China Thread

[AshG]

We need STEM, not business, lawyers and liberal art majors

As a liberal arts professor, I'm going to agree with you completely.

 

[hog88]

It was actually the Republicans behind the push to send everyone to college as part of the space race with Russia.

Also, if we focus on pittance wage jobs we're going to have to lower the prices on things workers need to live, like housing and transportation and food. The American Manufacturing Machine was at its best when a single worker could keep a family of four housed and fed.

No, the SCOTUS ruling in the Griggs v Duke Power is what led to the "everyone to college" movement.

 

[hog88]

Oh yeah, and pensions. The American Manufacturing Machine had pensions.

Pensions went the way of the Dodo bird in the private sector.

 

[AshG]

Pensions went the way of the Dodo bird in the private sector.

Yes, thank you shareholder capitalism.

 

[KB5252]

It was actually the Republicans behind the push to send everyone to college as part of the space race with Russia.

Also, if we focus on pittance wage jobs we're going to have to lower the prices on things workers need to live, like housing and transportation and food. The American Manufacturing Machine was at its best when a single worker could keep a family of four housed and fed.

As was American society as a whole.

 

[Orangeburst]

As a liberal arts professor, I'm going to agree with you completely.

Even myself..Poly Sci Major. Worthless really but decades ago it was to show you could learn. Took the long road, "old school" and made almost nothing for years as I learned on the job and progressed. Graduate engineers went into inside position for one year to learn product and out to the field they went.
Today you have liberal arts majors "needing" to earn big money early to pay off those loans. Quite a connumdrum.
Frankly college costs are ridiculous and professor salaries should be weighed to what the student could expect to make. I am sure it does to some degree. No way someone should spend 250K to make modest expected income

 

[508mikey]

Lockdowns in Asia as some nations see 1st major virus surges

 

[hog88]

Yes, thank you shareholder capitalism.

Terrible term you are using, it sounds like you are blaming investors for wanting a return. A better label it is "retail investor fever" which has led to the "you're only as good as your last quarter" mentality.

 

[AshG]

Even myself..Poly Sci Major. Worthless really but decades ago it was to show you could learn. Took the long road, "old school" and made almost nothing for years as I learned on the job and progressed. Graduate engineers went into inside position for one year to learn product and out to the field they went.
Today you have liberal arts majors "needing" to earn big money early to pay off those loans. Quite a connumdrum.
Frankly college costs are ridiculous and professor salaries should be weighed to what the student could expect to make. I am sure it does to some degree. No way someone should spend 250K to make modest expected income

As a liberal arts professor, I make far less than a comparable position in a School of Business or a College of Engineering. I actually make (far) less than I would as a public school band director but the tradeoffs are worth it.

I give my incoming freshmen a compassionate hell in hopes to wake them up. So many come into my classrooms as music majors because they had fun in band/choir/orchestra and don't know what else to do. I want to save them time and trouble and money.

More people need to go to community college first to sort themselves out.

 

[AshG]

Terrible term you are using, it sounds like you are blaming investors for wanting a return. A better label it is "retail investor fever" which has led to the "you're only as good as your last quarter" mentality.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of it that way. I like yours better.

 

[Velo Vol]

Absolutely unless you believe these huge corps have no control over their supply chain. I know we get visits from customers all the time . The Chinese simply don't care and neither do global stockholders

If it is there should be more transparency. Without further research, I have no idea what they are.

As a liberal arts professor, I'm going to agree with you completely.

What field?

 

[Orangeburst]

As a liberal arts professor, I make far less than a comparable position in a School of Business or a College of Engineering. I actually make (far) less than I would as a public school band director but the tradeoffs are worth it.

I give my incoming freshmen a compassionate hell in hopes to wake them up. So many come into my classrooms as music majors because they had fun in band/choir/orchestra and don't know what else to do. I want to save them time and trouble and money.

More people need to go to community college first to sort themselves out.

Great...CC is something I can really get behind. Practical applied learning without any courses to "rounding" oneself.
You think I remember much about my Major that can be applied in the real world, even politics on here I have to get remined about topics I learned but forgotten. And the VN Politics forum knowledge dont pay the bills. Fun though.

 

[KB5252]

As a liberal arts professor, I make far less than a comparable position in a School of Business or a College of Engineering. I actually make (far) less than I would as a public school band director but the tradeoffs are worth it.

I give my incoming freshmen a compassionate hell in hopes to wake them up. So many come into my classrooms as music majors because they had fun in band/choir/orchestra and don't know what else to do. I want to save them time and trouble and money.

More people need to go to community college first to sort themselves out.

I wish I had gone to a trade school, university was out of the question for me for a number of reasons. I spent a number of years educating myself on subjects I found interesting. History and archaeology.

