Chinese spy balloon hovering over Montana

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BowlBrother85 said:
"It's pretty easy and pretty clear .... at least it should be to all Americans. The People's Republic of China executed an incredibly successful intelligence operation over the mainland of the United States, and conversely, the Biden Administration, committed an unprecedented national security blunder of incalculable damage ...."

That is hyperbolic partisanship from someone whose primary focus is on politics, rather than national security.
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Is it?

Your probably too young to remember how things were during the 70's and 80's but this **** would have had people resigning.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
While I can understand not wanting to shoot the Chinese Blob craft down over land, it should have been despite potential risks to the citizenry. Although Republiars would have found cause to wail like the three yrs old they are, about that too. A land shot, would have allowed easier retrieval of the hardware and whatever data it has. Now, for those claiming lack of photo evidence of Trump era balloons, while it seems odd, it's not surprising. The thing transverse Canada to get here. The Canucks didn't notice it. No photos of it, and talked about only after the USA detected it. All that said, I think it should have been brought down the moment it was projected to violate our skies. It baffles me to use a balloon when they have satellites with high resolution cameras that can do the job as well or better.
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I think I heard a brigadier general expert on television say their satellites are cloudy vs this type of surveillance. If that's the case then it's fairly easy to understand it seems.
 
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Weezer said:
No way in hell do I think Canada didn't notice a giant balloon flying in their airspace. FFS, IF by some chance NORAD wasn't tracking this thing well in advance, then our national security is more threatened than I realized. The politicians are playing on the rubes not understanding how this works. If it's in the air, NORAD is tracking it. This was not some "stealth" balloon with advanced technology that made it invisible to radar.
As for the claims this happened under Trump, where is the proof? Show me some actual proof and I'll believe it, otherwise, it screams like Democrats playing politics and deflecting. Trump had his own screw ups. This administration needs to stop deflecting and own their screw ups. This balloon should have been shot down while it was still over the Pacific. They have no problem calling it a "spy balloon", so they willingly put national security at risk by failing to take action sooner.
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Shooting down over the Pacific would be OK as long as you made sure it was within the twelve claimed parameter of your shore. As for the other stuff, think what you will, I'll do the same. Cause of us know for sure, maybe Clairol has it right, only our hairdresser knows for sure.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
You may be right. However, Xi * Co., may be looking at the self-destructive Murican vs. Murican stupidity in this country, so-called leaders in the circus we call Congress acting like clowns clambering to all be the ring master, I'd figure to see what I can do to encourage collapse. Create yet another point of contention among them. Take a cue from their playbook, and lie, lie, lie about it. Get the clowns to yet another vicious circle of finger-pointing, blaming. Instead of collaborating, on an effective response to the situation. Get them into YET another silly game of what's basically whack-a-Mole with each other. They might even divide the country regionally, and turn their nukes on each other. No more Murica. They figure we are that stupid, and we darn sure haven't done much to show they're wrong. In that context, the balloon might be a brilliant ploy.
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Of course they know this country is dysfunctional. This left turned this into a dangerous game. Self destruction.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I think I heard a brigadier general expert on television say their satellites are cloudy vs this type of surveillance. If that's the case then it's fairly easy to understand it seems.
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Makes sense. Cloudy cameras could also explain why their drones in Ukraine are so ineffective, and the Ruskies asked Iran for help.
 
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85SugarVol said:
What altitude do low orbit satellites traverse at? 250k feet?
How many layers of atmosphere are those satellites peering through?
Can you get better imaging 30 miles closer to an object on the ground?
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Bingo. This was discussed. Chinese satellites are not very good.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Of course they know this country is dysfunctional. This left turned this into a dangerous game. Self destruction.
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Left, Right, they're all guilty of being self-serving, lobbyists butt licking jackals, who don't really give a dayum about citizens beyond milking you for your vote and dollars. The very finger-pointing you use is why we're headed for self-destruction. Nobody wants to acknowledge their own part in it, just blame the other side.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Is it?

