend. Litteral policy papers can not even come to the same conclusion, but I am tired of the topic being so superficial,
I see trillions being spent on Pac Rim defense, but see elected policy say otherwise. Seems like a Vietnam War syndrome all over again.
 
Not when it's manipulated. However, in your defense a big portion of our global trade problems have a lot to do with manipulated labor rates here in the US. Unions and government complicity have driven our labor rates to the point we are uncompetitive with the rest of the world. You simply cannot fight low standards of living that permit low wages elsewhere, uncompetitive business tax rates at home, government that props up labor rates by various mechanisms, government subsidies elsewhere, and be competitive in global trade - that's without even touching on the shambles we've made of education and work ethic. It's like building a mansion in a lower middle class neighborhood and expecting it to sell for the same as it would in a very upscale elite neighborhood.

We played this same game with the Japanese over the years, and it led to a logical conclusion. The Japanese economy did much the same that ours did when some semblance of sanity still prevailed, and they've become less competitive from a manufacturing standpoint because the standard of living blossomed. It's interesting to study higher end Japanese audio equipment. Home market stuff is better and built for Japan in Japan; the export stuff is built in places like China - the Japanese still expect and demand quality. China is about manipulated trade, income for the communist party running the place (the military to a great extent), and theft of any idea, design, or manufacturing concept they can get their hands on. What's really amazing is that our liberals rave about the environment and turn a blind eye to China; when you don't have environmental regulations preventing rape of the environment, costs tumble. Top corporate levels are happy as pigs in slop with globalism; in the short term they can make out like bandits selling tons of cheap goods to people expecting the quality and prices they used to pay for better stuff.
So the US pays workers too much, and China doesn't pay them enough.

What's the proper amount? $7/hour?
 
So the US pays workers too much, and China doesn't pay them enough.

What's the proper amount? $7/hour?

You'll never find out as long as our government is subsidizing people not to work and setting minimum wages. You have to let people feel the pinch before they decide how little they will accept as a wage. If you consider globalism to its limits, then you have to accept that the US income levels and standard of living would decrease dramatically and most other countries would rise. Corruption and communism in many third world countries will always ensure that benefits are unevenly distributed, and the elite in those countries will be the winners ... a globalism equality bonus spread among a few thousand elite goes a lot farther than when shared by millions of workers.
 
Yesterday on Bloomberg I heard a guy talking about this. It's a metric one doesn't hear as much about as military or GDP. But in the information age, it's important, too. I think he was including domestic data when discussing China's advantage. Either way, it's growing.

China rises as world's data superpower as internet fractures


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You get the feeling that newer generations see the military as another government bureaucracy disconnected from national security. During the Viet Nam war the ratio was 17 support troops to 1 person in combat. It hasn't improved. As the complexity of military hardware increases, the need for maintenance and logistics and staffing increases. As a lot of people settle in to the new comfy bureaucracy, become woke, and more "civil", can the military find it's way into battle with a will to win or will those men and women in actual combat positions put too much burden on those who "support" them.
 
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I see no way we can win this Cold War, instead of inspiring and challenging our youth to rise to the occasion we are making excuses for personal failures and fostering division among them.

Current leadership in America is absolutely incapable of inspiring the country to come together and LEAD. Whether they be Democrat or Republican the country absolutely MUST elect someone with the strength, charisma and decisiveness to lead is into the peak of these hostilities.
 
And those 40 groups can kick rocks. Read that letter those "progressive" groups signed off on. It was a love letter to the CCP. It was absolutely absurd and frankly despicable. I know the Biden admin is not popular on here, but they came out with sanctions on companies after those assholes sent their letter, explicitly for human rights violations.
EXCLUSIVE U.S. set to add more Chinese companies to blacklist over Xinjiang
It's all about having the right balance.
 
And those 40 groups can kick rocks. Read that letter those "progressive" groups signed off on. It was a love letter to the CCP. It was absolutely absurd and frankly despicable. I know the Biden admin is not popular on here, but they came out with sanctions on companies after those assholes sent their letter, explicitly for human rights violations.
EXCLUSIVE U.S. set to add more Chinese companies to blacklist over Xinjiang
Their sanctions should be real and against large corps, including US ones, using slave labor. They won't be though
 
What does "winning" mean?
Not getting crunched.

Edit to add: We've put ourselves in a very deep hole. Our obsession with cheap crap had allowed them to corner other global production as well. Time and again we have failed to position ourselves strategically with a long term vision. A failure decades in the making.
 
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It's all about having the right balance.
Yes, but not at the expense of American based groups basically shilling for the CCP and saying "**** them, we got ours". It is disgusting and an affront to everything liberals should hold dear. At least it should be. To turn a blind eye to the authoritarian nonsense in Hong Kong and actual death camps for Uighurs is disgusting.
 
Yes, but not at the expense of American based groups basically shilling for the CCP and saying "**** them, we got ours". It is disgusting and an affront to everything liberals should hold dear. At least it should be. To turn a blind eye to the authoritarian nonsense in Hong Kong and actual death camps for Uighurs is disgusting.
Right. I'm for engaging on the environment, but it doesn't trump human rights.
 
Yes, but not at the expense of American based groups basically shilling for the CCP and saying "**** them, we got ours". It is disgusting and an affront to everything liberals should hold dear. At least it should be. To turn a blind eye to the authoritarian nonsense in Hong Kong and actual death camps for Uighurs is disgusting.

Glad to see someone saying it. All of America, both sides, need to call out and act against China.
 

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