I'm a big proponent of vocational and trade schools for many if not most students. When the time comes I'll have the discussion with my daughter on her career path.

 

[AshG]

Great...CC is something I can really get behind. Practical applied learning without any courses to "rounding" oneself.
You think I remember much about my Major that can be applied in the real world, even politics on here I have to get remined about topics I learned but forgotten. And the VN Politics forum knowledge dont pay the bills. Fun though.

Having a well rounded education is important, and liberal arts/humanities classes lead to higher retention rates by students in more technical majors. One of the places I applied was the Milwaukee College of Engineering, to manage their music experience classes and ensembles.

 

[AshG]

I wish I had gone to a trade school, university was out of the question for me for a number of reasons. I spent a number of years educating myself on subjects I found interesting. History and archaeology.

I'm a big proponent of vocational and trade schools for many if not most students. When the time comes I'll have the discussion with my daughter on her career path.

At last blush, well over 40% of all four year college students started their journey in community colleges. In Mississippi, Texas, and California, community colleges are large enough they have their own dorms and football teams. Hines Community College outside of Jackson MS, has an annual enrollment of 21k+.

Florida and Texas have Common Course Numbering among all public institutions so you know without a doubt what will transfer and what won't.

Tennessee and many other Eastern states are behind the curve when it comes to the CC experience and I am exciting about where it is heading.

 

[Orangeburst]

I wish I had gone to a trade school, university was out of the question for me for a number of reasons. I spent a number of years educating myself on subjects I found interesting. History and archaeology.

I'm a big proponent of vocational and trade schools for many if not most students. When the time comes I'll have the discussion with my daughter on her career path.

Those topics can be learned via the internet these days on your own time, not paid. Frankly you learn them because you enjoy them. If something like history and such is ones passion, go for it. Just dont spend a fortune educating oneself for something that is not practical for ones living.

I am a proponent of online learning as well. No need for billion dollar campuses as far as I can tell. Be taught by the best in field online.

 

[AshG]

I am a proponent of online learning as well. No need for billion dollar campuses as far as I can tell. Be taught by the best in field online.

Please tell this to my students who complained heavily about the online portion of my classes last year. Most college age students thrive on face to face with their professors and tore the online component to shreds in the reviews. Not just for me, but across the board.

 

[Orangeburst]

Please tell this to my students who complained heavily about the online portion of my classes last year. Most college age students thrive on face to face with their professors and tore the online component to shreds in the reviews. Not just for me, but across the board.

Was this Zoom live or What was missing? Could they not ask questions or what?

 

[AshG]

Was this Zoom live or What was missing? Could they not ask questions or what?

Zoom, live, synchronous. They were definitely able to ask questions. As future classroom practitioners, they wanted to be able to physically interact and view situations from multiple physical angles.

 

[Orangeburst]

Zoom, live, synchronous. They were definitely able to ask questions. As future classroom practitioners, they wanted to be able to physically interact and view situations from multiple physical angles.

IOW....they wanted to view "skirts"

 

[AshG]

IOW....they wanted to view "skirts"

Considering most of my classes were women, well. You never know.

 

[Orangeburst]

Considering most of my classes were women, well. You never know.

LOL

 

[AM64]

No, the SCOTUS ruling in the Griggs v Duke Power is what led to the "everyone to college" movement.

That was an absolute killer - and in a way the harbinger of the woke generation - that you could make things about race or other issues and ignore fact - like job qualification, intelligence, and motivation. Basically it was the thought that managing a few years of college meant the person had some motivation (getting up without mom), some degree of intelligence, and it certainly provided a cultured corps of servers, retail clerks, and bureaucracy fodder. The worst part - most people never seem to know what prompted the big super HS push.

 

[hog88]

That was an absolute killer - and in a way the harbinger of the woke generation - that you could make things about race or other issues and ignore fact - like job qualification, intelligence, and motivation. Basically it was the thought that managing a few years of college meant the person had some motivation (getting up without mom), some degree of intelligence, and it certainly provided a cultured corps of servers, retail clerks, and bureaucracy fodder. The worst part - most people never seem to know what prompted the big super HS push.

It could be argued that was in the top 10 worst decisions ever.

 

[Orangeburst]

That was an absolute killer - and in a way the harbinger of the woke generation - that you could make things about race or other issues and ignore fact - like job qualification, intelligence, and motivation. Basically it was the thought that managing a few years of college meant the person had some motivation (getting up without mom), some degree of intelligence, and it certainly provided a cultured corps of servers, retail clerks, and bureaucracy fodder. The worst part - most people never seem to know what prompted the big super HS push.

I never heard of it myself.