Your probably too young to remember how things were during the 70's and 80's but this **** would have had people resigning.
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That's funny .... because being that I am 49 years old, I do remember the Iran/Contra affair, which involved the Reagan Administration secretly facilitating the sale of arms to Iran, who was simultaneously the subject of an arms embargo as a state-sponsor of terrorism. When the arms sale to Iran began in 1981, they had just held American diplomats hostage in an embassy for more than a year. Did Ronald Reagan resign? Nope. How about Weinberger or Shultz? Nope and Nope.

That administration sold arms to a state-sponsor of terrorism who had just taken American diplomats hostage for f*** sake. Now, what's this $hit about a balloon?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's funny .... because being that I am 49 years old, I do remember the Iran/Contra affair, which involved the Reagan Administration secretly facilitating the sale of arms to Iran, who was simultaneously the subject of an arms embargo as a state-sponsor of terrorism. When the arms sale to Iran began in 1981, they had just held American diplomates hostage in an embassy for more than a year. Did Ronald Reagan resign? Nope. How about Weinberger or Shultz? Nope and Nope.

That administration sold arms to a state-sponsor of terrorism who had just taken American diplomats hostage for f*** sake. Now, what's this $hit about a balloon?
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Your way-back whataboutism machine is almost as good as Ras'.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Left, Right, they're all guilty of being self-serving, lobbyists butt licking jackals, who don't really give a dayum about citizens beyond milking you for your vote and dollars. The very finger-pointing you use is why we're headed for self-destruction. Nobody wants to acknowledge their own part in it, just blame the other side.
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Oh I agree but at some point you have to turn off the spigot of left wing policies driving us at warp speed to Marxism.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's funny .... because being that I am 49 years old, I do remember the Iran/Contra affair, which involved the Reagan Administration secretly facilitating the sale of arms to Iran, who was simultaneously the subject of an arms embargo as a state-sponsor of terrorism. When the arms sale to Iran began in 1981, they had just held American diplomates hostage in an embassy for more than a year. Did Ronald Reagan resign? Nope. How about Weinberger or Shultz? Nope and Nope.

That administration sold arms to a state-sponsor of terrorism who had just taken American diplomats hostage for f*** sake. Now, what's this $hit about a balloon?
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Wow you don't say? Well forgive me it's not your lack of years, it's your lack of awareness. Or maybe 49 years of weed brain rot. I can guarantee NORAD would have cared, and it would have been taken out well before it entered into US airspace if at all possible. They would know how important such an incursion was because we were doing the same thing. The main difference being is it would have been us launching most of the balloons (see Moby Dick program which was considered so important and sensitive it was held to same classification as hydrogen bomb program.) and the Soviets definitely would shoot them down when able. Iran having nothing to do with this discussion whatever....but given 20/20 hindsight and what Saddam became, I guess maybe it WAS a good idea to play them off one another.
 
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hog88 said:
Iran-Contra wasn't a blunder, it was a well executed conspiracy.
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I can't imagine the frogs that would rain down if a Democratic Party Administration ever sold arms to a state sponsor of terrorism, and then used the proceeds to fund a war in Nicaragua.

.... Oh, and by the way, that state sponsor of terrorism had recently seized our embassy and taken our diplomats hostage.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I can't imagine the frogs that would rain down if a Democratic Party Administration ever sold arms to a state sponsor of terrorism, and then used the proceeds to fund a war in Nicaragua.

.... Oh, and by the way, that state sponsor of terrorism had recently seized our embassy and taken our diplomats hostage.
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Umm, they did sell arms to sponsors of terrorism to fund a war. WTH do you think we were doing in Benghazi that led to the attack?

But to stay on topic, there is a difference between a blunder and a conspiracy so if the spy balloon wasn't a blunder are you saying it was a conspiracy?
 
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BreatheUT said:
Oh I agree but at some point you have to turn off the spigot of left wing policies driving us at warp speed to Marxism.
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And in addition to that, at some point you have to turn off the spigot of right wing policies driving us at warp speed to Nazism. Nobody is innocent in this mess, Breath, nobody. They all stand at one extreme or the other. Until that acknowledged and addressed that, they will just remain self-destructive.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
And in addition to that, at some point you have to turn off the spigot of right wing policies driving us at warp speed to Nazism. Nobody is innocent in this mess, Breath, nobody. They all stand at one extreme or the other. Until that acknowledged and addressed that, they will just remain self-destructive.
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What policy is that?
 
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