Chinese spy balloon hovering over Montana

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The CCP is ****ing America in the ass...yet oh my let's not mess with it. All I see is a war course
Knew it decades ago...Epic American FP failure by gov and corps just like Russia.
 
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Again, if balloons are making some of you clowns pizz in the bed, maybe you need to be one of the first in line to be screaming for peace and diplomacy..diplomacy... especially now that we see that can't easily bring down weather balloons, much less missiles or planes.
 
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ETV said:
The Chinese copy almost everything. Zero original ideas from that society. In my industry, their crane companies have copied almost every design that Liebherr or Manitowoc have produced. Fortunately for the other manufacturers, the Chinese designs have several QC issues, in addition to being unreliable and overall large pieces of 💩.
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It's all fun and games until you realize they're doing this with infrastructure as well. They try to copy GE and European power plant designs, then sell them to African nations. A year or two after construction they're almost entirely out of commission. These are billions of dollars of equipment that impact millions of people.

I have zero patience for China after actually seeing what they do outside their country, as if what they do to people inside it wasn't bad enough.
 
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These are not Chinese (well, they can be), but this is russia trying to draw the US into conflict, just like they did at the start of their war. It won't work. You dug your own hole russia. Lie in it.
 
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**** China. They are poor and rely on stealing. I love, and respect china's monks, but we are far beyond that. This is an autocracy issue. autocracy doesn't work.
 
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Sen. Kennedy Dishes on Info They Got in Briefing on Those 'Objects' – RedState

“Many people, intentionally or otherwise, have been given the impression that [until] a couple weeks ago, our skies were clear, and then all of a sudden we have spy balloons and other unidentified flying objects raining down on us like confetti,” Kennedy said. “That’s not accurate. These objects have been flying over us for years, many years.” He said, “They’ve known about them” meaning I guess whoever briefed them indicated they knew, but that except for the Chinese spy balloon, they didn’t know what they were. “What’s different about the last two weeks is that we started shooting them down,” he exclaimed.
 
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White House tells governors 'thousands' of objects in the skies aren't aliens, could be used car lot balloons
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White House Homeland Security Adviser Liz Sherwood-Randall told governors on the half-hour call. "I mean it's funny, but it's not funny, because people are communicating this on platforms that are widely viewed, and it's creating fear that is unnecessary."

"It's true that there are things that are being identified that don't resemble anything else, that largely don't present a threat, and we have to figure out what to do about them. And it turns out, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of them."

fear is being created because the government is being opaque about why they chose to shoot down 4 such objects in one week if there are hundreds or thousands of them up there.

typical government - point the finger at the citizenry
 
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BreatheUT said:
If the US officials really wanted this to stay quiet and keep monitoring they would not have let this thing fly over the continental United States so everyone knows about it.
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ButchPlz said:
Bingo.

I've seen military folks I know all over LinkedIn trying to say it's not our right to know secret operations, they likely knew it was there and let it fly over sites because those sites were "protected" from spying eyes, etc. It's a major cope.
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That is not how counterintelligence works.
 
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NORAD announcing air defense exercises over British Columbia, Washington state, off the coast of North Carolina, north of Key West, and west of Everglades National Park.
 
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NORAD announcing air defense exercises over British Columbia, Washington state, off the coast of North Carolina, north of Key West, and west of Everglades National Park.
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My impression is that we often do this after any sort of incursion or fly by scenario, or really anything of the like. And we publicize that we are doing it so our potential adversaries know that we know what they are up to.
 
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BartW said:
Yeah, it’s popped up in the news here and there. I remember reading an in-depth piece on wired I think a year or two ago but can’t find it. Our military has had similar projects at least as far back as Palladium in the early Cold War. UAPs have probably become more of a problem in recent years with increasingly cheap drone technology.

It seems these objects are mostly probing radar defenses. They’re different sizes, shapes, speed, altitudes, etc. We can’t just shoot them all down, because that will still give the enemy the data they seek. So we have to be selective about when and where we shoot them, try and feed them false information, etc. I’m sure it’s an intelligence dance of sorts that’s gone on for a long time.

I think PKT gave the obvious answer to my question. The reason it’s a big deal now is because China’s yuge balloon could be spotted with the naked eye, made the news, and went viral. It was sort of public knowledge before but now it’s front-page news so officials have to address it. But that begs the follow up question: why was that balloon so big and at such low altitude that it could be spotted? That’s not an effective way to spy or test radar capabilities. Was it a technical error? Or is it a troll of sorts?
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Given that balloons are more risky than high-tech satellites, there must be some worthwhile tradeoffs in the Chinese's minds. The Chinese could have had these goals in mind:

1) Test our capacity to detect these balloons in real time. Satellites and radar have the technological ability, but capability does not equal proficiency. Think software filters used to process incoming radar data to efficiently highlight expected threats. In years past, balloons were not our prime targeting calibration standard.
2) Test our response to air incursions.
3) SIGINT; both collection and jamming capabilities.
4) Ground penetrating image technology. Satellites are great for surface imaging, but the cool stuff is underground or under hangers.
5) MASINT over sensitive US military instillations might reveal hidden sensitive areas/objects. They can use the rest of their intelligence apparatus to investigate those areas once identified.
6) Visuals imaging. Satellites are great for this and much lower risk. However, satellites are predictable and allow for the US to move sensitive objects when they are not flying overhead. Only being 60K feet away also helps.

From a counterintelligence perspective, the US could have had these goals in mind:

1) Muddy the waters for the Chinese on our radar and satellite technology.
2) Muddy the waters for the Chinese our response to air incursions. Normally, it is the Russians testing from their angle of attack.
3) SIGINT; collection and jamming capabilities for both sides. From our side, Collection from the balloon to their satellite and subsequent encryption methods/hacking potential. Both collecting and jamming capabilities can increase with a known target coming across land versus just in an aircraft/satellite. From their side, their methods, targets, and effectiveness/our ability to detect their attempts.
4) Honeypotting. With a known or likely flight path, our military/intelligence agencies can set up fake objects to throw off the Chinese analysts. Alternatively, we could flash deterrence technology in a controlled manner (on our terms).
5) Gain insight into what areas/installations within the US they prioritize for intelligence collection.

Regardless, assuming the Chinese were spying and the US was running a counterintelligence operation, the missions on both sides became compromised once the balloon was spotted by the general public. Such is the nature of the intelligence cat and mouse games.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, if balloons are making some of you clowns pizz in the bed, maybe you need to be one of the first in line to be screaming for peace and diplomacy..diplomacy... especially now that we see that can't easily bring down weather balloons, much less missiles or planes.
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Lol...the excitement level for the trust in Milley and Austin was running high for a short time. Whatever happened to skepticism? We know these fools make stuff up. They are seeing ghosts right now and feel embarrassed for the continental Chinese surveillance which makes them more dangerous.
 
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