China Thread

[Velo Vol]

Not getting crunched.

Edit to add: We've put ourselves in a very deep hole. Our obsession with cheap crap had allowed them to corner other global production as well. Time and again we have failed to position ourselves strategically with a long term vision. A failure decades in the making.

We don't get "crunched" (whatever that means) by buying Chinese shoes.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No one was told they couldn't spew their nonsense. Crap like what you are spewing is what pushes folks to grifter hacks.

LOL so that's how we ended up with Dementia and the Ho...

 

[zeppelin128]

I'm sure those being enslaved or killed are cool with gradually tapering off the number of Lebron 18's they're forced to make

They sure are fast to demonize and pull down all the Confederate statues though. First steps right?

Are you being a c***, or just ignoring every thing I just said? Or both?

 

[utvolpj]

Are you being a c***, or just ignoring every thing I just said? Or both?

You're quite pissy today. You said first steps as if gradually condemning companies for being complicit in genocide and slavery was something to be lauded. They also fail to condemn some of the biggest US companies who also benefit. I just fine it interesting since they seem to have no issue condemning my great-great-great grandfather because he lived in the south and was white (he also lost a leg fighting for the north but he was still white)

 

[KB5252]

We don't get "crunched" (whatever that means) by buying Chinese shoes.

No, they just use the profits to build their military and threaten US interests and allies.

 

[hog88]

We don't get "crunched" (whatever that means) by buying Chinese shoes.

Yeah we do.

 

[zeppelin128]

You're quite pissy today. You said first steps as if gradually condemning companies for being complicit in genocide and slavery was something to be lauded. They also fail to condemn some of the biggest US companies who also benefit. I just fine it interesting since they seem to have no issue condemning my great-great-great grandfather because he lived in the south and was white (he also lost a leg fighting for the north but he was still white)

Are you of the "burn it down" variety? I really would like you to show where I went out of my way to support the abhorrent practice in Hong Kong and with Uighurs.

 

[utvolpj]

Are you of the "burn it down" variety? I really would like you to show where I went out of my way to support the abhorrent practice in Hong Kong and with Uighurs.

I didn't say you did. I said this admin conventionally ignores it wrt their corporate sponsors.

And yes, I'm in favor of a complete ban on import or sale of items produced by what is clearly identified as slave labor. Based on the past year I would think more would be in that group as well

 

[zeppelin128]

Hmm

 

[Velo Vol]

And yes, I'm in favor of a complete ban on import or sale of items produced by what is clearly identified as slave labor. Based on the past year I would think more would be in that group as well

Definition?

 

[utvolpj]

Definition?

Prison labor, sending minorities to labor camps to work, etc. They even use it in cotton fields if we need the parallel to be clearer

 

[Velo Vol]

Prison labor, sending minorities to labor camps to work, etc. They even use it in cotton fields if we need the parallel to be clearer

Are such goods easily traceable as such?

 

[VolStrom]

I watch this guys YouTube channel and thought this video rant was interesting and very true in a lot of respects.

 

[utvolpj]

Are such goods easily traceable as such?

Absolutely unless you believe these huge corps have no control over their supply chain. I know we get visits from customers all the time . The Chinese simply don't care and neither do global stockholders

 

[AM64]

And those 40 groups can kick rocks. Read that letter those "progressive" groups signed off on. It was a love letter to the CCP. It was absolutely absurd and frankly despicable. I know the Biden admin is not popular on here, but they came out with sanctions on companies after those assholes sent their letter, explicitly for human rights violations.
EXCLUSIVE U.S. set to add more Chinese companies to blacklist over Xinjiang

The only positive I've really seen come from the biden organization is a hint that they might go on a very limited anti-monopoly run. And that's just a hint, but I feel pretty certain it will go away once silly season seriously rolls around and dems start fishing for campaign dollars.

 

[AM64]

I see no way we can win this Cold War, instead of inspiring and challenging our youth to rise to the occasion we are making excuses for personal failures and fostering division among them.

Current leadership in America is absolutely incapable of inspiring the country to come together and LEAD. Whether they be Democrat or Republican the country absolutely MUST elect someone with the strength, charisma and decisiveness to lead is into the peak of these hostilities.

Trump was the boor that kicked over some sacred rock piles. The owners of the piles zeroed in on the boor mentality to preserve their piles from an "out of control" outsider - to them he was a bigger PITA than the norm.

 

[AM64]

Not getting crunched.

Edit to add: We've put ourselves in a very deep hole. Our obsession with cheap crap had allowed them to corner other global production as well. Time and again we have failed to position ourselves strategically with a long term vision. A failure decades in the making.

Driving up wages isn't going to help either. Face it, we are a country with a labor problem - overpriced, noncompetitive, and with a piss poor work ethic for the most part. Unions largely with government collusion, and government itself have set the tone. We're in no position to rebuild a manufacturing base and retrain an industrial workforce that dems thought should go to college and learn things that don't involve manual labor. We are the Maynard G Krebs of the world coasting on what earlier generations did.

 

[AM64]

Are such goods easily traceable as such?

No. So just turn it all off. But that's like going cold turkey to an addict, and we are addicted to Chinese junk.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I didn't say you did. I said this admin conventionally ignores it wrt their corporate sponsors.

And yes, I'm in favor of a complete ban on import or sale of items produced by what is clearly identified as slave labor. Based on the past year I would think more would be in that group as well

So were you against Trump's tariffs?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Are such goods easily traceable as such?

Nike says hi. Apple says hi.

 

[Orangeburst]

No. So just turn it all off. But that's like going cold turkey to an addict, and we are addicted to Chinese junk.

Whined about tarrifs when it was making progress in corporations moving out and inflation was not even a blip. All that talk about higher consumer costs was buggery.
As far as I am concerned, we need it, build it here. Now that is wage growth I could support. We need 100M shoes, make them here.

 

[AshG]

Driving up wages isn't going to help either. Face it, we are a country with a labor problem - overpriced, noncompetitive, and with a piss poor work ethic for the most part. Unions largely with government collusion, and government itself have set the tone. We're in no position to rebuild a manufacturing base and retrain an industrial workforce that dems thought should go to college and learn things that don't involve manual labor. We are the Maynard G Krebs of the world coasting on what earlier generations did.

It was actually the Republicans behind the push to send everyone to college as part of the space race with Russia.

Also, if we focus on pittance wage jobs we're going to have to lower the prices on things workers need to live, like housing and transportation and food. The American Manufacturing Machine was at its best when a single worker could keep a family of four housed and fed.

 

[AshG]

Oh yeah, and pensions. The American Manufacturing Machine had pensions.

 

[utvolpj]

So were you against Trump's tariffs?

Yes and they aren't for the same reasons. This is slavery and genocide for cheap sneakers

 

[Orangeburst]

It was actually the Republicans behind the push to send everyone to college as part of the space race with Russia.

Also, if we focus on pittance wage jobs we're going to have to lower the prices on things workers need to live, like housing and transportation and food. The American Manufacturing Machine was at its best when a single worker could keep a family of four housed and fed.

We need STEM, not business, lawyers and liberal art majors